Traditional gender roles and a happy marriage.

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YouBet said:

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David_Puddy said:

I like most of it but a big L-O-f'ing-L at her rule 6. So she doesn't let her husband go meet one of his buddies at a bar to watch a college football or an NFL game without her? Yeah, no thanks. I'm not married yet, but 0 of my buddies would be married if their wife had that as one of their rules. Males and females get hit on literally everywhere - grocery store, the gym, the airport, a sporting event, etc. If you don't trust your spouse to be out at a bar watching a game with a buddy, then you shouldn't be married.


I interpreted it differently. She said clubbing, not a beer with the guys to watch a football game. I think there's a huge difference.


That is a little different. I can't imagine a grown man above 35 or so that would actually want to go clubbing, anyway. One of the levels of hell for me is a loud dance club.


All the 21-25 years olds are flocking to the dad bod 40 year olds anyway… lol. I wouldn't even know how to interact with them.
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infinity ag said:

Urban Ag said:

Rubicante said:

I don't understand what the big deal is about opposite sex friends. I usually work late so my wife ends up having dinner with opposite sex friends at least 3 times a week.

The opposite sex friends are either gay or they want to **** your wife.



This.

On a related note, there are some men who are very very gay. As in how they talk, walk, dress and move their hands and facial expressions. Very girlish. For us straight men, it is amusing. How do women feel about such men? I am guessing no sexual tension at all (no threat that he wants to bang you). Do women even know that this guy is different? Do women feel that he is just "one of the girls"?
At A&M there was a male classmate who was like this. We used to find his behavior odd, but he was quite popular with the ladies.

At a place I worked at some years ago, there was a dude who would get super emotional when he made a suggestion and I didn't accept it for my product. He would take it so personally. That is when he would whip out the gay hand movements. I looked him up to investigate and yes, his Linkedin showed he was member of many LGBTQ groups. He was more emotional than any woman I knew.

To the guy who let's his wife hang out with other dudes 3 nights a week, they clearly want to bang her and are waiting for a chance when she fights with our friend and is "vulnerable".

You're about 40 years behind on this one.

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BrazosDog02 said:

David_Puddy said:

I like most of it but a big L-O-f'ing-L at her rule 6. So she doesn't let her husband go meet one of his buddies at a bar to watch a college football or an NFL game without her? Yeah, no thanks. I'm not married yet, but 0 of my buddies would be married if their wife had that as one of their rules. Males and females get hit on literally everywhere - grocery store, the gym, the airport, a sporting event, etc. If you don't trust your spouse to be out at a bar watching a game with a buddy, then you shouldn't be married.

She's right. But she isn't talking about hanging out with your friends at the bar. She is talking about 'single life' stuff. Either way, if you are going to the bar every day with your friends, or staring at eye candy, then you should remain single or cease the behavior and be respectful of the woman you married. It's pretty easy and clear cut to me and anyone that is married in a healthy relationship knows exactly what she was saying.


She says no bars or clubs without her. She didn't indicate how many times. Seems like their "rule" would mean 0 times, which is incredibly stupid.
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Here is how my wife and I handle the "He has the final say"

I dont go around mandating anything or making major decisions without her input. My wife is brilliant and logical, so that would be stupid on my part. Even if she wasn't, who doesn't want harmony?

However, I feel God designed the head of the house to be the man for 2 reasons.

1. You can't have two bosses. It never works

2. Someone has to be accountable and men are better wired for mistakes. I screw up all of the time and still think I'm hot stuff. I'm wired that way. When we make a tough decision together (we almost always agree by the end of the converstion), iI know it's my job to make the ultimate decision and take the blame if things go bad. There is no, "well it was your idea" to my wife. I'm the head, it's my job to take responsibility for OUR decisions and not let her hold on to baggage and guilt when the wrong decision was made. Women are wired to try to hold that and get handicapped by it.
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jeremy said:

Here is how my wife and I handle the "He has the final say"

I dont go around mandating anything or making major decisions without her input. My wife is brilliant and logical, so that would be stupid on my part. Even if she wasn't, who doesn't want harmony?

However, I feel God designed the head of the house to be the man for 2 reasons.

