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🚨 NOW: Ilhan Omar holds a candle at a vigil for Alex Pretti after it was confirmed he launched a VlOLENT ASSAULT on law enforcement just a week before he died

The fact this woman hasn’t been denaturalized yet is a HUGE stain on our country

SEND HER BACK pic.twitter.com/FXy5EGi9Ie

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) January 28, 2026

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Denaturalization is not a "stroke of the pen" process. Trump cannot simply sign an EO and she's gone.

The law spells out how and why it can be done.

Sotor has a bad habit of going off on rants like this without knowing the facts.

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I think his point is she needs to be denaturalized thru whatever process is necessary. The fact that this stain on humanity is a representative in our congress is a massive embarrassment. At least folks like C-Jack and Green are citizens who were born here!

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Not saying it isn't, but to say that he was the aggressor when that agent decided he was going to assault someone for exercising their first amendment right is a false assertion.

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First Amendment Right:

Freedom to Assemble: Protects the right of individuals to gather PEACEFULLY for demonstrations or protests.


It does not protest people who agitate, confront law enforcement, destroy property, etc.
None of his actions are protected by the First amendment.

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He didn't introduce lethal force. He'd already been disarmed and never drew a weapon.

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Typical rephrasing of a situation that makes it sound like he was peaceful. No person who has any gun training could justify his actions leading up to this as just a regular person being peaceful. Being irresponsible does not make reasonable reactions to that irresponsibility anyone elses fault.

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Peaceful has nothing to do with it. Until someone draws a weapon or presents an immediate threat to you, you don't have a justification to shoot them. You can see a guy yelling at people the street, kicking over trash cans, and generally being an *******, but unless he pulls out a weapon or presents an immediate threat to people, you're going to be charged with murder if you shoot him.

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This can depend on the time and where you live. In Texas, lethal force is justifiable response to criminal mischief at night.

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How do you know what he was doing? What happened the hour before the video. What happened even 10 mins before that video. There is a reason that part of the video isn't being released by the "peaceful protestor" side. There are pics of him on that day before he scuttled with cbp where he is all up in one agents face and space yelling at him. I don't know about you, but if I came face to face where you could feel my breath on your face yelling at you, you wouldn't say that is peaceful. I would expect you to punch me in the face if I didn't stop. I would deserve it.

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For one, none of that matters. As I said in another post, what matters are the immediate circumstances and whether they justify shooting someone. Here, they clearly, to me, do not.

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Don't put your hands on an LEO who is in the middle of an arrest while you are strapped. It's as simple as that.

Whether or not the person "deserved" to be shot is besides the point. The officer, given the dangerous situation, is likely not at fault for negligence due to the dangerous situation, which the victim put himself in.

The event was a tragedy. A preventable tragedy, but a tragedy. The victim didn't show any wisdom in his decisions, but he also didn't deserve to get shot, but the officer acted reasonably given the situation. There isn't really anything else to say.

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The agent who maced him started a physical altercation by shoving another person to the ground for shouting at him. That's a poor choice, though one I'm sure you'll excuse.

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This is between the agent and that woman. Anyone that intervenes and isn't a LEO is committing a crime.

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Not saying it isn't, but to say that he was the aggressor when that agent decided he was going to assault someone for exercising their first amendment right is a false assertion.

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It is evident that some individuals have never encountered a life-threatening situation that requires a quick decision. "You never know how you will react until you are punched in the throat."

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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This is a complete lie. Both Pretti and the woman were in the street, not standing on the sidewalk peacefully protesting. Pretti was actually directing cars to drive through the ICE operation.

The woman was definitely pushed out of the road by an ICE agent. It was because she was impeding or interfering with their operation, not because she exercised her First Amendment right. Pretti went to defend the woman, and thus further inserted himself into the ICE operation.

Don't make it sound like ICE attacked these two while they were just holding up signs on the sidewalk. They intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

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No, that's a complete lie. Pretti had been walking backwards across the street while in a shouting match with the agent. He was already stepping onto the opposite sidewalk when the woman was pushed. You can't say she was interfering with or impeding their operation when it was across the street and she was standing in front of a parked car.

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How do you know what he was doing? What happened the hour before the video. What happened even 10 mins before that video. There is a reason that part of the video isn't being released by the "peaceful protestor" side. There are pics of him on that day before he scuttled with cbp where he is all up in one agents face and space yelling at him. I don't know about you, but if I came face to face where you could feel my breath on your face yelling at you, you wouldn't say that is peaceful. I would expect you to punch me in the face if I didn't stop. I would deserve it.

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For one, none of that matters. As I said in another post, what matters are the immediate circumstances and whether they justify shooting someone. Here, they clearly, to me, do not.

For two, what if I just shot you in the face instead? Do you deserve it? Am I justified in killing you because you're acting like an *******?

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So all the laws and previous litigation that established case law regarding reasonableness of law enforcement officers to deploy force, including deadly force, which are predicated upon the circumstances they are facing don't matter to you either?

