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The value of the dollar is going to take a massive hit (as are other currencies) once is all said and done with the transition to stable coins. aka - collapse.

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But here's the catch - your frame of reference is gold. I understand that and don't fault you for it at all.

The reality though is that stablecoins have nothing to do with trying to prop USD up against gold. Stablecoin is a fiat play in a fiat world.

All fiats will fall vs gold. The USD will rise vs all other fiats, for a period of time unknown to any of us. Stablecoin is not a store of wealth, doesn't claim to be. It's a way for the USD to further its control of global commerce and draw additional foreign capital into the US. For all of our internal sense of justice that somehow the US should be punished for what they've done to sound money - we're all extremely lucky to be in the situation we are versus the rest of the world.

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If that were completely true they wouldn't be voting for entitlement spending. They have decided that they want the government to put food on their table rather than work for it. Not all but a significant number. Enough that it is election proof.

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I am with you on entitlement spending. We can discuss which are okay and which are not but in general, I agree.

However, we vote for people, we don't vote on entitlement spending. Democracy is not fool-proof, no system is. Eventually people find flaws they can exploit in any system. Yes, capitalism can also be exploited and it is happening in the US on a large scale right now. But this board pretend it is not, and beat up socialism as evil (which it is).

Gallon whole milk $2.12.

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HASSETT: SHUTDOWN HIT ECONOMY HARDER THAN EXPECTED

Kevin Hassett said Friday that the government shutdown hurt the economy “much worse than expected” and may have caused lasting damage to federal operations. He noted the impact will likely show up in fourth-quarter GDP data but…

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) November 7, 2025

Don't know why people celebrate government shutdowns.

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The fact that the government employs so many people that it can have "lasting damage" on the economy when it shuts down is a huge problem.

The largest employer in the world is the US Federal Government. Let that sink in.

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1936 was an important inflection point as FDR entered his second term. His New Deal was failing but his Brain Trust continued to pursue the belief that Mamdani voiced in his victory speech, "no problem to big or to small for government to fix it," Amit Schlaes points out in The Forgotten Man that the federal budget in 1936 was the first time that the size of the federal government exceeded the size of the 48 state governments. Since then the growth of the federal government has been like a metastatic malignancy intent on killing the host.

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I had to learn on Texags that only whole milk (which is very fatty) is considered real milk.

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Whole is like 4 to 5%, not overly "fatty" vs 1 and 2%.

And it's not expensive.

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but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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Democrats have us locked down.

End of story.

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Only one party voted not to keep the government open and that clean bill had no pork added to it. Ask the Democrats why they are doing this to Americans.

Maybe I'm in a bad mood but the Republicans keep voting to stop this shutdown. The Dems are using the American people as political pawns.

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True. Unless you get that organic bull**** .

Dairy, in general, is one of the few things I've seen recently go down.

Hill Country Fare cheese slices, which I do buy, are down to $1.82 for a pack, as of about an hour ago at HEB. Down from $1.98 recently and $2.28 as a "high" during Biden and Trump, this year.

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The value of the dollar is going to take a massive hit (as are other currencies) once is all said and done with the transition to stable coins. aka - collapse.

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But here's the catch - your frame of reference is gold. I understand that and don't fault you for it at all.

The reality though is that stablecoins have nothing to do with trying to prop USD up against gold. Stablecoin is a fiat play in a fiat world.

All fiats will fall vs gold. The USD will rise vs all other fiats, for a period of time unknown to any of us. Stablecoin is not a store of wealth, doesn't claim to be. It's a way for the USD to further its control of global commerce and draw additional foreign capital into the US. For all of our internal sense of justice that somehow the US should be punished for what they've done to sound money - we're all extremely lucky to be in the situation we are versus the rest of the world.

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Wow guys, this is some high level conversation that deserves its own thread. The bold reinforces my opinion that the USD is just the "prettiest pig in the pageant." I believe that's why we haven't lost reserve status yet.

I agree with your take on gold. Just a few years ago people were criticizing me for adding to my holdings when it was at an all time high. And a decade before that I was getting the same criticism. I told them I've never seen a more certain bet than this and I used to play poker for a living. The reason people can't see the obvious here is because they view gold incorrectly…as an investment.

I see gold as nothing more than a preserver of purchasing power. So I use it as a sort of savings account rather than holding dollars that deteriorate like wet toilet paper. It is the most stable measuring stick we can use to consider economic progress. How many ounces of gold does it take to purchase a house, car, etc? If you look at gold purchasing power instead of USD, everything has gotten less expensive. Just like economic progress would predict. As the saying goes, "an ounce of gold would buy you a very fine suit (toga) in the Roman Empire, and an ounce of gold will buy you a fine suit today."

