Minneapolis getting Hot? [Staff Warning. Take Note]

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Why is Minnesota so messed up. So entirely run by the lib mob. It is primarily a state with a very high degree of Scandinavian immigrants.

Things we know;
1) the dem party set up a voting fraud scheme many years ago. This gives the state a permanent lib control of state house.
2) The dems then work closely with NGOs to bring in tens of thousands of Somalis and other socialist/radical groups.
3) other NGO funded groups help the Somalis in pilfering goverment support funds (Ifeed the hungry programs, education and childcare services that put millions of dollars in their hands
4) the makes a few of them very rich and the rest is sent home to likely fund terrorist orgs in Somalia.
5) The somalis and other immigrant groups send some of their largess back to dem voter efforts to keep the graft near permanent.
6) Now these rackets were recently exposed. This puts the entire scheme at risk of vanishing overnight.
7) The democrats are in league with international group or "cartel" of organizations (some NGOs, some CCP backed groups, some WEF type funded groups) to own a blue state it likely would never own without its mob tactics. The actions the past few weeks are extremely well run psyops and military counter-intel type operations. Signal communications, hundreds of watchers, some people in law enforcement to run plates and find out where ICE is staying each day.

Q: Why?

A: This state is the tip of the spear to bring down a) Trump, b) functioning US government and the rule of law, c) harm the US with respect to its projection of "conservative" or liberty loving agenda across the globe.

This same group of global agitators is trying to harm Trump and the election later this year just as BLM harmed Trump and just as COVID harmed Trump in 2020. They have done lots of polling and they know that while is immigration policies are popular they know they can drive up his negatives on this one policy by getting people hurt, getting some people killed and portraying it all as gestapo tactics. They dont care about hurting people. They know the images are helpful to drive up the negatives with women, especially white suburban women who went big for Trump just 13 months ago.
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Aggie4Christ09 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

He showed up with a gun. He interfered with a law enforcement operation. He got killed. End of story.

I can think of several other choices he could have made to prevent this.


114th request. Where does he interfere?


Every single thing he did was interfering. That was his entire purpose for being there. Absolutely ZERO reason for him to be there otherwise. This was not random.

Really dumb decision in the first place. Even dumber to do it while armed (not saying he can't but it's dumb). And epically stupid to jump in the middle of anything and not follow instructions or resist.


A volatile situation in which you are actively interfering and armed and not complying has 1000 variables that you do not control.

He may not have deserved it. But he earned it.
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I like this new name for the twin cities, Snowgadishu. Relevant for multiple reasons.
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The Unforgiven said:

I like this new name for the twin cities, Snowgadishu. Relevant for multiple reasons.

I like that...Homogadishu works as well, in the non-winter months.
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RED AG 98 said:

Pretty much where I am on this



Quote:

The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:

- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God's image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic

- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti's killing

- I am not sure DHS messaging on Pretti's death has been completely accurate or helpful

- The chaos that led to their deaths is in large part due to local law enforcement refusing keep the public from impeding ICE and local politicians stoking the flames by calling ICE "Gestapo"

- ICE and border patrol agents, by and large, do a good, compassionate job that is very difficult. Like any group - teachers, pastors, social workers, etc - there will be those who are corrupt or bad at their jobs, and it's ok to acknowledge that if apparent

- ICE's job is necessary and good. Removing illegal aliens, including those who have committed heinous crimes against American children, should be able to be done without conflict. This is normal business that has been conducted in similar ways under both R and D administrations. The chaos is not caused by Trump. It is caused by those who hate Trump

- America, like every country, has the right and responsibility to defend its borders, protect citizenship, and enforce immigration law. This is necessary for national sovereignty. This is not "kidnapping," and it's not just violent criminals who need to be deported.

- Lots of overlap between those decrying ICE and those who: never said a word about immigration enforcement under Biden & Obama, have never expressed concern about the lives lost because of illegal immigration, support abortion, or accused Charlie Kirk of racism in the days following his murder. I am 100% uninterested in what these people have to say about morality or justice.




This is where I am, as well.

All these posts pointing at the two shootings as reasons why ICE shouldn't be there are idiotic. Bad things happen when you attack law enforcement or resist arrest. People will get hurt. Especially when you are specifically targeting law enforcement.