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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LOL

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Recall they are STILL getting away with the gaslights of Saint Fentanyl Floyd.

Their gaslights are not as effective these days but they will always attempt as they are convinced it helps them defeat Rs and gain power.

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And 4 police officers are still political prisoners b/c of the lies.

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They let one of the rookies go, IIRC. Lane, the one who went in the ambulance with Floyd.

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Peaceful has nothing to do with it. Until someone draws a weapon or presents an immediate threat to you, you don't have a justification to shoot them.

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It has everything to do with it, which is why it's in our Bill of Rights.

His pistol was removed, and it appears accidentally discharged. If your the officer(s), are you protecting yourself against a violent agitator, or exposing yourself to getting shot while you figure out where the first round came from?

I'm not justifying the killing, but it's reasonable to understand how it happened to a guy who was violently confronting LEOs.

The fact you can't consider both sides, tells me you simply dont want to.

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No, it doesn't appear that it was accidentally discharged. That's mere supposition and theory, based on the SIG P320's history with accidental discharges, to justify why agents shot him when he surrounded by agents and it was impossible for them to have seen a weapon in his hands. There's no evidence, as far as I've seen, that shows or suggests his gun was actually fired. We do know that 2 agents discharged their own firearms.

Alex Pretti had a role in his own death, but he also wasn't the trained professional holding and discharging a gun. If you want to tell me I should consider both sides, maybe consider doing the same.

The mentally ill are like 95% of these people

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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This is a complete lie. Both Pretti and the woman were in the street, not standing on the sidewalk peacefully protesting. Pretti was actually directing cars to drive through the ICE operation.

The woman was definitely pushed out of the road by an ICE agent. It was because she was impeding or interfering with their operation, not because she exercised her First Amendment right. Pretti went to defend the woman, and thus further inserted himself into the ICE operation.

Don't make it sound like ICE attacked these two while they were just holding up signs on the sidewalk. They intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

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No, that's a complete lie. Pretti had been walking backwards across the street while in a shouting match with the agent. He was already stepping onto the opposite sidewalk when the woman was pushed. You can't say she was interfering with or impeding their operation when it was across the street and she was standing in front of a parked car.

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he was deployed to the site by a dispatcher as part of a coordinated communist paramilitary cell.

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According to whom, exactly? A random Twitter account?

He was "disarmed" approx .1 sec before being shot. Theres no the agents would have known that so quickly in the chaos.

That talking point makes it look like youre reaching at straws to validate you're opinion

Just my 2 cents

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The mentally ill are like 95% of these people

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absolutely, but more people are being whipped into breaks with reality by liars and propogandists

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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This is a complete lie. Both Pretti and the woman were in the street, not standing on the sidewalk peacefully protesting. Pretti was actually directing cars to drive through the ICE operation.

The woman was definitely pushed out of the road by an ICE agent. It was because she was impeding or interfering with their operation, not because she exercised her First Amendment right. Pretti went to defend the woman, and thus further inserted himself into the ICE operation.

Don't make it sound like ICE attacked these two while they were just holding up signs on the sidewalk. They intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

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No, that's a complete lie. Pretti had been walking backwards across the street while in a shouting match with the agent. He was already stepping onto the opposite sidewalk when the woman was pushed. You can't say she was interfering with or impeding their operation when it was across the street and she was standing in front of a parked car.

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he was deployed to the site by a dispatcher as part of a coordinated communist paramilitary cell.

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According to whom, exactly? A random Twitter account?

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are you really a communist? according to everything we know about how this operation in being run. You have a video of this guy attacking ice and youre still acting like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Should I just dismiss you as lost, because I am not playing the "explain obvious things to liberals who pretend not to understand" game.

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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This is a complete lie. Both Pretti and the woman were in the street, not standing on the sidewalk peacefully protesting. Pretti was actually directing cars to drive through the ICE operation.

The woman was definitely pushed out of the road by an ICE agent. It was because she was impeding or interfering with their operation, not because she exercised her First Amendment right. Pretti went to defend the woman, and thus further inserted himself into the ICE operation.

Don't make it sound like ICE attacked these two while they were just holding up signs on the sidewalk. They intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

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No, that's a complete lie. Pretti had been walking backwards across the street while in a shouting match with the agent. He was already stepping onto the opposite sidewalk when the woman was pushed. You can't say she was interfering with or impeding their operation when it was across the street and she was standing in front of a parked car.

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he was deployed to the site by a dispatcher as part of a coordinated communist paramilitary cell.

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According to whom, exactly? A random Twitter account?

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No, its pretty well documented and his actions you can see in that video show that he isnt simply there standing around.

Plus, all the previous videos and behavior change patterns as confirmed by his parents, along with the signal messages, show he wasnt some random protesters simply airing his grievances

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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This is a complete lie. Both Pretti and the woman were in the street, not standing on the sidewalk peacefully protesting. Pretti was actually directing cars to drive through the ICE operation.

