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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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We can't allow the Freemasons to disrupt pancake breakfast monopolies

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Who can forget the Friday Fish Fry wars during the third Crusade?

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techno-ag said:

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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If I understand correctly, Catholics do not want parishioners beholden to any spiritual power outside the Vatican.

Protestants get very uncomfortable with the "spirit guides" and certain ceremonies at the higher levels.

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I was told there was a plot at one time for Freemasons to assassinate the Pope.

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SPOILER: It was The Illuminati.

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There is way more to this than meets the eye.

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Great, now Masons are Transformers?

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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Probably the same thing that blows Catholics' skirts up

Religious indifference

Irreconcilable with Church doctrine

Secularized approach to things like marriage

Naturalist views

Religious indifference

Etc

For Lutherans -

Deistic view of God. Generic deity

Good as Supreme being as opposed to Trinitarian

Secrecy, quasi religious rituals

Etc

BenFiasco14 said:

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We will robustly defend our decision to require officers and staff to declare if they are Freemasons.

Our response to the decision by the Grand Lodge of England to seek an injunction blocking the implementation of the policy is below. pic.twitter.com/TaajGFpbW2

— Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) December 29, 2025

https://t.co/ncK0b6Mv42 pic.twitter.com/c1HfcQnjBF

— Fiona Small (@FionaSmall) December 29, 2025

Let's ignore the Muslim invasion and arresting countrymen for tweets.

Let's DEFINITELY kick out those pesky Freemasons.

I had to make sure this wasn't fake and I'm still wondering if the account was hacked.

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What potential conflict of interest are they talking about? Equally enforcing the law?

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B-1 83 said:

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techno-ag said:

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B-1 83 said:

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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Probably the same thing that blows Catholics' skirts up

Religious indifference

Irreconcilable with Church doctrine

Secularized approach to things like marriage

Naturalist views

Religious indifference

Etc

For Lutherans -

Deistic view of God. Generic deity

Good as Supreme being as opposed to Trinitarian

Secrecy, quasi religious rituals

Etc

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Reasonable answer, because I honestly don't have the foggiest idea what Freemasons practice or believe.

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I don't understand why they are voting to place these kinds of people in power.

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They are idiots. They voted against the Tories because the Tories stopped being conservative Tories I lost their way after being empowered for 15 years. Voting against the stories was, at the time, by definition of vote for Labour. The Labour Party has totally fornicated the country up so badly that after only about a year, Reform and Nigel Farage are prepared to wax both parties. All he needs to do is stand by and watch the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems self-destruct.

This will give ammunition to all the conspiracy nut jobs that think Freemasons control the world

The Kraken said:

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This will give ammunition to all the conspiracy nut jobs that think Freemasons control the world

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It all comes down to who has the best space lasers.

The Kraken said:

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This will give ammunition to all the conspiracy nut jobs that think Freemasons control the world

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Everybody knows that's the Stonecutters.

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I don't understand why they are voting to place these kinds of people in power.

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They are idiots. They voted against the Tories because the Tories stopped being conservative Tories I lost their way after being empowered for 15 years. Voting against the stories was, at the time, by definition of vote for Labour. The Labour Party has totally fornicated the country up so badly that after only about a year, Reform and Nigel Farage are prepared to wax both parties. All he needs to do is stand by and watch the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems self-destruct.

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As we saw in Germany with AfD, will the communists(other parties) cancel elections when it's apparent that Reform will win the majority?

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I don't understand why they are voting to place these kinds of people in power.

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apathy. They have it way worse than we do.

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Not the Freema$on I know.

The Kraken said:

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This will give ammunition to all the conspiracy nut jobs that think Freemasons control the world

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A drummer for AC/DC told me so, and wrote it down next to his autograph.

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BenFiasco14 said:

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We will robustly defend our decision to require officers and staff to declare if they are Freemasons.

Our response to the decision by the Grand Lodge of England to seek an injunction blocking the implementation of the policy is below. pic.twitter.com/TaajGFpbW2

— Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) December 29, 2025

https://t.co/ncK0b6Mv42 pic.twitter.com/c1HfcQnjBF

— Fiona Small (@FionaSmall) December 29, 2025

Let's ignore the Muslim invasion and arresting countrymen for tweets.