1. You can't have two bosses. It never works

2. Someone has to be accountable and men are better wired for mistakes. I screw up all of the time and still think I'm hot stuff. I'm wired that way. When we make a tough decision together (we almost always agree by the end of the converstion), iI know it's my job to make the ultimate decision and take the blame if things go bad. There is no, "well it was your idea" to my wife. I'm the head, it's my job to take responsibility for OUR decisions and not let her hold on to baggage and guilt when the wrong decision was made. Women are wired to try to hold that and get handicapped by it.

Well said. Men make for good military commanders and company executives for much the same reasons.
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Proposition Joe said:

I'm not sure which is more pathetic - the obvious pandering tiktok account or the other account that just leeches that account's content.

And lol at infinity ag handling the finances. It literally took him 6 months and three dozen TexAgs posts to buy his wife a car.


I bought her a 60k car AND paid for it in cash, no debt.
If you can beat that, then welcome to the club.

And it took me longer than it needed to because I was looking for an exact type of car without any compromises. And I got busy with other stuff also. It was a gift for a milestone anniv so why go short? I finally did get what I wanted when it came on the market and I pulled the trigger. That car sold on Day 1!

I am not someone who makes impulsive purchases and stupid salesmen cannot fool me with their prattle.

Now my 2014 BMW is giving me some worries, that is my project for next year. Not sure what to buy. Hit me up with ideas if you can.
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CrackerJackAg said:

Look, I gotta go.

To all the people upset talking about respecting your spouse and being a good husband I'm sorry.

I reflected on it and went to chat with Grok about it to try and better understand.

Apparently if you have been *******ed (khu-cold-id for those curious how to say it. Not bypassing a filter here) and humiliated by a woman it may cause you to lash out at people whom are happy in their relationships.

Apparently the strong reactions can be a way for a man who's been in that situation to try and regain some dignity and their self respect and voice.

This isn't a "reality" I was aware of and I feel awful for you.

If this isn't you then I'm not talking about you. It's not personal to anyone in this site.

If it is you then feel free to comment. I'll pray for you. Stay strong you will get through it.


Okay I'm taking the bait lmao

Holy **** you're something else. No wonder you worry about your wife getting tired of your ***** I hope you don't do this backhanded psychology crap with her.

You made an over the top post attacking a guy for pointing out ****ty female behavior. There was no need to white knight but you kept digging. Now you want to call anyone who called you out a ****?

You want to psychoanalyse? Cuz the snarky, fake, holier than thou responses are not something masculine men do in response to criticism. You're projecting insecurities all over the place

"I hope you get the help you need. See, now I'm the nice guy for wishing you well!" GTFO with that man
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Muktheduck said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Look, I gotta go.

To all the people upset talking about respecting your spouse and being a good husband I'm sorry.

I reflected on it and went to chat with Grok about it to try and better understand.

Apparently if you have been *******ed (khu-cold-id for those curious how to say it. Not bypassing a filter here) and humiliated by a woman it may cause you to lash out at people whom are happy in their relationships.

Apparently the strong reactions can be a way for a man who's been in that situation to try and regain some dignity and their self respect and voice.

This isn't a "reality" I was aware of and I feel awful for you.

If this isn't you then I'm not talking about you. It's not personal to anyone in this site.

If it is you then feel free to comment. I'll pray for you. Stay strong you will get through it.


Okay I'm taking the bait lmao

Holy **** you're something else. No wonder you worry about your wife getting tired of your ***** I hope you don't do this backhanded psychology crap with her.

You made an over the top post attacking a guy for pointing out ****ty female behavior. There was no need to white knight but you kept digging. Now you want to call anyone who called you out a ****?

You want to psychoanalyse? Cuz the snarky, fake, holier than thou responses are not something masculine men do in response to criticism. You're projecting insecurities all over the place

"I hope you get the help you need. See, now I'm the nice guy for wishing you well!" GTFO with that man


I appreciate that. Love that there are fellow well wishers trying to serve up joy unto the world and Texags ;-)

I can take the ribbing and not get offended or have insecurities. Nobody on this planet could convince me that my wife and I are not fantastic.

I'm lucky and I probably shouldn't jack with people who haven't had a good go of it just for ****s and giggles.