Address each situation with an investigation and determine the best path forward. However, you don't just throw your hands up and say, "oh well! I guess we should just leave, now." ICE is in Minnesota legally. ICE is exercising their legal duty. The American people voted for them to deport illegals. Just because leftists decided to turn Minneapolis into a warzone does not convince me we should stop. If anything, I say send more feds. Shut these riots and insurrectionists down.

If more insurrectionists get shot because they are actively impeding federal law enforcement from doing their jobs, then so be it. **** happens when you **** around like you're at war. With most of these videos I see, I'm actually amazed at the restraint of these ICE officers. They definitely handle these situations better than I would if someone attacked me.
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Ramdiesel said:

Geminiv said:

tylercsbn9 said:

aggrad02 said:

Old Army Ghost said:

unmade bed said:

Who?mikejones! said:

I've seen the video. Obstruction is just being there after being ordered to move.

He is clearly out there in the middle of the street waving a car through and not letting another through. He does have a phone in his hand, so he was "filming" too. Multi tasking.

We know how this scheme works. The idea is they have blockers that are to slow down ice movements, while also trailing ice honking horns and lots of whistles as a warning siren.

As presented earlier in the thread, this obstruction isnt random, its coordinated.

The only people that ice intervened with were the 3 in the street. There were obviously dozens others filming the scene


Here is the video, where do you see him "not letting another through"? Which car is he blocking??

The ICE vehicles are all the vehicles on the other side of the street facing the OTHER direction. He is not blocking ICE or any other vehicles.


looked like he attack the lady after he makes the car stop
he was out making trouble and it is good the cops stopped him before he did whatever harm he was trying to do


What is interesting is that news reports that he was shot 9 times, but I heard 10 shots, 1 followed by 9 in close proximity. Do you think it is possible that the gun went off when the ice agent was pulling it out snd that fire caused the other officer to respond? The first shot even sounds different than the next 9.


Look at this video angle, can someone tell if the gun went off in the gray coat ice guys hand cause the other guy to fire at the protestor thinking it was coming from him? (Ignore the x posters opinion on ice, its just a good video angle).





I think the guys gun had some sort of accidental discharge which cause him to get shot. This case seems far, far more likely to be a **** up by ICE than Renee Good.

But as I've said this will happen and will continue to happen with the immense pressure they are under in Minnesota thanks to the politicians up there. These issues aren't prevalent elsewhere which is why we don't see the issues. Waltz and Frey are refusing to assist in any manner (in fact they're fanning flames) which puts both ICE and the protesters in a dangerous situation.

Situations like we've seen with Good and the one today that force these officers to make split second decisions under immense pressure and opposition.


Accidental discharge? Appears the took his weapon and then shots were fired. I know its pointless to argue these points here in 2026 because people are going to see what they want. But bottom line these officers need better training before they are released on the public in a hostile situation. If we had decent adult rational individuals in charge maybe perhaps we could acknowledge that.


By "better training" I assume you mean law enforcement should back out of these dangerous situations before someine gets hurt? LOL! Then no laws get enforced...Maybe the public, specifically protesters, need training on what exactly "peaceful" protest means.

What is supposed to happen is local LEO's are supposed to come in and keep the agitators away from the ICE operation…

By standing down local LEOs, there's no buffer between the federal officers and the agitators, and in a handful of communities, it boils over into something that gets out of control…

If local LEOs would just be there to do their jobs, the two morons who lost their lives would probably still be sucking air…

But with the local departments being told to stand down and offer no assistance whatsoever, you greatly increase the likelihood of something getting out of control and someone losing a life…
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If local LEOs would just be there to do their jobs

Hard to do when the commie rats that run that state and city ordered them to stand down.
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Trump has talked to Frey

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Libs will 100% search through social media the next time they are in power (hopefully never) for anyone that did not "express enough gratitude" over these two completely preventable incidents and have them fired from work. I would not put it past them at all.
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Lathspell said:

RED AG 98 said:

Pretty much where I am on this



Quote:

The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:

- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God's image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic

- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti's killing

- I am not sure DHS messaging on Pretti's death has been completely accurate or helpful

