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Read the whole thing

The Compact essay although good in that it presents some correct facts is ultimately a limited hangout - attempting to preserve the state religion in the face of it producing disastrous results and manifest injustice

No, the problem is actually the state… https://t.co/HopWgLG8SE pic.twitter.com/Jt3j1sswTd

— Covfefe Anon (@CovfefeAnon) December 17, 2025

I agree with both of these posts. The entire system doesn't need to be propped up and yes white men are victims but the solution is not more leftism or more oppression Olympics. The solution is tossing a grenade on to the civil rights act and allowing companies and society to discriminate as they please for any reason and allow freedom of association. This is the only solution.

While I speak about Boomers and such here, I fully recognize I will be an old white man soon enough and be blamed by the young. That just perpetuates the cycle and does not fix the problem.

Repeal the civil rights act and repeal hart-celler. This is the only way to fix society.

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You're not getting it. DEI IS what you say "let them discriminate as they please for any reason and allow freedom of association"

It will fail for the same reason any racism/sexism/whatever fails in a free market. It creates a competitive disadvantage.

If someone can't get a job flipping burgers, then they have a bad resume. Anyone who wants a job, can get a job.

I am as anti-DEI as I am against any racism, but it will stop you only if you let it. And it sounds like there are a bunch of people who have not had to leave their rooms in order to do just about anything in their lives, and so hustling, outside of ones bedroom desk, is the hardest thing they will have had to do in their lives. DO IT.

Phatbob said:

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Spergin said:

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Read the whole thing

The Compact essay although good in that it presents some correct facts is ultimately a limited hangout - attempting to preserve the state religion in the face of it producing disastrous results and manifest injustice

No, the problem is actually the state… https://t.co/HopWgLG8SE pic.twitter.com/Jt3j1sswTd

— Covfefe Anon (@CovfefeAnon) December 17, 2025

I agree with both of these posts. The entire system doesn't need to be propped up and yes white men are victims but the solution is not more leftism or more oppression Olympics. The solution is tossing a grenade on to the civil rights act and allowing companies and society to discriminate as they please for any reason and allow freedom of association. This is the only solution.

While I speak about Boomers and such here, I fully recognize I will be an old white man soon enough and be blamed by the young. That just perpetuates the cycle and does not fix the problem.

Repeal the civil rights act and repeal hart-celler. This is the only way to fix society.

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You're not getting it. DEI IS what you say "let them discriminate as they please for any reason and allow freedom of association"

It will fail for the same reason any racism/sexism/whatever fails in a free market. It creates a competitive disadvantage.

If someone can't get a job flipping burgers, then they have a bad resume. Anyone who wants a job, can get a job.

I am as anti-DEI as I am against any racism, but it will stop you only if you let it. And it sounds like there are a bunch of people who have not had to leave their rooms in order to do just about anything in their lives, and so hustling, outside of ones bedroom desk, is the hardest thing they will have had to do in their lives. DO IT.

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As a white man, I am not allowed to have a company exclusively composed of white men. Why? If we want to create a parallel economy this should be allowed.

Allowing this will force merit to be a reason why companies succeed or don't. If you can't sue for racism or sexism, then you will be forced to compete on merit alone. If my company of white men is better than yours of minorities then I'm going to take all of your business. That's how this would work in practice.

The existing system is broken entirely. You cannot prop it up with platitudes and expect it to be fixed.

There are also the significant social consequences that have not been considered but are outlined here:

Everyone is focused on lost career opportunities due to a decade of DEI (and H1B) corruption, but what’s equally as significant, if less obvious, is its impact on our social infrastructure.

I’ve been able to overcome hurdles to my own career progression, but I can’t do that for… https://t.co/cMl4fJlKan

— Atticus (@redl3tters) December 16, 2025

Anecdotally, I'm a gen X-er looking for a job. I've worked in manufacturing which has always been cyclical, but I wasn't too worried when I went through a WFR right before Covid. Whether it's the timing, my age or, DEI, all of the doors were closed this time. For jobs I was strongly suited to it never went past HR screening calls. Now I'm back in school trying to retool into something more marketable, if there is something.

I suppose there could be gen X-ers responsible for DEI, but I think it's more likely we're on the receiving end of it.

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Anecdotally, I'm a gen X-er looking for a job. I've worked in manufacturing which has always been cyclical, but I wasn't too worried when I went through a WFR right before Covid. Whether it's the timing, my age or, DEI, all of the doors were closed this time. For jobs I was strongly suited to it never went past HR screening calls. Now I'm back in school trying to retool into something more marketable, if there is something.

