Wait….is there some idea that UK policemen who are closet Freemasons are leading some vanguard of secret anti-Islamism?!?

Put the TV remote down lol

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Are freemasons known to be conservative or something?

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Old white men dressing up in costumes, chanting, drinking scotch and tickling one another is a huge threat to "democracy". Who knew.

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Yes, much of that is currently true, but the history behind these ceremonies is as ancient as the crusades. You fail to understand that Islam holds grudges for 1000's of years and when they get power, they look to settle old scores. Better wake up. Freemasons are not the enemy.

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Not to derail on freemasonry's origin claims and historical existence, but ceremonies invented by a secret society in the modern era that *allude to* ancient history and medieval stonemasonry lore isn't the same thing as being *a part of* that ancient history.

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Of course the current Freemasons are not actively participating in those ancient historical battles. But the ideals continue to live on. You either believe in those ancient ideals or you don't. I am continually amazed at how history repeats itself.

Freemasons need to pay their own way

/IIIhorn

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Are freemasons known to be conservative or something?

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Old white men dressing up in costumes, chanting, drinking scotch and tickling one another is a huge threat to "democracy". Who knew.

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Yes, much of that is currently true, but the history behind these ceremonies is as ancient as the crusades. You fail to understand that Islam holds grudges for 1000's of years and when they get power, they look to settle old scores. Better wake up. Freemasons are not the enemy.

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Islam has only been around 1400 years. Not 1000's.

Now the feud between Isaac and Ishmael goes back further but we would need to get into discussions on assyryians, phoenicians, canaanites, egyptians… i could go on.

And where did I say they were the enemy? I am just making fun of secret societies where grown men dress up to play a fancy version of Dungeons and Dragons.

Are Britain's politicians bought my Middle East oil money?

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Are freemasons known to be conservative or something?

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Old white men dressing up in costumes, chanting, drinking scotch and tickling one another is a huge threat to "democracy". Who knew.

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Yes, much of that is currently true, but the history behind these ceremonies is as ancient as the crusades. You fail to understand that Islam holds grudges for 1000's of years and when they get power, they look to settle old scores. Better wake up. Freemasons are not the enemy.

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Islam has only been around 1400 years. Not 1000's.

Now the feud between Isaac and Ishmael goes back further but we would need to get into discussions on assyryians, phoenicians, canaanites, egyptians… i could go on.

And where did I say they were the enemy? I am just making fun of secret societies where grown men dress up to play a fancy version of Dungeons and Dragons.

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The enemy comment wasn't directed to anything you posted. It is directed at the UK leadership that thinks they are. Make fun all you want, but the underlying conflict rages on.

There is way more to this than meets the eye. Taking this "decree" at face value would be a mistake. Loosely, Freemasonry is to British culture as Country Clubs are to American culture. Lodges, Orders, Sects, etc.. are everywhere in the UK. The ruling Labor party is neck deep in masonry. King Charles is a master mason and we know he has already bent the knee to the rising caliphate.

I don't know what they are up to but casting freemasonry as the enemy is a front. Someone alluded to this as a test balloon to, eventually, further polically persecute other religions or groups is a very good guess.

England has gone completely overboard. Their judges are idiots. They refused to deport an Albanian man because his son would only eat chicken nuggets, and didn't like the ones available in Albania. The case was overturned, but it has been taken up at a higher court.

The fact that it was even a consideration is idiotic.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/home-news/albania-deportation-chcken-nuggets-home-office-b2695233.html

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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LCMS

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I had never heard this about LCMS. Specifically, what are their issues with Masons or masonic beliefs?

Freemasons are weird, says the Met.

Guessing they aren't to keen on a Luciferian belief system centered on ancient esoteric mystery religions and the occult.

https://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

Many Masons are great people that joined their local lodge for fellowship and philanthropy. Particularly in Texas, local lodges do a lot of good. Similar to the concept of duality that they teach, there is duality in the intentions of the organization at the top. Seen it firsthand.

If the Masons are against Islam at all, then that would explain why the UK is going after them now that the UK is a defacto Islamic state.

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My grandfather was a Mason. It's an organization of solid men, although I have read that hardcore bible beaters think they are satanic. Pretty certain he wasn't, but he was Methodist, sooooo….

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I have several very good friends who are Masons. I have talked to them several times about it. They are all god-fearing men who want take themselves and the world around them better and men whom I respect deeply. Several of them have said they thought I could become a Mason but have never actively solicited me. I just have not chosen to explore further for my own personal reasons.