- The chaos that led to their deaths is in large part due to local law enforcement refusing keep the public from impeding ICE and local politicians stoking the flames by calling ICE "Gestapo"

- ICE and border patrol agents, by and large, do a good, compassionate job that is very difficult. Like any group - teachers, pastors, social workers, etc - there will be those who are corrupt or bad at their jobs, and it's ok to acknowledge that if apparent

- ICE's job is necessary and good. Removing illegal aliens, including those who have committed heinous crimes against American children, should be able to be done without conflict. This is normal business that has been conducted in similar ways under both R and D administrations. The chaos is not caused by Trump. It is caused by those who hate Trump

- America, like every country, has the right and responsibility to defend its borders, protect citizenship, and enforce immigration law. This is necessary for national sovereignty. This is not "kidnapping," and it's not just violent criminals who need to be deported.

- Lots of overlap between those decrying ICE and those who: never said a word about immigration enforcement under Biden & Obama, have never expressed concern about the lives lost because of illegal immigration, support abortion, or accused Charlie Kirk of racism in the days following his murder. I am 100% uninterested in what these people have to say about morality or justice.




This is where I am, as well.

All these posts pointing at the two shootings as reasons why ICE shouldn't be there are idiotic. Bad things happen when you attack law enforcement or resist arrest. People will get hurt. Especially when you are specifically targeting law enforcement.

Address each situation with an investigation and determine the best path forward. However, you don't just throw your hands up and say, "oh well! I guess we should just leave, now." ICE is in Minnesota legally. ICE is exercising their legal duty. The American people voted for them to deport illegals. Just because leftists decided to turn Minneapolis into a warzone does not convince me we should stop. If anything, I say send more feds. Shut these riots and insurrectionists down.

If more insurrectionists get shot because they are actively impeding federal law enforcement from doing their jobs, then so be it. **** happens when you **** around like you're at war. With most of these videos I see, I'm actually amazed at the restraint of these ICE officers. They definitely handle these situations better than I would if someone attacked me.


Yep. they are two blatant and clear examples of why you should not interfere.

I will equate it to the No Kings protests. Those and these actions accomplished absolutely nothing.

But at the very least nobody died in the No Kings protests - well a bystander was shot by a volunteer on accident but no deaths involving law enforcement. Why? Because they were mostly peaceful and not directly obstructing or interfering (other than being a general nuisance).

These two deaths were absolutely meaningless. But they were people that mattered to some (not being callous, just saying I don't know them). And nothing would be any different if they did not involve themselves except that they would be alive.

Thats's tragic I suppose. I have hard time mustering sympathy when people make stupid choices.
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FireAg said:



But with the local departments being told to stand down and offer no assistance whatsoever, you greatly increase the likelihood of something getting out of control and someone losing a life…

Which is the plan.

With no platform to stand on, the democrats want another BLM wave. Forment chaos, then point to the chaos. "See, things aren't chaotic when we are in charge"

At least this time, their martyr isn't a criminal drug-peddling low life. Will this one get a golden casket? Probably not, since he was white.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

Lathspell said:

RED AG 98 said:

Pretty much where I am on this



Quote:

The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:

- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God's image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic

- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti's killing

- I am not sure DHS messaging on Pretti's death has been completely accurate or helpful

- The chaos that led to their deaths is in large part due to local law enforcement refusing keep the public from impeding ICE and local politicians stoking the flames by calling ICE "Gestapo"

- ICE and border patrol agents, by and large, do a good, compassionate job that is very difficult. Like any group - teachers, pastors, social workers, etc - there will be those who are corrupt or bad at their jobs, and it's ok to acknowledge that if apparent

- ICE's job is necessary and good. Removing illegal aliens, including those who have committed heinous crimes against American children, should be able to be done without conflict. This is normal business that has been conducted in similar ways under both R and D administrations. The chaos is not caused by Trump. It is caused by those who hate Trump

- America, like every country, has the right and responsibility to defend its borders, protect citizenship, and enforce immigration law. This is necessary for national sovereignty. This is not "kidnapping," and it's not just violent criminals who need to be deported.