I suppose there could be gen X-ers responsible for DEI, but I think it's more likely we're on the receiving end of it.

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Would agree. Last position I hired before I retired about 90% of the applicants were Gen X. I had former VP's interviewing for an Analyst role because they were desperate. It was very disheartening for me to see these folks having to massively downgrade like this.

All were victims of layoffs and I'm sure guilty of making too much money in their former roles.

The BioLeninist decline is already upon us in every major institution & company, and is it accelerating the coming intersection between decreasing Competence & increasing Complexity.

Yet, the very nature of having pervasive "leadership" that increasingly incompetent,
1/ https://t.co/aCOi5mmop5

— Labrador Skeptic (@SaysSimulation) December 17, 2025

I agree with both of these too. When the older generation of white men retires for good, there will be a competency crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.

When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

With the world becoming increasingly complex, this very likely may crater our economy.

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I agree with both of these too. When the older generation of white men retires for good, there will be a competency crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.

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Certainly agree on that. It's going to be a rude awakening. I also think this is one reason why people are so adamantly pursuing AI and portraying it as a panacea because we are going to need something smart to help us through the coming Dark Ages 2.0.

Between de-population and then blocking out whites on top of that, it's going to be a rough ride.

Every generation has challenges. It is what it is. GenX was told to go to college and get a degree, only to have the Boomers filling most all the roles and all of that glut of GenX graduates fighting over the few open positions. It's where the "unpaid intern" got started.

Whining about not getting the same opportunities as everyone else is just the prerequisite of DEI, you just look different than them.

Life isn't fair. Never has been, never will be. You can either use it as an advantage or an excuse. Remember, most of the most successful people are left handed (or they are at least vastly over-represented). It's not because of anything other than they have had to live in a world built to make it easier for people not like them. Overcoming obstacles is a way of life for them and it creates successful ways of life.

The for many of them, the solution is more socialism. The problem is "greedy" corporations. Definitely not the net result of their own behavior and voting patterns.

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The for many of them, the solution is more socialism. The problem is "greedy" corporations. Definitely not the net result of their own behavior and voting patterns.

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Assuming the 79 in your username is your class year (mine too) try graduating in the final Carter years, when the economy was in the toilet, sky high interest rates, etc.

While I did have a job after graduation, it was a stopgap for me to see if I really wanted to go to law school by working for an active litigation firm in Austin. They knew of that goal and really brought me into the fold with attending court hearings, doing some legal research, attending depositions, etc. It was fun and as it turned out, I had a knack for the law.

By the time I was entering the job market again, it was during the Reagan Recovery when jobs were much more plentiful. Interest rates had stabilized. Wages were better and cost of living was getting better.

The "hire based on DEI at all cost" departments of major companies is the primary reason my kids have chosen the trades…and they are half Hispanic. They have a white last name and look white and they didn't want to be judged on anything other than their abilities. They were also aware of the coming AI revolution and did not feel they were guaranteed a well paying job coming out of school…a sentiment we echoed. So the to trades they went. We are ecstatic about it and in the very real environment we live, it was the best decision they could have made. We know countless recent college grads that have had a hard time landing a decent paying job…almost all of them white. Grads on my wife's side of the family have had no such issues. It's just a reality based on our experiences and the people we know.

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there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
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i wonder why that is

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Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

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It would absolutely help.

I was laid off for the first time in my life a few months ago. Gave myself 48 hours to feel sorry and lick my wounds, then went on the offensive to regain employment.

I missed a single paycheck. One. Had a job lined up inside of 3 weeks and my start date was a week after my severance (all of 2 weeks) ended. And I am old. I leveraged my network, and the company I'm with now I started talking to well over 5 years ago. It helps to stay in touch, and it helps more to do so with more than just an email or a text on a holiday.

Are there those that have been shafted? Absolutely, there always are. There were boomers that got shafted even in the boom years. Gen X'ers my age that got the short end of the stick - it's part of life, it happens. But the idea that all doors are shut and thinking that you might as well give up and not work hard is a defeatist mentality, and odds are that mentality comes through crystal clear in social media and in personal interactions.

I'll give these poor folks that can't seem to catch a break because they are white males a hint - there are a few things you can do that cost absolutely nothing and will 100% make you stand out amongst most of your peers:

1. Show up. It is shocking how many younger people can't even show up to a fuggin interview these days. Look, I hate people as much as the next guy, but the reality is that to make it in this world, and especially to make it in a business environment of any type - you have to learn how to deal with people. Face to face. Show up.