IMO, if you distill down the majority of problems facing America, those problems can be traced back to the destruction of our currency.

Next up: Free Range Eggs



What is the maximum, roaming distance of a typical egg?

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The federal government has been shut down for 37 days. Inflation continues to rise. I paid nearly $8.00 for a gallon of milk today. Sure it was organic, but that's my choice - I work for my money - and it was around $5.00 just a few years ago.

We give our taxpayer money to other countries. Our debt is over $38,000,000,000,000. The dollar is ***** Our elected representatives no longer represent us. They represent corporations and foreign countries through lobbyists.

They use inflation to prop up the stock market. They keep lowering the prime rate. In order to set this thing straight, the rate should probably be in the mid to high 20 percent range. But they know if they address inflation the stock market will collapse and the whole house of cards tumbles.

We were told we would get accountability for Epstein, JFK and MLK. We got nothing.

They've flooded our nation with the third world.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today, but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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"Our plan is working perfectly" - democrats

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but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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Democrats have us locked down.

End of story.

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They locked out the Republicans to pass the law, which included the government paying the lion's share of it, so that it wasn't clear to the American people how much it cost. Now they've walked out to keep from having to realize how the taxpayer has propped up this nuisance of a program.

The dollar-costs of this program need to be on billboards, park benches, op-ed's, and for certain, ads within social media streams. People need to know how much the unaffordable care act has always been costing us since the crooks crammed it into existence.

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That's been true forever. Things get more expensive. They aren't getting more expensive at the same rate they were during the Biden disaster. I retired 18 months ago so I'm more aware of what things cost and I'm not seeing things I need to buy that catch my attention because of price increases.

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Bull****

Maybe not everything, but in my trips to HEB (for example), I've seen a LOT of things jump significantly since Trump took office this past January.

Hill Country Fare 2 liters, for example, were $1.00 before Trump ****ed up the COVID response and started us down the inflationary spiral that Biden turned to eleventy. Over those 3 yrs or so, they went up to $1.28 IIRC and stuck there a while. I just noticed that, even though I don't buy them, they're eye-level for me and have gone way up to $1.78.

I've seen similar since Trump took office.

I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

Concentrate on the U.S.

**** Syria. **** Israel. F e'rybody else. We need to fix us.

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Nothing has significantly gone up since Trump took office in 2025. The fact that you have to go back to 2020 is a clear sign that your TDS has made you desperate for anything.

Only 3 years to go before Trump is out of office. You will survive, I promise.

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I don't know what to tell you, brother. It was HEB and the price was the price.

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You don't need to tell me anything. Let your wife do the shopping for you as it seems you suck at it.

Inflation is nowhere near what it was under Biden's handlers. And even with the tariffs Trump has put on other countries.

TRUMP: INFLATION IS AT A PERFECT NUMBER

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) November 7, 2025

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The federal government has been shut down for 37 days. Inflation continues to rise. I paid nearly $8.00 for a gallon of milk today. Sure it was organic, but that's my choice - I work for my money - and it was around $5.00 just a few years ago.

We give our taxpayer money to other countries. Our debt is over $38,000,000,000,000. The dollar is ***** Our elected representatives no longer represent us. They represent corporations and foreign countries through lobbyists.

They use inflation to prop up the stock market. They keep lowering the prime rate. In order to set this thing straight, the rate should probably be in the mid to high 20 percent range. But they know if they address inflation the stock market will collapse and the whole house of cards tumbles.

We were told we would get accountability for Epstein, JFK and MLK. We got nothing.

They've flooded our nation with the third world.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today, but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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1. Government shutdown - good thing
2. Price of milk compared to "couple of years". LOL, inflation has gone down dramatically since then.
3. Taxpayer money to other countries, sure. Duh. It's why we are the world power. But we are giving much less than we were in Jan of this year.
4. Debt over $36 T. Good think we have a President trying to reduce it.
5. Prime rate 20%? LMAO!!! Don't need that to address inflation. It's very low now, thanks to Trump.
6. Epstein files are not released. At least you got one right
7. Flooded our nation with third world? LOL, good thing Trump was elected.

Sounds to me you must love Trump, as he's fixed almost everything on your "cry about" list but the Epstein files.