- Lots of overlap between those decrying ICE and those who: never said a word about immigration enforcement under Biden & Obama, have never expressed concern about the lives lost because of illegal immigration, support abortion, or accused Charlie Kirk of racism in the days following his murder. I am 100% uninterested in what these people have to say about morality or justice.




This is where I am, as well.

All these posts pointing at the two shootings as reasons why ICE shouldn't be there are idiotic. Bad things happen when you attack law enforcement or resist arrest. People will get hurt. Especially when you are specifically targeting law enforcement.

Address each situation with an investigation and determine the best path forward. However, you don't just throw your hands up and say, "oh well! I guess we should just leave, now." ICE is in Minnesota legally. ICE is exercising their legal duty. The American people voted for them to deport illegals. Just because leftists decided to turn Minneapolis into a warzone does not convince me we should stop. If anything, I say send more feds. Shut these riots and insurrectionists down.

If more insurrectionists get shot because they are actively impeding federal law enforcement from doing their jobs, then so be it. **** happens when you **** around like you're at war. With most of these videos I see, I'm actually amazed at the restraint of these ICE officers. They definitely handle these situations better than I would if someone attacked me.


Yep. they are two blatant and clear examples of why you should not interfere.

I will equate it to the No Kings protests. Those and these actions accomplished absolutely nothing.

But at the very least nobody died in the No Kings protests - well a bystander was shot by a volunteer on accident but no deaths involving law enforcement. Why? Because they were mostly peaceful and not directly obstructing or interfering (other than being a general nuisance).

These two deaths were absolutely meaningless. But they were people that mattered to some (not being callous, just saying I don't know them). And nothing would be any different if they did not involve themselves except that they would be alive.

Thats's tragic I suppose. I have hard time mustering sympathy when people make stupid choices.

It is tragic. We've all made stupid choices. It is sad when a series of stupid (or unfortunate) choices lead to a death.
But then, if you listen to folks like Tampon Tim, then you are at least partly responsible for your predicament.
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FireAg said:

Ramdiesel said:

Geminiv said:

tylercsbn9 said:

aggrad02 said:

Old Army Ghost said:

unmade bed said:

Who?mikejones! said:

I've seen the video. Obstruction is just being there after being ordered to move.

He is clearly out there in the middle of the street waving a car through and not letting another through. He does have a phone in his hand, so he was "filming" too. Multi tasking.

We know how this scheme works. The idea is they have blockers that are to slow down ice movements, while also trailing ice honking horns and lots of whistles as a warning siren.

As presented earlier in the thread, this obstruction isnt random, its coordinated.

The only people that ice intervened with were the 3 in the street. There were obviously dozens others filming the scene


Here is the video, where do you see him "not letting another through"? Which car is he blocking??

The ICE vehicles are all the vehicles on the other side of the street facing the OTHER direction. He is not blocking ICE or any other vehicles.



looked like he attack the lady after he makes the car stop
he was out making trouble and it is good the cops stopped him before he did whatever harm he was trying to do


What is interesting is that news reports that he was shot 9 times, but I heard 10 shots, 1 followed by 9 in close proximity. Do you think it is possible that the gun went off when the ice agent was pulling it out snd that fire caused the other officer to respond? The first shot even sounds different than the next 9.


Look at this video angle, can someone tell if the gun went off in the gray coat ice guys hand cause the other guy to fire at the protestor thinking it was coming from him? (Ignore the x posters opinion on ice, its just a good video angle).





I think the guys gun had some sort of accidental discharge which cause him to get shot. This case seems far, far more likely to be a **** up by ICE than Renee Good.

But as I've said this will happen and will continue to happen with the immense pressure they are under in Minnesota thanks to the politicians up there. These issues aren't prevalent elsewhere which is why we don't see the issues. Waltz and Frey are refusing to assist in any manner (in fact they're fanning flames) which puts both ICE and the protesters in a dangerous situation.

Situations like we've seen with Good and the one today that force these officers to make split second decisions under immense pressure and opposition.


Accidental discharge? Appears the took his weapon and then shots were fired. I know its pointless to argue these points here in 2026 because people are going to see what they want. But bottom line these officers need better training before they are released on the public in a hostile situation. If we had decent adult rational individuals in charge maybe perhaps we could acknowledge that.