At a point though if you can't tell I'm ****ing with you…
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David_Puddy said:

I like most of it but a big L-O-f'ing-L at her rule 6. So she doesn't let her husband go meet one of his buddies at a bar to watch a college football or an NFL game without her? Yeah, no thanks. I'm not married yet, but 0 of my buddies would be married if their wife had that as one of their rules. Males and females get hit on literally everywhere - grocery store, the gym, the airport, a sporting event, etc. If you don't trust your spouse to be out at a bar watching a game with a buddy, then you shouldn't be married.

I agree with you. I like most of the rules, but I hate rule No. 6. I am not married yet either, but I will not marry a future girlfriend if she tells me that I cannot join a watch party for a college football, NFL game, or other sports without her.
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I showed one of this woman's clips to my wife (who is a high level corporate executive alpha wife type) a few months back…

it was a video where she was giving this happy marriage tip to the wives:


"Wives, your job is to make you man's d*** hard, not make his life hard"

And I thought that was great advice and so forwarded it to my alpha wife and she did one of those 'ha ha' fake laughs and lectured me RE that woman had clearly done her YOUTube business marketing research, identified her target demographic, and was making some money every time a hooked male clicked on one of her videos.

And yeah, of course my wife was right.

But I still got a good chuckle about that advice..
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42 and one of my guilty pleasures in life is taking a little gummy or chocolate of some sort and going to a club to see one of my favorite DJs.
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AxelFoley85 said:

42 and one of my guilty pleasures in life is taking a little gummy or chocolate of some sort and going to a club to see one of my favorite DJs.


To each his own! Sounds like torture to me.
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CrackerJackAg said:

schmellba99 said:

CrackerJackAg said:

schmellba99 said:

CrackerJackAg said:

David_Puddy said:

CrackerJackAg said:

infinity ag said:

Mega Lops said:

jeremy said:

If they try to withhold sex, something is terribly wrong.

true story. I couldn't help overhear two women chatting it up at an informal get together one time. One was completely serious about withholding the 'nanny unless her husband didn't do what she wanted when she wanted. She boasted about leaving the house and going to a hotel to wait it out until whatever whim was appeased.

And just so we're clear:




At some point the husband gets sick of the games and takes on a side-chick. Then the wife goes crying to her friends and posts on social media about how men are dogs and where have all the good men gone.


Your post seems like you are very angry and hurt. I'm sorry you've been hurt.

Most dudes aren't good looking enough or rich enough to have a side chick.

Many will cheat (probably get caught/told on when it goes sideways). Having a side chick you can afford is called a mistress.

Your wife can EASILY **** around on you all day with better looking guys and no body is saying a word.

If you are a good husband you are equally worried about whether your wife is sick of your games too.

I'm sorry someone hurt you.




You think that a dude has to be rich or good looking to have a side chick? Did you never see an episode of Cheaters back in the day? Some absolute creatures on that show (both male and female) were out having side conquests. Also when someone is cheating, the person they're cheating with is usually a lot less attractive than their husband or wife.


That's not a side chick. That's easy. No limit to one and dones out there.

The guy said a side chick when he gets tired of the old girl at home. Implying the chick he hangs with when the wife grates in him. Steady kind of thing.

While I generally disagree with infinity on most things, he said nothing in his initial statement that wasn't true.

You are literally arguing over semantics because you think the definition of "side chick" is X while the resto fthe world understands it is a current catch all term for "chick that is not the wife that the husband is banging because his wife won't throw him the dirty leg anymore".

Mistress, side chick, side piece.....whatever. All the same thing.


I get that. I was just clarifying and actually attempting to say I agree more than disagree.

You know…quick written word. Internet forum and lack of context and all.

You did a really shtty job at conveying that point.


Lots of touchy people on this thread. Wonder why that is?

If you think that is touchy, man you have a very warped view of he world.

I call a spade a spade when it is time to call a spade a spade. In this case, the spade was how shtty of a job you did conveying what you claimed to have been conveying.
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Ryan the Temp said:

About to hit 24 years and never wanted a side chick.

But 100% you at least had a few thoughts about some side dick!
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infinity ag said:

To the guy who let's his wife hang out with other dudes 3 nights a week, they clearly want to bang her and are waiting for a chance when she fights with our friend and is "vulnerable".

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schmellba99 said:

Ryan the Temp said:

About to hit 24 years and never wanted a side chick.

