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Several of the agitators arrested outside a Minnesota hotel where they believed Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino was staying have criminal records, with one arrestee openly embracing a "disrupt disturb resist" slogan on Instagram.

The agitators were outside the SpringHill Suites by Marriott in Maple Grove, Minnesota, on Monday night where they had thought Bovino was staying. Arrests were made after authorities said the demonstration was "no longer considered peaceful," and declared it an unlawful assembly.

Maple Grove police said its officers were responding to reports of a protest at the hotel, adding that it escalated when agitators allegedly began damaging property and throwing objects at officers.

Several people were arrested after they allegedly did not leave once an unlawful assembly and dispersal order was issued, officials said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minn-anti-border-patrol-riot-backfires-agitators-allegedly-hurl-objects-cops-arrests-expose-rap-sheets

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/minn-anti-border-patrol-riot-backfires-agitators-allegedly-hurl-objects-cops-arrests-expose-rap-sheets

And these are the upstanding citizens that those on the left tell us are the concientious "leaders" fighting back against the tyranny and authoritarianism of Trump's CBP and ICE.

Law students and all.

I guess we should believe them, tear down our current society, and model our new society on these bright minded souls. I guess I should join them, but I have actual work to do today.

aggiehawg said:

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New information. From CBS News so I'll have some skepticism at the moment.

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Two U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents fired their weapons during the fatal shooting of Minneapolis ICU nurse Alex Pretti over the weekend, according to a government report sent to Congress and obtained by CBS News that does not mention Pretti reaching for his firearm.

The report was shared with congressional officials Tuesday by CBP, which said it was based on a "preliminary review" by its Office of Professional Responsibility. It provides the most comprehensive official account yet of Pretti's killing, which has triggered widespread outcry from members of both parties.

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"The [CBP officer] pushed them both away and one of the females ran to a male, later identified as 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a US citizen," the report said. "The [CBP officer] attempted to move the woman and Pretti out of the roadway. The woman and Pretti did not move. The [CBP officer] deployed his oleoresin capsicum (OC) spray towards both Pretti and the woman."
CBP agents then "attempted to take Pretti into custody," according to the report.

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"Pretti resisted CBP personnel's efforts and a struggle ensued. During the struggle, a BPA yelled, 'He's got a gun!' multiple times," the report said.
"Approximately five seconds later, a [Border Patrol agent] discharged his CBP-issued Glock 19 and a [CBP officer] also discharged his CBP-issued Glock 47 at Pretti. After the shooting, a BPA advised he had possession of Pretti's firearm," CBP added. "The BPA subsequently cleared and secured Pretti's firearm in his vehicle."

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So no accidental misfire? Who fired the first shot? Did it even hit him?

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THIS. Two huge questions I have - one relevant to the shooting itself, one to indicated Pretti's state of mind:

1. Does forensics indicate that Pretti's firearm discharged? This should be easily verifiable.

2. When was this firearm purchased and/or how/when did Pretti obtain it?

No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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To your question; it doesn't matter.

Ultimately, once one of the 10-ish officers yelled 'gun!' There was no reasonable duty/requirement on the others to understand he had 'only' one gun, and was disarmed by one of them, let alone whether his gun somehow was negligently discharged.

His violent resistance (degree of resistance doesn't matter) to arrest, and their awareness of an armed suspect justified the reasonable use of deadly force.

End of story.

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This whole "he was unarmed" narrative is complete bull****. At no point was he frisked and patted down to ensure he had no other weapons on him.

Once it was established he was armed he is treated as a lethal threat that has to be neutralized by any means necessary for the protection of the officers and other civilians. Officers can't just hope or assume he doesn't also have a knife or second gun on his person.

You could also argue even if he didn't resist, the officer's accidental discharge is what set off the other officers shooting.

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You could also argue even if he didn't resist, the officer's accidental discharge is what set off the other officers shooting.

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There is such a thing as sympathetic shooting which is kind of a misnomer in my mind. One shot gets fired and others fire in response, like a reflex. Even happens under very controlled circumstances.

Branca tells the story of when he was undergoing advanced concealed carry class. Everyday they were on the gun range. Everyday they were told not commence firing until they heard the whistle (which I guess is pretty common,)

Several days of that set-up. wait for whistle, fire. Then on day the instructor told them several times NOT TO FIRE at the sound of the whistle but to wait for a verbal command. Went over those rules many times before commencing the exercise. They were all lined up in firing position awaiting the verbal command but a whistle rang out instead. One guy fired then more did

Seems like human nature. I think most of these ICE agents are pretty well trained, and I doubt they shoot just because he has a gun. Now, if he did draw it, there's no controversy here.

To me, Pretti put himself in a dangerous position, but the accidental discharge is what got him killed.

Until I see arrests/ convictions of all of these folks openly defying federal law, I will continue to believe that is all fake controlled resistance to fool us all while we march while the uniparty marches us toward communism

4stringAg said:

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No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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Don't watch NBC ABC or CBS. But it doesn't matter cause no one gets their news from those anymore. They get it from Twitter, well except maybe boomers

4stringAg said:

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No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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If no one can establish a link between Pretti and the Signal Chat why should they be reporting on the 'potential' of him being in it?

Furthermore, what is so damning about the Signal chat? It's organized protestors. That happens literally everywhere all the time for any number of like minded individuals. MAGA organized a ton of their 'stop the steal' protests via social media apps.

You guys still on the "This is not TACO, this is 3D chess and Trump is doubling down in MN" argument?

Pretty sure it is just the regular TACO.