By "better training" I assume you mean law enforcement should back out of these dangerous situations before someine gets hurt? LOL! Then no laws get enforced...Maybe the public, specifically protesters, need training on what exactly "peaceful" protest means.

What is supposed to happen is local LEO's are supposed to come in and keep the agitators away from the ICE operation…

By standing down local LEOs, there's no buffer between the federal officers and the agitators, and in a handful of communities, it boils over into something that gets out of control…

If local LEOs would just be there to do their jobs, the two morons who lost their lives would probably still be sucking air…

But with the local departments being told to stand down and offer no assistance whatsoever, you greatly increase the likelihood of something getting out of control and someone losing a life…

It's not only that they ICE has no assistance, it's that it forces them to try and maintain crowd control, which they are not trained to do. It takes them off their main task and forces them to divide their duties and perform under conditions for which they are not equipped or trained.

100% set the table for bad things to occur. It sends a signal to the mob that anything goes. This one sits not only at the stupidity of the deceased, but at the feet of Walz, the mayors, and county sheriffs that pulled their support and failed to live up to their oaths.
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And the oh so obvious left are turning this into leverage over Trump's spending bill. Dip**** leftists in Minneapolis will never understand how their safety and lives were put in danger over nothing more than a purely political negotiating tactic by the disgusting leaders they fawn over.
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GeorgiAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

What is a "military style pistol"?

If you don't need to load the powder, wadding, and ball into the barrel and fires only a single shot (great for duels), it's one of them military style pistols the founding fathers never intended anyone but special forces to own.

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Private Cannon Ownership in Early America
At least try and do an internet search before making claims.
  • develop, manufacture, stockpile, and sell cannon to meet the demand of private individuals as well as the government.
And I am not a gun aficionado. But seems to me the cannon at this time was the ultimate weapon of war.
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13B said:

Author Larry Correia encapsulates my thoughts on this perfectly:

It's amazing how dishonest the framing is today.
I don't know if this shooting is justified or not yet. Nobody does. Anybody who pretends they know for sure is a partisan hack talking out their rear
However, if you provoke hundreds of confrontations, over and over, with the same bunch of feds, you can't pretend to be surprised when something bad eventually happens.
Just off the math alone, with humans being human, if you force them into a bunch of altercations a day, eventually somebody is gonna get shot.
Everybody with a brain knows this. Useful idiots act like there's no such thing as context and every incident exits in a vacuum of perfect clarity. The politicians pushing this know it. It's just playing the odds, and truth is they are happy for more useful idiots to die.
This whole thing has got nothing to do with immigration. It's just the never ending continuation of the left's perpetual temper tantrum to punish America whenever we vote wrong.
Then you've got the left trying to shame the right into assisting them in their attempt to destroy us. "We thought you didn't like the feds. Hypocrites. Boot lickers" etc.
On the contrary. We distrust and dislike the government. But we DESPISE communists.
In this case the people demanding we go shoot the cops who are enforcing the laws WE VOTED FOR, don't hesitate to use the feds as a club against us whenever they are in charge. The Venn diagram of dishonest scumbags crying "boot licker" today with scumbags who said they were going to use the Army to take our guns and kill us if we resist, look like a stack of pancakes.
Nobody is this gullible. And yes, this is very much a left verses right issue. People like to pretend otherwise, but we all know that's bull hockey.
This is a repeat of the great Democrat temper tantrum of 2020, and they're hoping for a similar outcome. The fact this is happening in the same corrupt, commie poop hole as last time should be a clue.
Dishonest trash are framing this as out of control Gestapo feds grabbing an innocent CCW guy off the streets and executing him. Which seems to be skipping some mighty big steps in this particular equation, but that's where we're at now.
So it's the usual thing where lefties do a bunch of stuff, cause trouble, destroy society, something bad inevitably happens, and then they cry about it until we put them back in power so they can stomp on our necks with impunity.
The part they miss is that most of us really don't like the government, but we actively fear it when they're in charge. And spare us the tears, moral equivalence shills, they are gleefully worse.
It isn't that the left suddenly cares about the plight of poor "immigrants". They care about winning and consolidating power. Illegal populations give them more numbers for congressional seats and more opportunities for fraud. That's it.
Only the most gullible of idiots believe their crap about Literally Hitler Fascist Racist whatever. It's a bunch of histrionic theater kids cosplaying being victims, and they are so terrified of the actual Gestapo that they go out and annoy them all day, as sensible people do.
The only thing I wonder about is to what extent normie America is going to fall for this scam again?