2. Have a good attitude. Yeah, this is coming from a guy that is perpetually grumpy - but when it comes to work, the answer is "find a way" and be supportive and enthusiastic about finding that way. Nobody wants a damned Eore on their stafft hat is just a walking rain cloud of can't.

3. Network, network, network and network some more. Emails and texts have their place, but phone calls and - more importantly - the ability to meet face to face carries far more water. Self confidence, look people in the eye, shake hands with a firm grip, know what the F you are talking about. All of these things are achievable and all of these things are the characteristics of people I want to hire. Skin color, sex, age - none of those really matter when it comes to how a person carries themselves, speaks, learns and shows they can navigate challenges effectively.

And if you are in an industry that is hell bent on not hiring white guys that can do the above - learn something new, find a new industry. Start at the bottom if you have to. I 100% guarantee you that if you do the 3 things above you will find yourself well above the bottom in short order because those things are rarer and rarer with every passing day.

You seem to perceive this as a thread where snowflakes need a reality check from a wisened and grizzled TRUE man.

I recommend you attempt to reread this thread with an open mind. You're misunderstanding what's being said and significantly underestimating some of the men whom you're trying to put in their place.

It only makes you look flippant to wave away the ongoing frustrations of others. It certainly isn't convincing others of whatever it is you think you're peddling.

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Dan Carlin said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is

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Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

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It would absolutely help.

I was laid off for the first time in my life a few months ago. Gave myself 48 hours to feel sorry and lick my wounds, then went on the offensive to regain employment.

I missed a single paycheck. One. Had a job lined up inside of 3 weeks and my start date was a week after my severance (all of 2 weeks) ended. And I am old. I leveraged my network, and the company I'm with now I started talking to well over 5 years ago. It helps to stay in touch, and it helps more to do so with more than just an email or a text on a holiday.

Are there those that have been shafted? Absolutely, there always are. There were boomers that got shafted even in the boom years. Gen X'ers my age that got the short end of the stick - it's part of life, it happens. But the idea that all doors are shut and thinking that you might as well give up and not work hard is a defeatist mentality, and odds are that mentality comes through crystal clear in social media and in personal interactions.

I'll give these poor folks that can't seem to catch a break because they are white males a hint - there are a few things you can do that cost absolutely nothing and will 100% make you stand out amongst most of your peers:

1. Show up. It is shocking how many younger people can't even show up to a fuggin interview these days. Look, I hate people as much as the next guy, but the reality is that to make it in this world, and especially to make it in a business environment of any type - you have to learn how to deal with people. Face to face. Show up.

2. Have a good attitude. Yeah, this is coming from a guy that is perpetually grumpy - but when it comes to work, the answer is "find a way" and be supportive and enthusiastic about finding that way. Nobody wants a damned Eore on their stafft hat is just a walking rain cloud of can't.

3. Network, network, network and network some more. Emails and texts have their place, but phone calls and - more importantly - the ability to meet face to face carries far more water. Self confidence, look people in the eye, shake hands with a firm grip, know what the F you are talking about. All of these things are achievable and all of these things are the characteristics of people I want to hire. Skin color, sex, age - none of those really matter when it comes to how a person carries themselves, speaks, learns and shows they can navigate challenges effectively.

And if you are in an industry that is hell bent on not hiring white guys that can do the above - learn something new, find a new industry. Start at the bottom if you have to. I 100% guarantee you that if you do the 3 things above you will find yourself well above the bottom in short order because those things are rarer and rarer with every passing day.

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BREAKING: Applying to a job in 2025 is the statistical equivalent of hurling your resume into a black hole, per Business Insider.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) December 5, 2025

Applying for a job as a 50 year old man with an extensive network is vastly different than someone who doesn't have that.

Sending your resume in online doesn't work when the system is broken. AI is used to screen resumes, write resumes, etc. People send in 1000 of resumes with no response.

I am not one of these because I have extensive experience and know a lot of people but for many people the job application process and resume sending process is fundamentally broken. You have about as good of a chance of finding a job doing it as you do getting struck by lightning.

My advice to younger people is utterly meaningless because I caught the last flight about of Vietnam. What worked for me will never work for them. I'm not sure some of you realize just how fundamentally broken everything is now.

Across the board for everyone it's taking a year or more for new graduates to find jobs and that's everyone. For white men, they may as well not even bother.

Telling everyone to go into the trades is not an option because that means we have given up all leadership positions to foreigners. Why would we want to do this?

Going back to the original article:

when white men fail, they suck

when others fail, it's the system

that's basically all they got pic.twitter.com/9Oi6bUYft6

— Razib Khan 🧬 ✍️ (@razibkhan) December 17, 2025

This is very true.