Interesting that Hunt is indirectly criticizing Trump for TACO on twitter. By saying that Trump should "double down" when clearly he is doing the opposite.

BadMoonRisin said:

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It is absolutely insane that mayors can say things like “we will not enforce federal immigration law” and everyone, especially the media, just shrugs and acts like this is acceptable https://t.co/gohHH8XwbL

— Ian Miller (@ianmSC) January 27, 2026

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Are state agencies able to enforce federal law?

Separate from that, he says they won't even participate either. That to me is the real problem. If local police arrest someone for a crime and find out they're an illegal, I'm pretty sure they're supposed to inform ICE. Mayor seems to imply they wouldn't do that.

There's no defensible reason to want to keep criminal illegals in your state. And when I say criminal I mean the ones breaking laws besides just being here illegally. That's the main targets for ICE currently

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BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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Don't worry, it's nacho problem.

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waitwhat? said:

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BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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Don't worry, it's nacho problem.

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Just don't taco-bout it

BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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I'm pretty sure that Trump's version is a white people TACO.

BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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As a gringo that eats Mx food. Never is anything taco a negative. Never.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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4stringAg said:

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No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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If no one can establish a link between Pretti and the Signal Chat why should they be reporting on the 'potential' of him being in it?

Furthermore, what is so damning about the Signal chat? It's organized protestors. That happens literally everywhere all the time for any number of like minded individuals. MAGA organized a ton of their 'stop the steal' protests via social media apps.

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Go back and read some of the discussion about what they were doing and how. This went way beyond just setting up a group chat and talking back and forth about where ICE might be. There was a lot of effort and sophistication in how they were starting new chats every day, limiting participation, using spotters, dispatching people 24/7, etc. It was much more than just a signal chat around an event.

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Are state agencies able to enforce federal law?

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Generally? No.

BUT if there is a joint task force between feds and state authorities, there is a cross deputization that happens. And as night follows day, those state officers then have the same type of immunity as the fed agents.

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BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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As a gringo that eats Mx food. Never is anything taco a negative. Never.

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Go try mexican food in the upper midwest in a place like Michigan or Minnesota and you might change your mind.

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Furthermore, what is so damning about the Signal chat? It's organized protestors. That happens literally everywhere all the time for any number of like minded individuals. MAGA organized a ton of their 'stop the steal' protests via social media apps.

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I don't believe it is legal to run the license plates of cars of suspected ICE officers using local government resources, and then directing people to stalk those cars.

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Why should ICE officers be able to operate with anonymity? If they're entrusted with the power to strip constitutional freedoms of American citizens, why are they allowed to do so as faceless operatives?

BadMoonRisin said:

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It is absolutely insane that mayors can say things like “we will not enforce federal immigration law” and everyone, especially the media, just shrugs and acts like this is acceptable https://t.co/gohHH8XwbL

— Ian Miller (@ianmSC) January 27, 2026

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Maybe it's all in the way you parse the statement. Frey is saying they won't "enforce" federal immigration law. I can understand not wanting to enforce it, but they need not impede it. And when locals commit crimes against the federal officers, or threaten them, Frey needs to be willing to protect the federal officers and arrest those committing crimes.

txags92 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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4stringAg said:

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No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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If no one can establish a link between Pretti and the Signal Chat why should they be reporting on the 'potential' of him being in it?

Furthermore, what is so damning about the Signal chat? It's organized protestors. That happens literally everywhere all the time for any number of like minded individuals. MAGA organized a ton of their 'stop the steal' protests via social media apps.

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Go back and read some of the discussion about what they were doing and how. This went way beyond just setting up a group chat and talking back and forth about where ICE might be. There was a lot of effort and sophistication in how they were starting new chats every day, limiting participation, using spotters, dispatching people 24/7, etc. It was much more than just a signal chat around an event.

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What are you saying? That if you are a really, really organized protest movement, it's thus illegal and a criminal conspiracy?

This reminds me of the MAGA argument about the 2nd Amendment. Yes you are allowed to have a concealed weapon. Just not when protesting us.

txags92 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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4stringAg said:

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No surprise to anyone here but NBC News coverage of this has been very one sided. Last night they focused almost completely on the Trump team changes and conversations between Homan and Walz, Stephen Miller's comments etc and didn't even mention the CNN story that Pretti had previously been engaged with ICE and broken a rib nor anything about the signal chats and Pretti potentially being a member of those.

If that signal stuff starts to get revealed this story will fade from their broadcast.

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If no one can establish a link between Pretti and the Signal Chat why should they be reporting on the 'potential' of him being in it?

Furthermore, what is so damning about the Signal chat? It's organized protestors. That happens literally everywhere all the time for any number of like minded individuals. MAGA organized a ton of their 'stop the steal' protests via social media apps.

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Go back and read some of the discussion about what they were doing and how. This went way beyond just setting up a group chat and talking back and forth about where ICE might be. There was a lot of effort and sophistication in how they were starting new chats every day, limiting participation, using spotters, dispatching people 24/7, etc. It was much more than just a signal chat around an event.

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Why is the level of 'sophistication' relevant?

txags92 said:

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Deerdude said:

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BigRobSA said:

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As a Hispanic, it hurts that people use our culinary heritage as a negative.

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As a gringo that eats Mx food. Never is anything taco a negative. Never.

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Go try mexican food in the upper midwest in a place like Michigan or Minnesota and you might change your mind.

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when I was first in Iowa, coworkers said "We're going to have some Mexican food for lunch. Want to go?", I was stunned....didn't know there was any, so..."Sure. Where?"

"Across the street....Taco Bell."

:-(