***edited slightly for bad words***




Great post, thanks. Quoting for those who may have missed it through these hundreds of pages.


Also requesting people just hit reply instead of quote posts with pics or X links of psycho libs like the green haired "female" recently. Seeing that type of filth once is bad enough, we don't need to see it through multiple posts and pages.


ULTRA MAGA
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I would think that those same founding fathers at that time were dealing with shot, and ball ammo in both straight bore and rifled barrels. There was some really revolutionary stuff going on just like current times.
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Horn_in_Aggieland said:



1. Fine but give the illegals to the Feds when releasing them from jail like Noem said.

2. Fine, do a joint investigation. Good shoot is a good shoot. Pretti probably isn't a bad shot.

3. Fine, as long as the citizens aren't impeding operations.

4. No. You're getting the other four requests.

5. Fine, no quota but Feds won't be stopping operations.


Looks like this is where we're heading today.

Notice nothing was said today about masks. Protesters shouldn't be impeding if local police are helping. And operations will continue.
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techno-ag said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

You cannot legally carry while committing a felony.

Precisely what felony was it?
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FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

Cites for him not carrying his license and id?
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samurai_science said:

FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?

I looked it up in the Minnesota statutes and it clearly says that you need both.
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eric76 said:

techno-ag said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

You cannot legally carry while committing a felony.

Precisely what felony was it?


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eric76 said:

techno-ag said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

You cannot legally carry while committing a felony.

Precisely what felony was it?

Interfering with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents conducting duties is primarily prosecuted under 18 U.S.C. 111, which makes it a federal crime to forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with a federal officer. Penalties range from fines and up to 1 year in prison for simple interference to up to 20 years if a dangerous weapon or bodily injury is involved.
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Isn't illegal carry a felony itself, without the rest caught on multiple phones?
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Noem is going to be gone in a couple of weeks; Trump starting to realize that ****s don't necessary make good Cabinet members.
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eric76 said:

samurai_science said:

FireAg said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

Allegedly he did...however, it was not with him at the time...nor was his ID...

MN CHL laws require you have photo ID and your license with you at all times if you are carrying a concealed firearm...

One of the talking points was you didnt need your ID with you, i guess that was debunked?

I looked it up in the Minnesota statutes and it clearly says that you need both.


Did you read the penalty section? I ask, because I did, and the penalty is a $25 fine but if you show up to court with the permit, it's a mandatory dismissal.

So yes, it's technically unlawful to not have your permit while you're carrying, but it's the same level of unlawful as driving without your driver's license on your person.
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eric76 said:

techno-ag said:

eric76 said:

FireAg said:

He was in illegal possession of a concealed firearm and then put himself in a situation that put his life at great risk, very much in part due to the illegal firearm, and he paid for his choice with his life...

Cites?

Reports are that he had a license to carry.

You cannot legally carry while committing a felony.

Precisely what felony was it?

The very moment Alex Pretti made physical contact with the first CBP officer he committed a forcible federal felony good for 8 years in a federal penitentiary, under 18 USC sub sec111.

THE MOMENT you step into the arrest space, grab the officer OR suspect, block the act of handcuffing or Refuse to back up after lawful command you have committed a felony of Obstruction of Justice 18 U.S.C. sub sec 1503 good for 8 years in a federal penitentiary.

As far as him legally carrying a concealed weapon, when he came to the scene armed without his wallet containing his picture ID and his permit to conceal carry, he forfeited his right to claim legally carrying. Minnesota Statutes sub sec 624.714, Subdivision 1(a), A permit holder must have both:
  • Their permit card (Permit to Carry a Pistol), and
  • A driver's license, state ID card, or other government-issued photo identification on their person at all times when carrying a pistol in public.
Anything else Kemosabe?





