Again, it's because they want to be able to appear impartial because of long running accusations of corruption and favoritism. There is rumor and supposition that Freemason cops cover for other Freemasons on the force or who are accused of crimes. Nothing has ever been proven or substantiated, though there was a lot of smoke around the murder of Daniel Morgan in the late 80's. He was allegedly killed by a Freemason, and Freemasons involved in the investigation were supposedly intentionally incompetent and purposefully blew the investigation. They apparently had frequent meetings with the lead suspect at a local pub, and one of them ended up working for the lead suspect. It's basically an open secret of who liked him and who else was involved, but because of incompetence and corruption, no successful trial has ever come from the multiple investigations into the murder.

Plenty of Brits believe, but have never shown, that Freemason relationships extend beyond the lodge and unduly influence promotions and investigations. There may be some truth to that, but it may just be a case of cultural corruption and coincidental membership by many cops

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Again, it's because they want to be able to appear impartial because of long running accusations of corruption and favoritism. There is rumor and supposition that Freemason cops cover for other Freemasons on the force or who are accused of crimes. Nothing has ever been proven or substantiated, though there was a lot of smoke around the murder of Daniel Morgan in the late 80's. He was allegedly killed by a Freemason, and Freemasons involved in the investigation were supposedly intentionally incompetent and purposefully blew the investigation. They apparently had frequent meetings with the lead suspect at a local pub, and one of them ended up working for the lead suspect. It's basically an open secret of who liked him and who else was involved, but because of incompetence and corruption, no successful trial has ever come from the multiple investigations into the murder.

Plenty of Brits believe, but have never shown, that Freemason relationships extend beyond the lodge and unduly influence promotions and investigations. There may be some truth to that, but it may just be a case of cultural corruption and coincidental membership by many cops

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Was not aware! Thanks for this context.

I would think that would hold true for a lot of like-minded people outside of Freemasons though. It's well-known that Indian managers seek to hire only other Indians on their teams. Why wouldn't that extend to police officers on the force? Maybe a Cambridge grad would favor other Cambridge grads. Muslims would favor other Muslims. Seems odd that Freemasons are the only ones singled out for it.

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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Probably the same thing that blows Catholics' skirts up

Religious indifference

Irreconcilable with Church doctrine

Secularized approach to things like marriage

Naturalist views

Religious indifference

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Deistic view of God. Generic deity

Good as Supreme being as opposed to Trinitarian

Secrecy, quasi religious rituals

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Reasonable answer, because I honestly don't have the foggiest idea what Freemasons practice or believe.

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Catholics get hung up on Freemasons due to the fact that you CANNOT be atheist to be a Freemasons but you don't have to be Christian.

As you can imagine, being a member of an organization that requires you to believe in god but not necessarily Jesus….well, that's a big deal for Catholics.

Whether that's a big deal, I dunno. Not sure how many Catholics are Freemasons as a whole but most lodges have more than a few Catholic members for what it's worth. I've also attended Catholic Church for many years and not been remove from mass like Uncle Phil tossing Jazzy Jeff on the lawn so who knows but I suspect the feeling is mostly archaic and fading quick.

They're not necessarily singled out. What the Met is requiring is for officers to declare if they're a part of any, "hierarchical organisation that requires members to support and protect each other," which the Freemasons fit.

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I'm sorry. What?

Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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Freemasonry is not a secret organization, but an organization with secrets and a lot of esoteric work that cannot be placed in context or understood by non-Masons. That post is confirmation. Only one of those accusations has any truth in it.

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Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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Freemasonry is not a secret organization, but an organization with secrets and a lot of esoteric work that cannot be placed in context or understood by non-Masons. That post is confirmation. Only one of those accusations has any truth in it.

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Freemasons also constantly lie about their true beliefs and intentions. But, I will grant you that most of the lower degreed Masons have no idea of how evil the organization is.

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Uhm....that was supposed to be secret. Thanks a lot. The jig is up now.

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See his post at 8:24 am. He won't believe anything you say and is probably not worth engaging with.

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Bingo. It's the same mentality you see from navel-gazing liberals that claim they won't talk politics to a non-liberal because 'they are fed a continuous stream of lies therefore there is no point in having a conversation' - Jason Bateman, Nick Offerman, etc.

No - liberal - you recognize any intelligent non-liberal can quickly apply logic to tie your childish thoughts into a noose by which you hang yourself. Therefore you scream "You are wrong and I refuse to explain why or hear anything you have to say."

Just an FYI....some us posting here about their church refusing membership to Freemasons don't really have an opinion either way. Just offering up reasons why some churches oppose them.

I honestly don't really care either way if you're a Freemason. Like I said in a previous post, I just told my husband the other night I wanted to donate 50% of my money to Shriner's Children's Hospital and 50% to St. Jude's when I die. I can definitely appreciate what they do.