Let's DEFINITELY kick out those pesky Freemasons.

I had to make sure this wasn't fake and I'm still wondering if the account was hacked.

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What potential conflict of interest are they talking about? Equally enforcing the law?

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There's a long history of secret societies in Europe, not just the Masons although they're maybe the most famous. There's probably some cultural undercurrents going on that we're less aware of.

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Are Britain's politicians bought my Middle East oil money?

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Yes.

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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This is specifically about the British police requiring officers to disclose they're Masons. The reasoning is that they're a fraternal order that is sworn to help/protect other Masons. British progressives think that creates a conduct of interest for officers who are Masons and have accused them of corruption and cover-ups, but they conveniently leave out the requirements that the Masons not do so if it would violate the law. They have never had proof beyond conjecture and rumor, but for them that's enough to condemn anyone who isn't one of the favored classes.

There are allegations that some cops who were Masons threw a murder case in the 80's as a cover up for another prominent Mason accused of the crime. Nothing has ever been proven about it having anything to do with them being Freemasons and not just a corrupt group of friends. It's basically the UK version of the Karen Reed case, but there is a rush by progressives to blame Freemasonry instead of just general police corruption.

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This will give ammunition to all the conspiracy nut jobs that think Freemasons control the world

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Everybody knows that's the Stonecutters.

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Who keeps the martians under wraps?
We do…
We do…

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My grandfather was a Mason. It's an organization of solid men, although I have read that hardcore bible beaters think they are satanic. Pretty certain he wasn't, but he was Methodist, sooooo….

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I have several very good friends who are Masons. I have talked to them several times about it. They are all god-fearing men who want take themselves and the world around them better and men whom I respect deeply. Several of them have said they thought I could become a Mason but have never actively solicited me. I just have not chosen to explore further for my own personal reasons.

In contrast I have been baptized and confirmed in a Lutheran congregation, but because it wasn't LCMS the LCMS won't permit me communion. I snuck through the communion line once, and my LCMS friend told me he wasn't sure if I was supposed to do that. I told home not to worry about it. My relationship with God and Jesus was between us and not between me and the pastor.

I have a lot of problems with the leftist tangent the ELCA has taken to the point of stopping attendance, but I also have a problem with all the bugs the LCMS has up their ass. It is too bad they have irrational fear of Freemasons

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Not sure which church you go to, but that wouldn't be the case with our LCMS church RE: communion. All we ask is a) are you a baptized believer in Jesus, b) do you believe this is the body/blood of Christ given to you, & c) are you repentant and attempting to work on your sinful nature. If you answer "yes" to all three, you're more than welcome at our communion. I was ELCA growing up, and that's where I was baptized and confirmed. No issue at all with me receiving communion now that I'm going to LCMS church.

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TexasAggie81 said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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We will robustly defend our decision to require officers and staff to declare if they are Freemasons.

Our response to the decision by the Grand Lodge of England to seek an injunction blocking the implementation of the policy is below. pic.twitter.com/TaajGFpbW2

— Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) December 29, 2025

https://t.co/ncK0b6Mv42 pic.twitter.com/c1HfcQnjBF

— Fiona Small (@FionaSmall) December 29, 2025

Let's ignore the Muslim invasion and arresting countrymen for tweets.

Let's DEFINITELY kick out those pesky Freemasons.

I had to make sure this wasn't fake and I'm still wondering if the account was hacked.

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What potential conflict of interest are they talking about? Equally enforcing the law?

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There's a long history of secret societies in Europe, not just the Masons although they're maybe the most famous. There's probably some cultural undercurrents going on that we're less aware of.

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My grandfather was in The Eagles.

The Fraternal Order of, not the band with that asshat Don Henley.

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I've driven through Mason.

Really makes you think.

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Mason is the gateway to Doss. Thats why people are scared of it

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Captain Pablo said:

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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Probably the same thing that blows Catholics' skirts up

Religious indifference

Irreconcilable with Church doctrine

Secularized approach to things like marriage

Naturalist views

Religious indifference

Etc

For Lutherans -

Deistic view of God. Generic deity

Good as Supreme being as opposed to Trinitarian

Secrecy, quasi religious rituals

Etc

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Reasonable answer, because I honestly don't have the foggiest idea what Freemasons practice or believe.

