Canada should be a u.s. territory.

A whole page on an Agricultural and Mechanical message board and only a single comment about including Saskatchewan on this trade?

Canada allows signature collection for an Alberta independence referendum

Alberta’s Elections Commission has approved an initiative to hold a referendum on the province’s secession from Canada, clearing the way for independence supporters to begin collecting signatures.

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— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) December 23, 2025

Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

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Confused. What do you mean is the "one answer"?

I think Trump pivots on the additional states rhetoric. I think it opens up too much discussion on DC, Puerto Rico, etc statehood.

Maybe setup some long term treaty / agreement to recognize and trade with them without taking them on as a "dependent".

Just scattershootin. He's definitely legacy building so no telling what he does or attempts.

flown-the-coop said:

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I think Trump pivots on the additional states rhetoric. I think it opens up too much discussion on DC, Puerto Rico, etc statehood.

Maybe setup some long term treaty / agreement to recognize and trade with them without taking them on as a "dependent".

Just scattershootin. He's definitely legacy building so no telling what he does or attempts.

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You mean as a territory? Hmm. Just to think that through.

Or maybe just a protectorate. Like Cuba was in the first few decades of 1900's.

Territory implies US sovereign land which gets trickier.

I agree with your earlier take that statehood is a pretty big reach.

aggiehawg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

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Confused. What do you mean is the "one answer"?

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If Alberta asks to become a state, he's going to do it, there's no reality where he doesn't.

This is the guy who's jonesing for an island where the people actively don't want him.

If not a state than maybe a Compact of Free Association like we have with the Marshall Islands.

K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

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Confused. What do you mean is the "one answer"?

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If Alberta asks to become a state, he's going to do it, there's no reality where he doesn't.

This is the guy who's jonesing for an island where the people actively don't want him.

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Uhmm. Not the way that works. So think it through.Still c hwo you got there? Confused

aggiehawg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

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Confused. What do you mean is the "one answer"?

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If Alberta asks to become a state, he's going to do it, there's no reality where he doesn't.

This is the guy who's jonesing for an island where the people actively don't want him.

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Uhmm. Not the way that works. So think it through.Still c hwo you got there? Confused

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Alright…maybe let's start with establishing assumptions;

Do you believe that Trump would want Alberta as a state?

K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Even if they can secede by vote, becoming a US state is another matter, altogether.

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If this happens under Trumps watch…there is only one answer.

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Confused. What do you mean is the "one answer"?

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If Alberta asks to become a state, he's going to do it, there's no reality where he doesn't.

This is the guy who's jonesing for an island where the people actively don't want him.

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What does that have to do with a province that would have presumably voted to join the US?

Ferg said:

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If not a state than maybe a Compact of Free Association like we have with the Marshall Islands.

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And Micronesia and Palau

As one of the leading experts on f16 for all things Trump, I think Trump is actually agnostic on whether Alberta becomes a state. And once the consequences and process have been explained, he likely will be less than favorable on it.

But what he wants is somewhat irrelevant as the process requires the people of Alberta to want it, they then need to draft a constitution and otherwise prepare themselves, then its the proverbial act of Congress to admit a new state.

Even for a protectorate, that likely involves a treaty, POTUS and the "advice and consent of the Senate".

Tl;dr doesn't matter what Trump wants individually, though I think he really does not have a strong preference on Alberta statehood.

Alberta and PR. 52 states, balance kept, more or less. Takes a threat of unbalancing the senate off the table. Yeah, not likely to ever happen but interesting to think aboot.

What is the actual likelihood this passes?

Are you certain Alberta would be reliably red? I know they're clearly conservative compared to the rest of Canada, but how does that translate to American politics? They're used to a lot more government involvement and "support" in their every day lives. I don't know and am genuinely curious. PR would undoubtedly vote blue.

Good question. Canadian red likely a different shade than MAGA red.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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What is the actual likelihood this passes?

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And if it does, will Canada push back and not recognize it?

Canadian government will never allow them to separate.

Colonel Kurtz said:

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Canadian government will never allow them to separate.

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If they voted on it and followed all the right laws; could the US intervene and tell Canada ; "Hey hoser... you can't say no; we have their backs..."

It would just trigger a requirement for Ottawa to negotiate with the state(s) that voted to leave. That imperative sounds…pretty weak, imho, compared to wording such as 'shall not be infringed.' A little news;

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WASHINGTON, D.C. Could they really break up Canada?

In recent months and as recently as last week separatists have been wooing the Trump administration for support for an independent Alberta. They plan to continue those discussions with the U.S. State Department, and one Alberta Republican even plans to take the campaign further south, to Latin America, to rustle up support for the cause. The idea is to have friends with open chequebooks if (they say "when") their efforts lead to a "Yes" vote.

Back home, the bid for Alberta independence saw a victory on Monday that could soon lead to a referendum: Elections Alberta approved a referendum question proposed by the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP). Following months of legal wrangling over the APP question's constitutionality a fight rendered moot by the provincial government's passage of Bill 14, which greenlights citizen initiatives despite questions of constitutionality it has won a chance to gather signatures for a potential referendum.

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It sounds like the Trump administration is basically staying out of this (which is probably good). The referendum petition is moving forward even though it has been deemed to be violative of the Indians ('first nations') rights. Frankly, I bet they get enough signatures to hold a referendum, but would be shocked if more than a third vote in favor of separation.