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If that were completely true they wouldn't be voting for entitlement spending. They have decided that they want the government to put food on their table rather than work for it. Not all but a significant number. Enough that it is election proof.

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I am with you on entitlement spending. We can discuss which are okay and which are not but in general, I agree.

However, we vote for people, we don't vote on entitlement spending. Democracy is not fool-proof, no system is. Eventually people find flaws they can exploit in any system. Yes, capitalism can also be exploited and it is happening in the US on a large scale right now. But this board pretend it is not, and beat up socialism as evil (which it is).

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I understand that and agree that there are evils associated with crony capitalism.

But I think the entitlement spending as slide towards socialism is linked to the behavior of corps, business, and high earners. They are going to try to maximize profits to offset the azz raping we are taking in taxation to fund handouts.

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Next up: Free Range Eggs



What is the maximum, roaming distance of a typical egg?

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As far as the egg can roll without being stopped

Inflation is down! It's solved everyone! POTUS said so today.

Republicans "why won't the dems trust the republicans promise to vote on subsidies later"



But on the other side, Johnson says prices on groceries are just going to go up. Always have, always will. I don't think this admin has any of their **** together.

Grocery prices have jumped up, and there's no relief in sight

LOL, found this.

GROCERY PRICES UP 30% since 2020!!! OH NOS

But, consider the following from the data in the article...

From Feb 20 - Jan '21 - up 3% - Trump in office
From Jan 21 - Jan 24 - up 24% - Biden in office
From Jan 24 to Aug 25 - up 2% - Trump in office

Looks like Trump has fixed yet another Biden problem!!

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I had to learn on Texags that only whole milk (which is very fatty) is considered real milk.

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Whole is like 4 to 5%, not overly "fatty" vs 1 and 2%.

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Whole milk is a little over 3 times more fatty than 1%. For instance, 1 cup of whole milk is 8g fat with 8g protein where most 1% milk is only 2.5g fat with 9g protein. That's 88 more grams of fat per gallon.

If you don't drink much milk, it's no big deal. I go through about 3 gallons a week so that's a big difference.

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The federal government has been shut down for 37 days. Inflation continues to rise. I paid nearly $8.00 for a gallon of milk today. Sure it was organic, but that's my choice - I work for my money - and it was around $5.00 just a few years ago.

We give our taxpayer money to other countries. Our debt is over $38,000,000,000,000. The dollar is ***** Our elected representatives no longer represent us. They represent corporations and foreign countries through lobbyists.

They use inflation to prop up the stock market. They keep lowering the prime rate. In order to set this thing straight, the rate should probably be in the mid to high 20 percent range. But they know if they address inflation the stock market will collapse and the whole house of cards tumbles.

We were told we would get accountability for Epstein, JFK and MLK. We got nothing.

They've flooded our nation with the third world.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today, but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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1. Government shutdown - good thing
2. Price of milk compared to "couple of years". LOL, inflation has gone down dramatically since then.
3. Taxpayer money to other countries, sure. Duh. It's why we are the world power. But we are giving much less than we were in Jan of this year.
4. Debt over $36 T. Good think we have a President trying to reduce it.
5. Prime rate 20%? LMAO!!! Don't need that to address inflation. It's very low now, thanks to Trump.
6. Epstein files are not released. At least you got one right
7. Flooded our nation with third world? LOL, good thing Trump was elected.

Sounds to me you must love Trump, as he's fixed almost everything on your "cry about" list but the Epstein files.

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Well, I did vote for him 3 times. So...

The blame starts at the top

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Nothing has significantly gone up since Trump took office in 2025. The fact that you have to go back to 2020 is a clear sign that your TDS has made you desperate for anything.

Only 3 years to go before Trump is out of office. You will survive, I promise.

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What are you talking about? Everything has gone up and will continue to do so until we get massive reform (cuts) to government. Trump has proven he will not make those meaningful cuts so inflation will continue on. Prices and cost of living should go down over time. This is the one issue I just can't understand. How do people not realize that with technology and progress, things should get LESS expensive?

Is Trump the lesser of two evils? Sure, but that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. We go off the cliff at 70mph instead of 100 like with Kamala…Excuse me if I don't see the difference.

I like a lot of what trump is doing. But evrything I see is just treating the symptoms rather than the underlying problem. For example, deporting immigrants rather than reforming entitlements. If new immigrants don't get the welfare handouts, we could have relatively open immigration. This shutdown has been fantastic at shedding light on the enormous waste such as SNAP. And he has said he will restore those benefits as soon as he gets what he wants. We need a leader that will simply abolish them.