I know personal attacks aren't allowed, but you're ******ed.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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You seem to perceive this as a thread where snowflakes need a reality check from a wisened and grizzled TRUE man.

I recommend you attempt to reread this thread with an open mind. You're misunderstanding what's being said and significantly underestimating some of the men whom you're trying to put in their place.

It only makes you look flippant to wave away the ongoing frustrations of others. It certainly isn't convincing others of whatever it is you think you're peddling.

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Name does not fit lol

92% of hiring managers say they are using AI for screening resumes or pre-screening interviews, per Insight Global's 2025 AI in Hiring Survey.

— Barefoot Student (@BarefootStudent) December 17, 2025

For those of you who don't know, this is what the job application process is now. It's horrific.

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how can this surprise anyone?!?

the communists and Marxists have been literally stating this was their goal for 20 years!

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It doesn't to anyone who was paying attention. This forum is repeatedly surprised though because it's full of Boomers who love the civil rights act and the civil rights movement. None of them were ever affected by of this stuff and tell everyone younger to pull themselves up by the bootstraps despite literally every single door being systematically closed in their face.

Some of the stories I posted above describe dudes who couldn't even find a job in fast food. That's how pervasive the desire to avoid hiring white men became.

I'll never understand a parent who doesn't do anything to help their kids succeed. I'll game the system as much as I can ensure my kids aren't left behind.

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I've definitely noticed a generation gap.

My father, born in 1954, remembers the days of segregated water fountains, and seems to still have some guilt over having been raised racist. (Not deliberately so; it's just that Grandpa was from the deep south.

OTOH, I, born in 1982, grew up in a desegregated world, where we were taught that racism was a solved problem -- until one day when a bunch of Black people started riots in Los Angeles for seemingly very little reason. When school administrators were soft on "people of color" because they were afraid of looking racist. In 2000 When I was applying for college scholarships, I couldn't help but notice that a lot of them were unavailable to be as a straight White male (though thanks largely to making it to State in the UIL mathematics competition, I ended up getting most of my undergrad paid for.) IOW, where being White has never been a "privilege".

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Even for those of us who are successful, we all fear losing our jobs because we know it's almost certainly over if that happens. We can't leave our jobs because everything is now broken where the jobs either don't exist or they have no intention of hiring a white man.

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I've never worried about this. I'm 42.

And as I see it, if we are to accept the idea of "reparations" for Jim Crow, the logical approach would be to have racially-targeted bonus Social Security payments, since it would benefit the actual people who experienced discrimination. Not to skew college admissions and job hiring among young adults who bear no responsibility for history.

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The BioLeninist decline is already upon us in every major institution & company, and is it accelerating the coming intersection between decreasing Competence & increasing Complexity.

Yet, the very nature of having pervasive "leadership" that increasingly incompetent,
1/ https://t.co/aCOi5mmop5

— Labrador Skeptic (@SaysSimulation) December 17, 2025

I agree with both of these too. When the older generation of white men retires for good, there will be a competency crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.

When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

With the world becoming increasingly complex, this very likely may crater our economy.

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I have a story along these almost exact lines. Many years ago in Houston, I met a retired NASA engineer. This was when Shuttles were taking astronauts to the Russian Mir station, and a Russian supply craft bumped into the station while docking.

While assessing the situation, NASA asked for orbital telemetry data from the Russians and received it. NASA has a computer program, I believe written in Cobol, that could be used to analyze the Russian data. Only it needed some modification, and there was no one left who knew how to do it. They had to hire the retired guy back short term in order to process the data.

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schmellba99 said:

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Dan Carlin said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is

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Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

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It would absolutely help.

I was laid off for the first time in my life a few months ago. Gave myself 48 hours to feel sorry and lick my wounds, then went on the offensive to regain employment.

I missed a single paycheck. One. Had a job lined up inside of 3 weeks and my start date was a week after my severance (all of 2 weeks) ended. And I am old. I leveraged my network, and the company I'm with now I started talking to well over 5 years ago. It helps to stay in touch, and it helps more to do so with more than just an email or a text on a holiday.

Are there those that have been shafted? Absolutely, there always are. There were boomers that got shafted even in the boom years. Gen X'ers my age that got the short end of the stick - it's part of life, it happens. But the idea that all doors are shut and thinking that you might as well give up and not work hard is a defeatist mentality, and odds are that mentality comes through crystal clear in social media and in personal interactions.