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RED AG 98 said:

Pretty much where I am on this



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The things I and many simultaneously believe to be true:

- I wish Renee Good and Alex Pretti were still alive. They were people made in God's image whose lives had value, and their deaths are tragic

- I still am unclear about the true story surrounding Pretti's killing

- I am not sure DHS messaging on Pretti's death has been completely accurate or helpful

- The chaos that led to their deaths is in large part due to local law enforcement refusing keep the public from impeding ICE and local politicians stoking the flames by calling ICE "Gestapo"

- ICE and border patrol agents, by and large, do a good, compassionate job that is very difficult. Like any group - teachers, pastors, social workers, etc - there will be those who are corrupt or bad at their jobs, and it's ok to acknowledge that if apparent

- ICE's job is necessary and good. Removing illegal aliens, including those who have committed heinous crimes against American children, should be able to be done without conflict. This is normal business that has been conducted in similar ways under both R and D administrations. The chaos is not caused by Trump. It is caused by those who hate Trump

- America, like every country, has the right and responsibility to defend its borders, protect citizenship, and enforce immigration law. This is necessary for national sovereignty. This is not "kidnapping," and it's not just violent criminals who need to be deported.

- Lots of overlap between those decrying ICE and those who: never said a word about immigration enforcement under Biden & Obama, have never expressed concern about the lives lost because of illegal immigration, support abortion, or accused Charlie Kirk of racism in the days following his murder. I am 100% uninterested in what these people have to say about morality or justice.




This is where I am, as well.

All these posts pointing at the two shootings as reasons why ICE shouldn't be there are idiotic. Bad things happen when you attack law enforcement or resist arrest. People will get hurt. Especially when you are specifically targeting law enforcement.

Address each situation with an investigation and determine the best path forward. However, you don't just throw your hands up and say, "oh well! I guess we should just leave, now." ICE is in Minnesota legally. ICE is exercising their legal duty. The American people voted for them to deport illegals. Just because leftists decided to turn Minneapolis into a warzone does not convince me we should stop. If anything, I say send more feds. Shut these riots and insurrectionists down.

If more insurrectionists get shot because they are actively impeding federal law enforcement from doing their jobs, then so be it. **** happens when you **** around like you're at war. With most of these videos I see, I'm actually amazed at the restraint of these ICE officers. They definitely handle these situations better than I would if someone attacked me.

Once again, Adam Carolla nailed the entire Minneapolis strategy when he described liberals and chaos.

I am more convinced than ever that in the end, this is the liberal play...

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captkirk said:


lmao this aged poorly
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javajaws said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



This smells like TACO to me.

If Walz agrees to "hand over" detained illegals (of which there are probably near 0 right now) I think Trump pulls ice out of MN and calls it a win. All Walz has to do to win is not arrest any illegals and therefore will never have to turn any over.

I believe he sent Tom Homan to speak with Walz. Will be hard to screw over Homan.
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Did you read the penalty section? I ask, because I did, and the penalty is a $25 fine but if you show up to court with the permit, it's a mandatory dismissal.

So yes, it's technically unlawful to not have your permit while you're carrying, but it's the same level of unlawful as driving without your driver's license on your person

And irrelevant under the law. Zero points made on that. Whether he was legally carrying a concealed weapon with a permit or not does not matter a pig fart when he was doing other stuff against the law.

AND no way the officers knew that one way or another. In a split second, it was revealed he had a gun. That's an LEO attention getter. Did he reach for it? After it was discovered? TBH, not sure.
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Bucketrunner said:

If he didn't try to intervene in their arrest of the woman, he would still be alive.

If he stayed at home and didn't protect rapists and murderers, he would still be alive.

If he didn't believe propaganda from the left that preyed on his sensitivities, he would still be alive.

But he didn't.

And he isn't.

And there ends the lesson.


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richardag said:

javajaws said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



This smells like TACO to me.

If Walz agrees to "hand over" detained illegals (of which there are probably near 0 right now) I think Trump pulls ice out of MN and calls it a win. All Walz has to do to win is not arrest any illegals and therefore will never have to turn any over.

I believe he sent Tom Homan to speak with Walz. Will be hard to screw over Homan.


I'm not sure that a matter of fact guy like Homan could put up with what would have to be an idiotic conversation with Tampon Tim.
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