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I personally don't have a problem with Freemasons. I just told my husband last night that when I die, I'll probably split what I have left and donate 50% to Shriner's Children's Hospital and 50% to St. Jude's.

But this is a quick blurb about why LCMS won't grant them membership.

Lamb of God, you take away the sin of the world. have mercy on us.

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I know our church won't knowingly grant membership to Freemasons due to some of their beliefs.

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Like what? Which church?

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Catholics in particular. That's one of the reasons they have the Knights of Columbus.

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I'm a 3rd degree Knight, and knew that one, but wasn't sure about other churches and exactly what the Freemasons do that blows everybody else's skirts up.

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If I understand correctly, Catholics do not want parishioners beholden to any spiritual power outside the Vatican.

Protestants get very uncomfortable with the "spirit guides" and certain ceremonies at the higher levels.

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In other words, Freemasonry cuts out the middle man otherwise known as the Pope?

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Hey hey we're bagging on the 300-year old global secretive order intent on world domination, not the 2000-year old one

I'm sure they are just as diligent that officers announce they are gay, correct?

If I've been ass raped, I must know if the responding officer thinks I'm just being dramatic.

Let's also make every cashier wear a badge on their forhead if they've been arrested in the past.

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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Ok but if a police force wanted to exclude communists or terrorists, I'd think we'd have broad support for that here, and be okay with that exclusion on all those same grounds you mention. You don't give bad people who hate your society charge of your society's institution that monopolizes violence.

Again, what's the specific deal with Freemasons here?

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Not sure. I would presume it has mostly to do with their conservative views. London has politically been taken over by leftist and Islamic sympathizers. These types will not tolerate any opposing views.

I've been LCMS member since I was confirmed in the 8th grade. I know what the church position is, but I think they take this too far. Biblically speaking God requires repentance, which involves not just forgiveness, but the turning away from sin. It's the same thing as what LCMS says when they ask that you have confessed your sins and are working to avoid sinful actions.

I think most Masons would tell you this is the idea behind the purity of the lambskin; it's not that you are perfect, but that you are trying to live a Godly and faithful life. They don't believe it's the good works alone that get you into heaven, it's that the 'good works' are a manifestation of the turning away from sin.

Maybe I'm seeing this wrong but that's what I think.

Burdizzo said:

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Squadron7 said:

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I've driven through Mason.

Really makes you think.

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Mason is the gateway to Doss. Thats why people are scared of it

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And, as we all know, DOS is the gateway to Windows.

TexasAggie81 said:

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Pizza said:

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I don't understand why they are voting to place these kinds of people in power.

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They are idiots. They voted against the Tories because the Tories stopped being conservative Tories I lost their way after being empowered for 15 years. Voting against the stories was, at the time, by definition of vote for Labour. The Labour Party has totally fornicated the country up so badly that after only about a year, Reform and Nigel Farage are prepared to wax both parties. All he needs to do is stand by and watch the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems self-destruct.

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Man, I hope you're right

Burdizzo said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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We will robustly defend our decision to require officers and staff to declare if they are Freemasons.

Our response to the decision by the Grand Lodge of England to seek an injunction blocking the implementation of the policy is below. pic.twitter.com/TaajGFpbW2

— Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) December 29, 2025

https://t.co/ncK0b6Mv42 pic.twitter.com/c1HfcQnjBF

— Fiona Small (@FionaSmall) December 29, 2025

Let's ignore the Muslim invasion and arresting countrymen for tweets.

Let's DEFINITELY kick out those pesky Freemasons.

I had to make sure this wasn't fake and I'm still wondering if the account was hacked.

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What potential conflict of interest are they talking about? Equally enforcing the law?

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There's a long history of secret societies in Europe, not just the Masons although they're maybe the most famous. There's probably some cultural undercurrents going on that we're less aware of.

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My grandfather was in The Eagles.

The Fraternal Order of, not the band with that asshat Don Henley.

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Honestly, The Eagles are the greatest band ever.

I wish your grandfather was in the band so I could listen to him on the stereo while I watch TV, cuz I like to party.