Science Denier said:

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Grocery prices have jumped up, and there's no relief in sight

LOL, found this.

GROCERY PRICES UP 30% since 2020!!! OH NOS

But, consider the following from the data in the article...

From Feb 20 - Jan '21 - up 3% - Trump in office
From Jan 21 - Jan 24 - up 24% - Biden in office
From Jan 24 to Aug 25 - up 2% - Trump in office

Looks like Trump has fixed yet another Biden problem!!

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bUt iT wAs CaLlEd ThE InFlAtIoN rEdUcTiOn AcT!

OP are you lying? Trump a few hours ago:

Trump: "The reason I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows it's far less expensive under Trump than it was under Sleepy Joe Biden and the prices are way down."

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What are you talking about? Everything has gone up and will continue to do so until we get massive reform (cuts) to government.

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I'm talking about the low inflation rate we are now seeing. Note I didn't say things are not going up. I said significantly up. Like the massive inflation we saw under Biden.

And gasoline had not gone up. It's gone down significantly. And that is a rather large decrease for most American's pocketbooks.

So you are just flat wrong saying everything has gone up.

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BigRobSA said:

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jja79 said:

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That's been true forever. Things get more expensive. They aren't getting more expensive at the same rate they were during the Biden disaster. I retired 18 months ago so I'm more aware of what things cost and I'm not seeing things I need to buy that catch my attention because of price increases.

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Bull****

Maybe not everything, but in my trips to HEB (for example), I've seen a LOT of things jump significantly since Trump took office this past January.

Hill Country Fare 2 liters, for example, were $1.00 before Trump ****ed up the COVID response and started us down the inflationary spiral that Biden turned to eleventy. Over those 3 yrs or so, they went up to $1.28 IIRC and stuck there a while. I just noticed that, even though I don't buy them, they're eye-level for me and have gone way up to $1.78.

I've seen similar since Trump took office.

I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

Concentrate on the U.S.

**** Syria. **** Israel. F e'rybody else. We need to fix us.

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Nothing has significantly gone up since Trump took office in 2025. The fact that you have to go back to 2020 is a clear sign that your TDS has made you desperate for anything.

Only 3 years to go before Trump is out of office. You will survive, I promise.

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Went back to 2020 for pricing.

This is a college educated board, right?

Figured all the other words let you know that.

And yes, some things (such as my specific example) have gone up a relative **** ton versus pre-47.

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That's been true forever. Things get more expensive. They aren't getting more expensive at the same rate they were during the Biden disaster. I retired 18 months ago so I'm more aware of what things cost and I'm not seeing things I need to buy that catch my attention because of price increases.

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Bull****

Maybe not everything, but in my trips to HEB (for example), I've seen a LOT of things jump significantly since Trump took office this past January.

Hill Country Fare 2 liters, for example, were $1.00 before Trump ****ed up the COVID response and started us down the inflationary spiral that Biden turned to eleventy. Over those 3 yrs or so, they went up to $1.28 IIRC and stuck there a while. I just noticed that, even though I don't buy them, they're eye-level for me and have gone way up to $1.78.

I've seen similar since Trump took office.

I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

Concentrate on the U.S.

**** Syria. **** Israel. F e'rybody else. We need to fix us.

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Nothing has significantly gone up since Trump took office in 2025. The fact that you have to go back to 2020 is a clear sign that your TDS has made you desperate for anything.

Only 3 years to go before Trump is out of office. You will survive, I promise.

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Went back to 2020 for pricing.

This is a college educated board, right?

Figured all the other words let you know that.

And yes, some things (such as my specific example) have gone up a relative **** ton versus pre-47.

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I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

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Most college educated folks would not relate that to 2020. Things still increasing means today. Not 5 years ago.

Oh, and gas today is cheaper than it has been in years. But BigRob says it "should be" cheaper. LMAO

Science Denier said:

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I'm talking about the low inflation rate we are now seeing. Note I didn't say things are not going up. I said significantly up. Like the massive inflation we saw under Biden.

And gasoline had not gone up. It's gone down significantly. And that is a rather large decrease for most American's pocketbooks.

So you are just flat wrong saying everything has gone up.

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According to whom? The govt? I don't believe a single number from a Biden or trump administration. I believe my lying eyes. A slightly upper-class home in my neighborhood is north of $1-1.2m and that's on the entry level. Nothing exorbitant, just what you would consider typical upper middle class. That is completely unaffordable to the vast majority of Americans. Considering that, I'm very nervous about my real estate investments.