In contrast I have been baptized and confirmed in a Lutheran congregation, but because it wasn't LCMS the LCMS won't permit me communion. I snuck through the communion line once, and my LCMS friend told me he wasn't sure if I was supposed to do that. I told home not to worry about it. My relationship with God and Jesus was between us and not between me and the pastor.

I have a lot of problems with the leftist tangent the ELCA has taken to the point of stopping attendance, but I also have a problem with all the bugs the LCMS has up their ass. It is too bad they have irrational fear of Freemasons

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My grandfather was a Mason. It's an organization of solid men, although I have read that hardcore bible beaters think they are satanic. Pretty certain he wasn't, but he was Methodist, sooooo….

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I am both a Mason and a Methodist. So are two other men in my Sunday School Class. As Masons, we are taught to ignore insults about our fraternity and share knowledge with people who have a genuine curiosity. Anyone can learn a lot of accurate information with an internet search directed to a Grand Lodge. HOME

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My grandfather was a Mason. It's an organization of solid men, although I have read that hardcore bible beaters think they are satanic. Pretty certain he wasn't, but he was Methodist, sooooo….

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I am both a Mason and a Methodist. So are two other men in my Sunday School Class. As Masons, we are taught to ignore insults about our fraternity and share knowledge with people who have a genuine curiosity. Anyone can learn a lot with an internet search. HOME

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Obviously I added my tongue in cheek comment at the end for a chuckle. My grandfather was a Mason, and I always saw it as a fraternal order of men who do good things and hold each other accountable.

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Most Protestant denominations, as well as Catholic and Orthodox have strong denouncements of them due to their heretical beliefs. Individual churches may have different positions.

I get it. No harm, no foul.

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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Again, what's the specific deal with Freemasons here?

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I think they have secret meetings in the steam tunnels and only drink Big Red!

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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Again, what's the specific deal with Freemasons here?

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I think they have secret meetings in the steam tunnels and only drink Big Red!

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Username checks out

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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"First they came for the Masons and I did not care because I am not a Mason."

- Martin Niemoller (slightly modified)

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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I think they have secret meetings in the steam tunnels and only drink Big Red!

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That's only for True Texans.
(Shhhh.)

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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We can't allow the Freemasons to disrupt pancake breakfast monopolies

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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I think they have secret meetings in the steam tunnels and only drink Big Red!

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We have Fanta Strawberry as well.

I've driven through Mason.

Really makes you think.

I've become aware enough of our local Free Masons to be suspect. The amount of local judges here that are masons has contributed to many miscarriages of justice---making fellow Mason's unaccountable to the law, giving un-deserved benefit, etc. The secret society is filled with enough law enforcement, money, judges, politicians, and braun that it is scary. It's destroyed victims and innocents along the way--multi-generational harm that can't be undone. Bad-doers often keep hurting and cheating when rule of law doesn't apply to them.

I only vote for judges who I know beyond a reasonable doubt that they are not Masons.

Corruption is corruption. If a group holds too much sway, it potentially got there because of corruption or becomes corrupt. A secret group is unnerving--especially when you realize its not the thing of fiction.

PS- I do not live in DC. I joined TexAgs in 1999. A lot has happened since then.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

I read somewhere that after the Battle of San Jacinto the Texans wanted to string up Santa Anna from the nearest tree. Sam Houston instead let him go. Both men were Freemasons. Houston made Santa Anna promise not to invade Texas again.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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If I understand correctly, Catholics do not want parishioners beholden to any spiritual power outside the Vatican.

Protestants get very uncomfortable with the "spirit guides" and certain ceremonies at the higher levels.

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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If I understand correctly, Catholics do not want parishioners beholden to any spiritual power outside the Vatican.

Protestants get very uncomfortable with the "spirit guides" and certain ceremonies at the higher levels.

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In other words, Freemasonry cuts out the middle man otherwise known as the Pope?

All of this is coming to the US eventually. We are not able to turn back the collapse of individual freedom. Get right with God, prepare yourself and your family for the hardship to come and the strength needed to stand for what is right despite the consequences.

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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If I understand correctly, Catholics do not want parishioners beholden to any spiritual power outside the Vatican.

Protestants get very uncomfortable with the "spirit guides" and certain ceremonies at the higher levels.

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I was told there was a plot at one time for Freemasons to assassinate the Pope.

at this point the british government should pull a chris farley in black sheep and scream i hate white people. let's just get it over with.