Freemasons are hated because they undercut the business of for-profit masons.

My simple Google search claimed the main reason Catholics dislike Freemasons is Religious Indifferentism. But how do Catholics view that term compared to Freemasons or even other religions. The real question to pose both a Catholic, a Freemason, or any religion is what is your path to "salvation." If it includes more that through Jesus Christ one or both sides won't like it. What i mean is ask a Catholic if someone has to "be Catholic" to receive salvation. Compared to if you ask a FreeMason if you have to believe Jesus is the Son of God, which is what most Fouding Fathers that were Freemasons, didn't believe. Since I am not a Freemason i have no idea if that is what is taught in their secret meetings.

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My simple Google search claimed the main reason Catholics dislike Freemasons is Religious Indifferentism. But how do Catholics view that term compared to Freemasons or even other religions. The real question to pose both a Catholic, a Freemason, or any religion is what is your path to "salvation." If it includes more that through Jesus Christ one or both sides won't like it. What i mean is ask a Catholic if someone has to "be Catholic" to receive salvation. Compared to if you ask a FreeMason if you have to believe Jesus is the Son of God, which is what most Fouding Fathers that were Freemasons, didn't believe. Since I am not a Freemason i have no idea if that is what is taught in their secret meetings.

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Freemasonry is a fraternal order, but it is neither a religion nor a political party. It is inappropriate to speak about either subject in a lodge meeting. I have been a Mason for 20 years in Texas and all of the Masons I have known are Christians including three ordained Protestant ministers. One elderly man was a Catholic and he died this year. He was a mayor of a local town for 12 years and a very respected citizen. HOME

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Freemasons are hated because they undercut the business of for-profit masons.

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I figured it was the secret handshakes…

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Jason C. said:

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Honest question, why do we care about Masons?

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We care about civil liberties, individual freedoms, free speech. This isn't about Free Masons, it's about ethics, morals, freedom, free speech, individual liberties.

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Ok but if a police force wanted to exclude communists or terrorists, I'd think we'd have broad support for that here, and be okay with that exclusion on all those same grounds you mention. You don't give bad people who hate your society charge of your society's institution that monopolizes violence.

Again, what's the specific deal with Freemasons here?

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Not sure. I would presume it has mostly to do with their conservative views. London has politically been taken over by leftist and Islamic sympathizers. These types will not tolerate any opposing views.

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Thanks for venturing a guess. I can only presume that's the case but then again Freemasons are pretty diverse among rites. The Catholic masons I have known (not many since it's explicitly disallowed to belong to any secret societies) are all liberals or "CM" at best.

I'd love to find out there's like a British style fight club opposed to Mayor Khan, tackling him in a bathroom to put a rubber band on his balls. But I highly doubt it.

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My simple Google search claimed the main reason Catholics dislike Freemasons is Religious Indifferentism. But how do Catholics view that term compared to Freemasons or even other religions. The real question to pose both a Catholic, a Freemason, or any religion is what is your path to "salvation." If it includes more that through Jesus Christ one or both sides won't like it. What i mean is ask a Catholic if someone has to "be Catholic" to receive salvation. Compared to if you ask a FreeMason if you have to believe Jesus is the Son of God, which is what most Fouding Fathers that were Freemasons, didn't believe. Since I am not a Freemason i have no idea if that is what is taught in their secret meetings.

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Freemasonry is a fraternal order, but it is neither a religion nor a political party. It is inappropriate to speak about either subject in a lodge meeting. I have been a Mason for 20 years in Texas and all of the Masons I have known are Christians including three ordained Protestant ministers. One elderly man was a Catholic and he died this year. He was a mayor of a local town for 12 years and a very respected citizen. HOME

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It's not a religion of course but historically it's clearly been a major driver of liberalism and modernism ("just believe in the great architect of the universe and everything else is unimportant") in all western religious institutions; same with politics, it's consistently been at least an organizing force for liberalizing tendencies in the West.

Are Bubba Joe and Pastor Fred in 2025 still a part of that? I doubt it. The same tendencies freemasonry promoted in the 18th and 19th centuries sapped it of its institutional religious and political influence as well, so it's probably like you say - merely a harmless fraternal order with mostly good dudes.