I'll give these poor folks that can't seem to catch a break because they are white males a hint - there are a few things you can do that cost absolutely nothing and will 100% make you stand out amongst most of your peers:

1. Show up. It is shocking how many younger people can't even show up to a fuggin interview these days. Look, I hate people as much as the next guy, but the reality is that to make it in this world, and especially to make it in a business environment of any type - you have to learn how to deal with people. Face to face. Show up.

2. Have a good attitude. Yeah, this is coming from a guy that is perpetually grumpy - but when it comes to work, the answer is "find a way" and be supportive and enthusiastic about finding that way. Nobody wants a damned Eore on their stafft hat is just a walking rain cloud of can't.

3. Network, network, network and network some more. Emails and texts have their place, but phone calls and - more importantly - the ability to meet face to face carries far more water. Self confidence, look people in the eye, shake hands with a firm grip, know what the F you are talking about. All of these things are achievable and all of these things are the characteristics of people I want to hire. Skin color, sex, age - none of those really matter when it comes to how a person carries themselves, speaks, learns and shows they can navigate challenges effectively.

And if you are in an industry that is hell bent on not hiring white guys that can do the above - learn something new, find a new industry. Start at the bottom if you have to. I 100% guarantee you that if you do the 3 things above you will find yourself well above the bottom in short order because those things are rarer and rarer with every passing day.

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BREAKING: Applying to a job in 2025 is the statistical equivalent of hurling your resume into a black hole, per Business Insider.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) December 5, 2025

Applying for a job as a 50 year old man with an extensive network is vastly different than someone who doesn't have that.

Sending your resume in online doesn't work when the system is broken. AI is used to screen resumes, write resumes, etc. People send in 1000 of resumes with no response.

I am not one of these because I have extensive experience and know a lot of people but for many people the job application process and resume sending process is fundamentally broken. You have about as good of a chance of finding a job doing it as you do getting struck by lightning.

My advice to younger people is utterly meaningless because I caught the last flight about of Vietnam. What worked for me will never work for them. I'm not sure some of you realize just how fundamentally broken everything is now.

Across the board for everyone it's taking a year or more for new graduates to find jobs and that's everyone. For white men, they may as well not even bother.

Telling everyone to go into the trades is not an option because that means we have given up all leadership positions to foreigners. Why would we want to do this?

Going back to the original article:

when white men fail, they suck

when others fail, it's the system

that's basically all they got pic.twitter.com/9Oi6bUYft6

— Razib Khan 🧬 ✍️ (@razibkhan) December 17, 2025

This is very true.

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If all you do is sit around flinging your resume out on linkedin or indeed, you will get exactly out of that process what you put into it.

What is absolutely lost, and was lost on you as well through my comment, is that you can't sit back and text and email your way into a job in a lot of cases. It takes feet on the ground, developing a network. It started learning how to network and the value of a network when I was an hourly craft worker before I ever went to college.

I'm not saying the sytem isn't broken - but I am saying that there are workarounds and things that can be done to circumvent the broken. But it takes effort and hustle, and that seems to be the thing that is lost with the younger generations.

I know this comes as a shock - but there are a few things that are timeless and span across generations that are still 100% valid today. The problem is that, most of the time, they sit on the shelf in the closet collecting dust instead of being used by those that need to use them the most.

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One thing is for certain it definitely is not the fault of boomers who were in leadership positions when anti-white policies were implemented.
It wasnt the fault of boomers and gen x in leadership positions who shut the country down over covid..
It wasnt the fault of boomers and Gen x that our schools became utter trash and federalized over the past 30 plus years.

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Gen X is the only generation that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, without them the Democrats would have dominated all 3 Branches. Quit mixing us in with Boomers, we hate them and don't think like them.

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Boomers/Gen X in leadership positions made it and then kicked the ladder out underneath. Incredibly selfish. Boomers/Gen X in Congress have done the same with our national debt,. Future generations to be screwed.

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Gen X is guys like Massie and Paul and Roy and DeSantis who are some of the only true conservatives in politics, they voted +14 for Trump which is by far the most of any Generation. Unfortunately Millennials still vote for Dems and Boomers are finally split after always voting Dem. Gen X has never gotten real power on a macro level and Boomers and Millennials seem to love to try to destroy them if they can.

Millennials vote for Dems and then cry that they get Dem policies.

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92% of hiring managers say they are using AI for screening resumes or pre-screening interviews, per Insight Global's 2025 AI in Hiring Survey.

— Barefoot Student (@BarefootStudent) December 17, 2025

For those of you who don't know, this is what the job application process is now. It's horrific.

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Resumes have always been prescreened. You are not guaranteed an interview because you simply submit a resume.

My employer does it, but still has a person do it since we're not huge.

AI can look for certain things that are automatic qualifiers or disqualifiers and save people time.