The woman was definitely pushed out of the road by an ICE agent. It was because she was impeding or interfering with their operation, not because she exercised her First Amendment right. Pretti went to defend the woman, and thus further inserted himself into the ICE operation.

Don't make it sound like ICE attacked these two while they were just holding up signs on the sidewalk. They intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

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No, that's a complete lie. Pretti had been walking backwards across the street while in a shouting match with the agent. He was already stepping onto the opposite sidewalk when the woman was pushed. You can't say she was interfering with or impeding their operation when it was across the street and she was standing in front of a parked car.

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he was deployed to the site by a dispatcher as part of a coordinated communist paramilitary cell.

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According to whom, exactly? A random Twitter account?

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Why he was there isn't really important. The second he instigated by way of interference, and he did, his motive for being there is irrelevant.

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Its the most important. He was part of militia in rebellion against the federal government, aided by elected officials in the state. This is way bigger than just this one guy.

If you didn't see or take a moment to view/read the following, I encourage you to do so. These should help with understanding of the responsibilities of all the parties involved and how the law may enlighten the results. I'd ask you to study these and respond with how, if at all, these affect your view of the Pretti shooting if you in-fact are interested in understanding both sides.

The sound bytes around the Pretti story evade both context and personal responsibility.

No one has the right to charge into a law enforcement operation and confront officers. It's a crime. Carrying a gun while doing so makes it more volatile. pic.twitter.com/79RVZ3QTrG

— Walter Hudson (@WalterHudson) January 28, 2026

https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force

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Alternate angle for all the low iq clowns calling it AI



Much longer clip. Altercation happens around 16:50.

This man was NOT a protestor.

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Funny I haven't seen any of our lib friends comment on this video. Pretti, so peaceful, so tolerant.

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Honestly, I don't particularly care. They should have arrested him then if they were going to. What they ultimately did is not justified by anything that came days before.

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But it is justified when the unhinged fool introduced lethal force into a physical altercation with LEOs while obstructing law inforcement. Do you care about that?

At this point, knowing what we know, it is insane to dig your toes in and not acknowledge the terrible decisions this dude made. Those decisions led to his death. And, he was breaking the law when he died and had been for at least a couple of weeks prior (and was not arrested).

This guy is no hero. He is an idiot who made some really bad choices. He did not DESERVE to die. Goode did not DESERVE death. But often death comes to those who make really bad choices even though they are not deserving. We do not have to deserve death to acheive it.

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He didn't introduce lethal force. He'd already been disarmed and never drew a weapon.

I can agree with the last part. They both made some unfortunate choices. In Goode's case, she put people in immediate danger by driving into them, and the decision to shoot is understandable. In Pretti's case, the situation is very different. He never drew a weapon or attempted to. His poor choices leading up to the shooting do not absolve the agents of their poor choices leading up to and during the shooting, nor do they place responsibility solely on Pretti. The agent who maced him started a physical altercation by shoving another person to the ground for shouting at him. That's a poor choice, though one I'm sure you'll excuse. When Pretti stepped in, he didn't pull his gun or punch that agent in the face, he simply grabbed his arm and was immediately maced and taken to the ground. In the videos I've seen, not once did he ever actually strike an agent.

What is insane is digging your toes in and not acknowledging that there are two sides to this failure, and ICE is on one of them.

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Go back to a page or two earlier and read the substack post from a tweet by Shipwreckedcrew. He is a lawyer and he explains very well the officers position in this as well as where Pretti went wrong every step of the way. Its a good objective analysis of the scene using stills from the videos, previous actions, court case precedents, etc.

Hint: 20/20 hindsight is not allowed in cases like this legally I don't believe. So saying that the ICE officer shouldn't have pushed the woman which led to Pretti's ultimate final takedown is not a reasonable argument that would hold up in any court. IANAL but that's the way I read that situation.

Maybe its discovered that ICE wasn't operating within policy or outside their normal duties. IF that is shown then more people may align to the idea that the officers had a bigger responsibility here. But until then, its fairly moot to continue to say the officers "should have done this" or "should have done that" in response to either Pretti or the woman interfering in their operation.

There is a video somewhere in slo mo that shows the agent with the pistol and it appears he does not have a finger on the trigger and there is a frame that appears to be the slide in the rear position indicating a shot was fired. It's grainy film so there is room to question it, but it does appear there was an accidental discharge

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He was "disarmed" approx .1 sec before being shot. Theres no the agents would have known that so quickly in the chaos.

That talking point makes it look like youre reaching at straws to validate you're opinion

Just my 2 cents

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The gun was pulled from his holster, not his hand. It would be one thing if he were dropping it as they fired, but it's something else entirely that he never even held it.

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A new classic. 😆 pic.twitter.com/9cn3HteYhI

— Travis Neliton 🇺🇸 (@Tneliton) January 29, 2026

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I hope some Republican brings in a large scrreen into Congress and shows that video.