No to speak for BoerneGator, but these discussions are very dificult to engage in online due to the deep and ancient spritual nature. The heretical beliefs that BG referenced could be a Gnostic background wherin Jesus/Lucifer are intertwined. Represented as the lightbearer / morningstar and serpent in the garden of eden that illuminated mankind with intellect.

Masonry is just like everything else in life. As a stupid example, as a kid you love Led Zeppelin listen to their music, go to concerts, etc.. Become a young adult and still love the music, follow the band, and want to play guitar like Jimmy Page one day. As as adult you mature and dig deeper, you realize that they aren't great people or even good people and have used the proceeds of your concert tickets, record sales, etc... to do deplorable things. Meaning there is always more behind the curtain and just because everyone is cool at the lodge in Flatonia Texas doesn't mean that it's that way across the board. Hidden in plain sight is not just a catchphrase. Masonry uses lodges in friendly towns to quell any doubt or questions regarding the Order. My grandfather was a master mason in the scottish rite and eventually a shriner. My nature is to unequivacally believe that he is a great person and would never be apart of something potentially below board. My grandfather was a member of President Eisenhowers cabinet / Joint Chiefs and masonry was a prerequisite for the position. Not an uncommon practice in Washington.

Again, just like with everything else, casting a broad net over freemasonry as all one and the same is irresponsible, but there is mounds of evidence out there that expose the darker side of "masonry" (using quotes because for many, masonry is merely a structured self-contained society that tracks the progress from profane to intiate to adept that adhere to the symbolic tenets of the Osirian cycle. There are many masonic orders that don't have freemasonry anywhere in their name.)

I've spent my life researching this topic as it is rooted in my family and I was once a member of a lodge. Don't take my word for it, but if you are truly interested in the history of masonry you will find what you are looking for. A good start is reading Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. Then go from there.

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Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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Freemasonry is not a secret organization, but an organization with secrets and a lot of esoteric work that cannot be placed in context or understood by non-Masons. That post is confirmation. Only one of those accusations has any truth in it.

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Oh good grief. All we do is scale walls without a harness to add additional brick & mortar near the top.

Free climbing masons are not the devil you think that they are.

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I literally quoted some of them and posted a litany from almost every denomination. Christians across the spectrum pretty much universally denounce them.

According to one F16er, Pres Trump is a Mason.

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Bingo. It's the same mentality you see from navel-gazing liberals that claim they won't talk politics to a non-liberal because 'they are fed a continuous stream of lies therefore there is no point in having a conversation' - Jason Bateman, Nick Offerman, etc.

No - liberal - you recognize any intelligent non-liberal can quickly apply logic to tie your childish thoughts into a noose by which you hang yourself. Therefore you scream "You are wrong and I refuse to explain why or hear anything you have to say."

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Or, you could choose to read and learn what almost every denomination sees them as an evil and heretical organization based on their beliefs.

Don't know if President Trump is a mason, but he is / has been a student of the Kabbalah and that doctrine has many parrallels with freemasonry.

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Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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https://www.lakelandfbc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Various_Church_Positions_on_Freemasonry.pdf

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I have a great grandfather and his son, my great uncle, who were both Baptist ministers and Masons here in Texas.

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Pretty much every denomination speaks out against Freemasonry and its tenets due to its heretical teachings and dogma. One simply cannot claim to be Christian and a Freemason; the 2 are diametrically opposed. The link below lists statements from Catholics, Orthodox, and various Protestant denominations.

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The Southern Baptist Convention:
There are eight major concerns that the Southern Baptist Convention has expressed about the teachings and practices of
Freemasonry. These are:
(1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.
(2) Freemasonry insists on the use of "bloody oaths" or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.
Matt.5:34-37).
(3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in
interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.
(4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the "furniture of the lodge," but only as an equal with non-Christian
symbols & writings.
(5) Freemasonry misuses the term "light" to refer to moral "reformation" as a means to salvation.
(6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by "good works" and not through faith in Christ alone.
(7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
(8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against non-whites

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https://www.lakelandfbc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Various_Church_Positions_on_Freemasonry.pdf

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I have a great grandfather and his son, my great uncle, who were both Baptist ministers and Masons here in Texas.

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There are outliers in everything, and every church is different. Most Masons are probably decent people, but the organization itself is evil, and its tenets go against Christianity. Just the entry level oath stating you're going from darkness to light is heretical. How is a Christian walking in darkness?

This was much more common 50-100 years ago...many Southern Baptist preachers and laymen were Masons. Now? Not so much.

In looking for something to assist in researching masonry and its history, I came across this lecture. I have know idea who the account is that posted it but the lecture is a great starting point on diving into the subject. He provides some depth to what was posted above.

FREEMASONS: THE EGYPTIAN AND BABYLONIAN PREISTHOOD

Lecture by Professor Walter Veith

An in depth deep dive on who your enemy is and their origins. If you do not understand their origins you will not understand the reality around you. pic.twitter.com/Z4NjgJXlHV

— Redpill Drifter (@RedpillDrifter) December 30, 2025