Given the amount of absolute garbage resumes we see, it is not horrific to have something scream out most of the crap.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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You seem to perceive this as a thread where snowflakes need a reality check from a wisened and grizzled TRUE man.

I recommend you attempt to reread this thread with an open mind. You're misunderstanding what's being said and significantly underestimating some of the men whom you're trying to put in their place.

It only makes you look flippant to wave away the ongoing frustrations of others. It certainly isn't convincing others of whatever it is you think you're peddling.

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Whatever, man. I read this with adult/almost adult kids who are dealing with this actively. Yes, DEI is wrong, but the "generation of white males can't get jobs" hyperbole is exactly what DEI tells me in the HR required meetings... it's excuses for people who need excuses.

The same thing that made white males successful 15, 30, 40 years ago is the same thing that will make a white male successful today, and the current cultural roadblock du jour won't change that. DEI will go away, or it will morph into the next issue, but frankly that doesn't matter. The thing that does matter is the reaction to adversity. Sure, you might have a valid reason things are made unnecessarily harder, but so what? The market will fix it, but in the mean time, the people affected by it can either use it as an excuse or use it as a spring board.

It's a mindset issue that is completely separate from left/right.

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Spergin said:

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The BioLeninist decline is already upon us in every major institution & company, and is it accelerating the coming intersection between decreasing Competence & increasing Complexity.

Yet, the very nature of having pervasive "leadership" that increasingly incompetent,
1/ https://t.co/aCOi5mmop5

— Labrador Skeptic (@SaysSimulation) December 17, 2025

I agree with both of these too. When the older generation of white men retires for good, there will be a competency crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.

When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

With the world becoming increasingly complex, this very likely may crater our economy.

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I have a story along these almost exact lines. Many years ago in Houston, I met a retired NASA engineer. This was when Shuttles were taking astronauts to the Russian Mir station, and a Russian supply craft bumped into the station while docking.

While assessing the situation, NASA asked for orbital telemetry data from the Russians and received it. NASA has a computer program, I believe written in Cobol, that could be used to analyze the Russian data. Only it needed some modification, and there was no one left who knew how to do it. They had to hire the retired guy back short term in order to process the data.

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Sounds like a movie

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When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

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COBOL is not dead. People are still writing new programs in it. I know this because I personally have had the "privilege" of writing C++ code to interoperate with COBOL programs. (But fortunately, haven't had to write any COBOL code myself.)

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When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

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COBOL is not dead. People are still writing new programs in it. I know this because I personally have had the "privilege" of writing C++ code to interoperate with COBOL programs. (But fortunately, haven't had to write any COBOL code myself.)

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Yep, plenty of people who can write COBAL.

No idea where the OP is getting some of his ideas such as the country will implode because soon anyone who can write COBAL will be dead.

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When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

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COBOL is not dead. People are still writing new programs in it. I know this because I personally have had the "privilege" of writing C++ code to interoperate with COBOL programs. (But fortunately, haven't had to write any COBOL code myself.)

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Half the banks still use it. Government uses it heavily. Many other companies use it. Etc.

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My wife's cousin who is a white male and graduated college in 2013 with a hard liberal lean had a terrible time getting any kind of meaningful work. I remember talking to him in 2021 and I'm not sure if he switched ideologies completely but it surprised me how he was talking about minorities getting preferential treatment in his field and how he agreed a lot with Trump about woke culture and the border. He may have been one of those demographics that swung hard for Trump in 24

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Yep.

I know someone who is left leaning, who complained that their kid was 'the wrong color' to get any academic scholarships.

I said, "but I thought it was illegal to discriminate...who could possibly support this?"

You vote these silly doctrines in, you suffer the consequences.

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This is an area of disagreement in my household. I have 3 white pre-teens but my wife is convinced this won't be a problem for them at all but I'm very concerned about it. I'm old enough and been fortunate enough that I have some cash saved away but I got well into my career before this really became a thing.

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When the last person who knows COBOL dies, we're screwed and this is just one example among many.

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COBOL is not dead. People are still writing new programs in it. I know this because I personally have had the "privilege" of writing C++ code to interoperate with COBOL programs. (But fortunately, haven't had to write any COBOL code myself.)

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Yep, plenty of people who can write COBAL.

No idea where the OP is getting some of his ideas such as the country will implode because soon anyone who can write COBAL will be dead.

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Sure but it's still a dying skill, like a lot of things. My point is that the knowledge base cannot be replaced when you remove the entire group who invented it and refuse to allow them to train their successors.