But 100% you at least had a few thoughts about some side dick!

I don't have to worry about getting caught looking ... we can look together. Oddly enough, I do tend to get hit on by women at the grocery store.
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Pumpkinhead said:

I showed one of this woman's clips to my wife (who is a high level corporate executive alpha wife type) a few months back…

it was a video where she was giving this happy marriage tip to the wives:


"Wives, your job is to make you man's d*** hard, not make his life hard"

And I thought that was great advice and so forwarded it to my alpha wife and she did one of those 'ha ha' fake laughs and lectured me RE that woman had clearly done her YOUTube business marketing research, identified her target demographic, and was making some money every time a hooked male clicked on one of her videos.

And yeah, of course my wife was right.

But I still got a good chuckle about that advice..


Those two can both be true at the same time.
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That chick doesn't seem like she'd be very fun on a work trip after a few drinks
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Pumpkinhead said:

I showed one of this woman's clips to my wife (who is a high level corporate executive alpha wife type) a few months back…

it was a video where she was giving this happy marriage tip to the wives:


"Wives, your job is to make you man's d*** hard, not make his life hard"

And I thought that was great advice and so forwarded it to my alpha wife and she did one of those 'ha ha' fake laughs and lectured me RE that woman had clearly done her YOUTube business marketing research, identified her target demographic, and was making some money every time a hooked male clicked on one of her videos.

And yeah, of course my wife was right.

But I still got a good chuckle about that advice..



This post doesnt make you look too great in this context, IMO. Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but thats a tough situation.
And of course your wife was right. That's the whole point of this conversation. At least you have a good sense of humor about it.

Ive done the alpha woman thing. What a nightmare of control and emasculation. That said, she never withheld anything with regards to sex regardless of what was happening outside of the bedroom. She was good at making me happy in bed, yes. But happy with her being "the boss" as an alpha in all other regards...? Yeah...never again. I don't have a boss at work, and I sure as hell aint gonna be ok with a *****...err...boss at home.
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As a single man, I can see both sides of this argument. Obviously nobody wants their wife to be a pushover but most men don't want them believing that they're wearing the pants in the relationship either. With an alpha woman, as long as she turns that sh-t off outside of the workplace, then I don't see an issue with it.
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David_Puddy said:

As a single man, I can see both sides of this argument. Obviously nobody wants their wife to be a pushover but most men don't want them believing that they're wearing the pants in the relationship either. With an alpha woman, as long as she turns that sh-t off outside of the workplace, then I don't see an issue with it.


That's fair. From my experience, being alpha implies that that extends beyond the workplace and doesnt just turn off when crossing the doorway. We are who we are, and personally I can't just turn off a major part of my personality without obviously faking being someone I'm not. So why would women not be the same way? "Turning off" a defining part of a personality doesnt make sense to me. Ive never come across a woman who wasn't alpha in regards more than just a subset of her daily life. Maybe initially during the "get to know you" and "ill be whoever you want me to be right now" stage in a relationship, when she's trying to make sure that you don't see a lot of that side. But if thats who she is, then thats just how she is. Being able to turn off your behavior to behave at home, while being an alpha at work, doesnt equate to me. Perhaps she's not actually alpha? Or maybe the male half just can't see that she's actually in charge (maybe he likes being a beta, or doesnt realize it), but lets him believe that she is "turning off" that side of things just for him. Ive seen that manipulation many times, and the guy doesnt even realize it.
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infinity ag said:

BrazosDog02 said:

As for gender roles...they didn't make themselves up. My wife is not going to be effective at slinging 150 bails of hay in July any more than I am going to be effective at dealing with problems children have or handling finances. It's the roles we fell into based on our strengths and we compliment each other. I like to eat, she likes to cook, it works. She likes to save money, and I like to work on vehicles, so I will save 7,000 by doing my own mechanics. It's just how we do things and it works well.


Question about finances. Is it a gender defined role and is it assigned to women? I manage all the finances and investments of my family and I do a very good job. All self-learned. My wife doesn't like to manage it though she enjoys spending it! She sometimes has be grumbling that something was too expensive. Most of my friends do the finances of their families including investment decisions, paying bills etc. Only one of my friends has his wife do it, I think she has some finance degree and he doesn't care to do it either.