Sure we can cherry-pick specific items that have gone down like gasoline, but the relevant issue is the overall cost of living. That metric is getting worse no matter what party is in charge. And that dynamic has been going on for decades. My point is that it doesn't seem to matter who is in the driver's seat. Team red or team blue is driving us straight off the cliff. To place blame on one side or the other is irrelevant to me. It's the system as a whole that is driving us to ruin.

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jja79 said:

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That's been true forever. Things get more expensive. They aren't getting more expensive at the same rate they were during the Biden disaster. I retired 18 months ago so I'm more aware of what things cost and I'm not seeing things I need to buy that catch my attention because of price increases.

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Bull****

Maybe not everything, but in my trips to HEB (for example), I've seen a LOT of things jump significantly since Trump took office this past January.

Hill Country Fare 2 liters, for example, were $1.00 before Trump ****ed up the COVID response and started us down the inflationary spiral that Biden turned to eleventy. Over those 3 yrs or so, they went up to $1.28 IIRC and stuck there a while. I just noticed that, even though I don't buy them, they're eye-level for me and have gone way up to $1.78.

I've seen similar since Trump took office.

I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

Concentrate on the U.S.

**** Syria. **** Israel. F e'rybody else. We need to fix us.

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Nothing has significantly gone up since Trump took office in 2025. The fact that you have to go back to 2020 is a clear sign that your TDS has made you desperate for anything.

Only 3 years to go before Trump is out of office. You will survive, I promise.

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Went back to 2020 for pricing.

This is a college educated board, right?

Figured all the other words let you know that.

And yes, some things (such as my specific example) have gone up a relative **** ton versus pre-47.

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I don't trust the govt CPI numbers, I do trust my eyes. ****'s STILL increasing at a rapidass rate. As it will since he's done jack and **** about it with all of his idiotic tariff bull***** Gas is still higher than it should be if we really went "HAM" on domestic drilling.

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Most college educated folks would not relate that to 2020. Things still increasing means today. Not 5 years ago.

Oh, and gas today is cheaper than it has been in years. But BigRob says it "should be" cheaper. LMAO

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Again...all the other words.

JFC

Earlier this year....2025....it was up to $1.28 and now ...also 2025 but following linear time, later in the same year, is $1.78.

Up 50 cents.

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OP are you lying? Trump a few hours ago:

Trump: "The reason I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows it's far less expensive under Trump than it was under Sleepy Joe Biden and the prices are way down."

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Well, even according to CNN Fact Checking (LMAO), Communist News Network

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Sorry, but even according to CNN, there has been no significant increase in groceries.

Of course, they leave out the fact that wages are up 3% to 4%, much higher than grocery pricing.

So, one could say the ACTUAL COST to families in relation to income has come way down.

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but this whole thing is looking like a big ****ing joke on the American people.

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Democrats have us locked down.

End of story.

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This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's a DC issue. It's a corruption issue. Corruption to their very fiber.

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No it is a Democrat issue resulting from the Biden lock down and destruction of supply chains. It is a Democrat corruption issue sending money, through USAID, to come back to their pockets. It is a Democrat issue because of the cost of illegal aliens allowed to run rampant in our country. Don't get me wrong, I agree there are corrupt Republicans and Neocons who have no desire to put America first, however they are a much better options than the Democrat party taking us down the road to communism.

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Science Denier said:

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I'm talking about the low inflation rate we are now seeing. Note I didn't say things are not going up. I said significantly up. Like the massive inflation we saw under Biden.

And gasoline had not gone up. It's gone down significantly. And that is a rather large decrease for most American's pocketbooks.

So you are just flat wrong saying everything has gone up.

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According to whom? The govt? I don't believe a single number from a Biden or trump administration. I believe my lying eyes. A slightly upper-class home in my neighborhood is north of $1-1.2m and that's on the entry level. Nothing exorbitant, just what you would consider typical upper middle class. That is completely unaffordable to the vast majority of Americans. Considering that, I'm very nervous about my real estate investments.

Sure we can cherry-pick specific items that have gone down like gasoline, but the relevant issue is the overall cost of living. That metric is getting worse no matter what party is in charge. And that dynamic has been going on for decades. My point is that it doesn't seem to matter who is in the driver's seat. Team red or team blue is driving us straight off the cliff. To place blame on one side or the other is irrelevant to me. It's the system as a whole that is driving us to ruin.

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According to the CNN fact checker trying to make Trump look bad. Even their stats show very low inflation on food prices.