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92% of hiring managers say they are using AI for screening resumes or pre-screening interviews, per Insight Global's 2025 AI in Hiring Survey.

— Barefoot Student (@BarefootStudent) December 17, 2025

For those of you who don't know, this is what the job application process is now. It's horrific.

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Resumes have always been prescreened. You are not guaranteed an interview because you simply submit a resume.

My employer does it, but still has a person do it since we're not huge.

AI can look for certain things that are automatic qualifiers or disqualifiers and save people time.

Given the amount of absolute garbage resumes we see, it is not horrific to have something scream out most of the crap.

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If you're using AI at all for anything related to resume screening then you're doing it wrong, end of story. It takes 30 seconds max to easily determine if someone is qualified or if the resumes is good/crap.

This is exactly why people have AI write their resumes now. The system sucks so everyone just tailors their resume exactly to the keywords. It's all a joke.

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92% of hiring managers say they are using AI for screening resumes or pre-screening interviews, per Insight Global's 2025 AI in Hiring Survey.

— Barefoot Student (@BarefootStudent) December 17, 2025

For those of you who don't know, this is what the job application process is now. It's horrific.

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Resumes have always been prescreened. You are not guaranteed an interview because you simply submit a resume.

My employer does it, but still has a person do it since we're not huge.

AI can look for certain things that are automatic qualifiers or disqualifiers and save people time.

Given the amount of absolute garbage resumes we see, it is not horrific to have something scream out most of the crap.

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If you're using AI at all for anything related to resume screening then you're doing it wrong, end of story. It takes 30 seconds max to easily determine if someone is qualified or if the resumes is good/crap.

This is exactly why people have AI write their resumes now. The system sucks so everyone just tailors their resume exactly to the keywords. It's all a joke.

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Good luck with screening the hundreds or thousands of resumes that are sent to hiring companies. I got my current job because of networking. They stopped taking resumes for the position and left it unfilled for 6 months because they were inundated with unqualified applicants, most of which didn't even live in the country, and they didn't have time to sift through each one for the few actually qualified applicants.

The process itself will have to change because it is not working for a multitude of reasons.

There WILL be collateral damage. Yes; the individual should maximize their individual chance to succeed. But at a statistical level a group whose opportunities get throttled will suffer in the interim while they shift to new careers. A competitor to a woke Fortune 500 who offers alternative employment doesn't spring up overnight.

You can scoff all you want, but that nonchalance is part of why so many in the younger generation are embracing systemic destruction. Men we dismiss without a modicum of sympathy will find alternatives to follow and vote for.

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there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is

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Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

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It would absolutely help.

I was laid off for the first time in my life a few months ago. Gave myself 48 hours to feel sorry and lick my wounds, then went on the offensive to regain employment.

I missed a single paycheck. One. Had a job lined up inside of 3 weeks and my start date was a week after my severance (all of 2 weeks) ended. And I am old. I leveraged my network, and the company I'm with now I started talking to well over 5 years ago. It helps to stay in touch, and it helps more to do so with more than just an email or a text on a holiday.

Are there those that have been shafted? Absolutely, there always are. There were boomers that got shafted even in the boom years. Gen X'ers my age that got the short end of the stick - it's part of life, it happens. But the idea that all doors are shut and thinking that you might as well give up and not work hard is a defeatist mentality, and odds are that mentality comes through crystal clear in social media and in personal interactions.

I'll give these poor folks that can't seem to catch a break because they are white males a hint - there are a few things you can do that cost absolutely nothing and will 100% make you stand out amongst most of your peers:

1. Show up. It is shocking how many younger people can't even show up to a fuggin interview these days. Look, I hate people as much as the next guy, but the reality is that to make it in this world, and especially to make it in a business environment of any type - you have to learn how to deal with people. Face to face. Show up.

2. Have a good attitude. Yeah, this is coming from a guy that is perpetually grumpy - but when it comes to work, the answer is "find a way" and be supportive and enthusiastic about finding that way. Nobody wants a damned Eore on their stafft hat is just a walking rain cloud of can't.

3. Network, network, network and network some more. Emails and texts have their place, but phone calls and - more importantly - the ability to meet face to face carries far more water. Self confidence, look people in the eye, shake hands with a firm grip, know what the F you are talking about. All of these things are achievable and all of these things are the characteristics of people I want to hire. Skin color, sex, age - none of those really matter when it comes to how a person carries themselves, speaks, learns and shows they can navigate challenges effectively.

And if you are in an industry that is hell bent on not hiring white guys that can do the above - learn something new, find a new industry. Start at the bottom if you have to. I 100% guarantee you that if you do the 3 things above you will find yourself well above the bottom in short order because those things are rarer and rarer with every passing day.