My wife has the responsibility of the cooking of the house and she has a fantastic job. Home-cooks healthy food. We get most grocery from Whole Foods which is expensive and it's on me to figure out how we pay for it. We have been doctor-free for decades so maybe it paid for itself. I cook rarely so I cannot claim any credit. I do all the house repairs and making show the cars are in good shape (I am no mechanic, I wish I was, and wish I could learn from somewhere).

I definitely believe in gender roles with some roles being gray area. A house where the woman is responsible for the income and the husband takes care of the kids strikes me as unbalanced.

I think where people get into trouble is when they start to say "only women should do x and only men should do y" in a marriage. I like to cook and go to the grocery store for instances. I'm better and faster at it than my wife so I do it most of the time and it works out better for both of us. My wife also makes a bit more money than I do currently but she stayed home with the kids when they were young. She's just a very smart woman and great at what she does, her financial contribution also helps to do more things than if she didn't work and she's happy.

Been married 30 years and during that time there have been points where I did all of one thing or she did or we shared responsibilities. It's about partnership and communication and supporting one another. Still as a general rule the more women are able to embrace femininity and men are able to embrace masculinity the more likely they are to be happy together. It's just figuring out the right balance and being sometimes that means changes. We are new empty nesters so that's our newest change.

Men generally want 3 things from a wife. Respect, intimacy, and peace. If a woman can provide those 3 things a man will do just about anything to protect her. Women are much more complicated and nuanced.

I will say that social media has really screwed up a lot of women, especially in combination with the messaging around feminism that has pushed women to pursue masculine goals only to find they don't bring them happiness. The biggest problem for both sexes though is they have become far more inwardly focused. True love is about being willing to put your spouses needs in front of your own while your spouse feels the same way. It's so rare to find someone you can trust at that level. It's also about accepting each others imperfections and being patient. The problem is that most of the messaging that people have, especially to women, is to look at relationships more in terms of what that person can do for you without being concerned about the flipside of that coin. Marriage is about serving each other and sacrifice.

I really am amazed at how few young women seem interested in learning skills to be a good wife and mother. How to cook and clean. How to care for children. How to be soft and feminine and lead with love. Aspiring to act like a lady and care about modesty. In the end they are only keeping themselves from happiness.

You could make the same argument about men of course too. Learning how to fix things and be physically and emotionally strong. Learning how to be a gentleman. Creating value for yourself and taking responsibility.
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At the risk of making this thread too much of a relationship discourse, there are plenty of great marriages that are different fits.

There are great marriages where both couples each earn a lot of money individually, that may (probably) manage their finances as a couple different that an equally great marriage where one of the spouses earns significantly more than the other, or all the income.

There may be great marriages with a 15+ age different between the partners versus great ones of similar ages.

Etc. Etc.

I got a chuckle out of that 'Your Job Is…' quote because I imagined saying that to my own wife next time she was nagging me to take out the trash (or some other Honey Do task) and picturing how the conversation would play out from there. And LOL. Nope.


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David_Puddy said:

As a single man, I can see both sides of this argument. Obviously nobody wants their wife to be a pushover but most men don't want them believing that they're wearing the pants in the relationship either. With an alpha woman, as long as she turns that sh-t off outside of the workplace, then I don't see an issue with it.


Absolutely correct. IMO rule #1 for a successful marriage is MUTUAL respect and trust. A lot of different styles can work from those basic foundation principles.

If my 'alpha' wife was walking all over me at home then I wouldn't still be married to her. Likewise, if I had a tendency to be controlling and walk all over her, that wouldn't have flown either. She'd have been outta there.

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I think it goes back to what "cheating" is in a relationship in the first place. Fundamentally, cheating is breaking the rules. 10 different relationships can have different set of rules.

I don't think I could survive in a marriage where your ability to interact with half the population of the planet is heavily restricted, but I see no problem with it if both want to play by the same set of rules. Ditto applies to the complete opposite side of the coin where you can have play with other partners, as long as again both want to play by the same set of rules.

The problems arise when people somehow get married without having the same idea of what the rules should be, or even worse when someone decides to define or change the set of rules years into the marriage and the other side "agrees" to them out of fear of losing the marriage. I think the reason "Open Marriages" get mostly a bad reputation is because many of them are borne out of the latter circumstances.
 
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