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BREAKING: Applying to a job in 2025 is the statistical equivalent of hurling your resume into a black hole, per Business Insider.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) December 5, 2025

Applying for a job as a 50 year old man with an extensive network is vastly different than someone who doesn't have that.

Sending your resume in online doesn't work when the system is broken. AI is used to screen resumes, write resumes, etc. People send in 1000 of resumes with no response.

I am not one of these because I have extensive experience and know a lot of people but for many people the job application process and resume sending process is fundamentally broken. You have about as good of a chance of finding a job doing it as you do getting struck by lightning.

My advice to younger people is utterly meaningless because I caught the last flight about of Vietnam. What worked for me will never work for them. I'm not sure some of you realize just how fundamentally broken everything is now.

Across the board for everyone it's taking a year or more for new graduates to find jobs and that's everyone. For white men, they may as well not even bother.

Telling everyone to go into the trades is not an option because that means we have given up all leadership positions to foreigners. Why would we want to do this?

Going back to the original article:

when white men fail, they suck

when others fail, it's the system

that's basically all they got pic.twitter.com/9Oi6bUYft6

— Razib Khan 🧬 ✍️ (@razibkhan) December 17, 2025

This is very true.

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I work with new grads and students in tech all the time helping them with resumes and job searches. Those who put in the effort do just fine, unfortunately most do not. They get upset when I tell them how to fix their resume and how to network or they don't follow through. They just want to apply and pray or be one of 10,000 people applying for the same jobs. I talk to them about how to make their resumes as relevant skill wise as possible. I tell them to target smaller companies to build experience of mid level managers that they can connect to and network with. I help them make lists of companies to target and teach them how to fish.

Some do and succeed but many don't. A lot of them simply don't handle rejection well and they don't like getting out of their comfort zone. They think that somehow older generations just went to school and applied for jobs and got hired. A lot of them have a very low pain tolerance and lack of discipline. The ones who hustle and are willing to handle getting some "no's" do fine or better than fine.

I used to work with the Former Student's Assn with new grads as well helping them. Then I had some kid who I spent a good bit of time helping him but he got very defensive and upset that it wasn't working how he wanted. He expected me to drop everything whenever he messaged me and tell him what he was supposed to do though his own follow through was poor. So he complained about me to the Assn and got me taken off of their list. He thought he was "winning" by getting me to stop volunteering to help and he succeeded I guess. That was one of my first times trying to help Millennials and discovering the level of entitlement they had. I expected them to be grateful someone at least gave a damn and was trying to help them, I certainly didn't have that. Instead he just didn't like hearing the truth.

I don't see many that are excited about wearing a suit and working 70 hours a week in the office for a couple of years at barely above minimum wage to hope to prove themselves. That's what I had to do. Lots of cold calls and rejection. The challenges they have are also difficult in different ways but don't tell me about how easy things were in the past.

The folks who simply follow the herd rarely end up on top because they compete against the largest group and it is harder to distinguish themselves. That is the same for every generation. I do think social media has broken a lot of younger people's brains though when they see others who seem to be so successful with so little effort but don't look under the covers to see that most are faking it and the ones who are succeeding are hustling a lot harder than they realize outside of a few that just got lucky as hell.

The main advantage Gen X had was we knew no one cared about us and no one was going to help us. We had to figure it out ourselves or be disposable. So we learned that complaining was wasted energy and life wasn't fair so we had to figure it out.

I raised my boys to be more like Gen X. Life is choices. Don't ever expect the world to be fair. The only thing you can change or impact is what you do yourself and don't waste your time wishing people would do what you want them to do. Both my boys are crushing it in life. Eldest graduated in 3 years and is making heavy 6 figures at 22. Youngest is on a full ride scholarship doing Mech E and has is about to get his 2nd top tier Internship (first after he graduated from HS, this one after Freshman year) and has tremendous options in front of him. It wasn't easy for either of them and they had to make a lot of hard choices and work their asses off but it's paying off for them big time. Both have gotten their ass kicked repeatedly by life at times but they are resilient and keep fighting. It is so frustrating when I see so many of their friends who just aren't willing to put in the same work or are simply mentally weak as hell and look for the path of least resistance constantly.

Anyone who lives in the US and has reasonably good health has all the opportunity to succeed if they choose it.

Oh, and I could go on for a long time about how DEI screwed me in my career multiple times, both from Boomers who promoted it and Millennials that treated it like a freaking religion. All I can do though is vote against it and try and wake people up to it when I can. Otherwise you just have to find a way to overcome.