Minneapolis getting Hot? [Staff Warning. Take Note]

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CrackerJackAg said:

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This isn't a game.

You hit a federal agent with your car.


Looks like a four point turn and the car didnt touch him.

The other angle shows it hitting him, stop lying




Yeah, I'm not exactly like rooting for either side in this thing but seems like a ***** move to shoot her.

I have my doubts. Her intention was to try and kill or hit. The police officer. Looks like she was just taking off.

I'm not arguing with anybody because I don't give a **** to argue, but that's just my take


I don't think she was trying to intentionally run over anyone either but the officer can't know that in the moment, particularly in situations where protesters and rioters have been hostile to them all day. Also this officer apparently had been involved in a similar previous incident and was dragged or something by a car.


Yeah, I don't have the full story.

I just watched the video without any other input just to see what I thought.




News flash. If a cop tells you to freeze or step out of the vehicle the freeze or step out of the vehicle. This is t hard people. There was a time everyone understood this. If you disobey a cop, the consequences are on you


I 100% agree.

Cop can't just shoot you for not following a basic command though

That statement is not really exactly true

Obviously, the situation was not that so don't turn it into me arguing against it in the situation


Yes they can and our legal system would rightfully punish them. 99.999999999% of cops aren't going to shoot you for failure to follow instructions or a simple command. If they tell you to stop and you drive your car towards them and bump them, then hindsight has zero relevance under the law. Until we hammer this home in people, there will be more of this senselessness, which sadly is something a small portion roots for.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Dr. Hannah Spier explains the mental destabilization that is being indoctrinated into substantial portions of the female population. There is a complex of related leftist nihilistic or narcissistic ideologies that is apparently driving many females into a form of "morally" self reinforcing sociopathy.
Toxic empathy.
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I just figured out why the Minnesota ICE death is bothering me so much.

This liberal woman was willing to take on federal agents, to disrupt ICE operations, in order to protect criminal Somalis.

Obviously, she probably didn't imagine she would be killed. But surely, she must have known that, at the very least, she could be arrested.

She has three kids. So she was willing to be separated from her kids to protect criminal Somalis.

Speaking as a mother, this is insanity. This is not rational thinking.

What it is, instead, is the result of liberal brainrot that convinces progressive women they have more of a duty to nurture and protect poor, brown (criminal!) strangers than their own country, and hell, even their own children.

I am praying for this woman's soul and for her family. But I mean it when I say this type of thinking is almost wholly responsible for the decline of Western civilization.
Well said!
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Competent Lawyer Thoughts on the Minneapolis Shooting Pt. 2:

Another big danger of this kind of incident is the left's refusal to apply the law as it is to the facts as they are documented on video. As was pointed out to me, this is very similar to the Kyle Rittenhouse situation.

The law of self-defense is clear. It's ancient. The rules are set down, and there is ample precedent to rely on. The fact pattern here similar to the Rittenhouse incident. The law is also similar. Yet the left misconstrued both situations.

The facts about today's shooting are there on video. They are not subject to good-faith dispute as to the events relevant to a claim of self-defense. Rittenhouse was attacked by a guy with a Glock, as well as others with weapons. Here, everyone agrees this woman accelerated her car in the direction of the police officer and struck him. Applying the law of self-defense should be simple; it only gets complicated if you are trying to avoid a result you don't want it.

So, we get two lines of argument from the left. The first is to misstate the law of self-defense. They accept the facts but falsely claim that the facts do not justify invoking self-defense. For example, here, we get arguments that the woman was trying to drive away, though under the law of self-defense, her intent is irrelevant. The analysis is what a reasonable cop would have thought in his position. What she thought doesn't matter.

The second line of argument is to deny the facts, including facts clearly shown on the videotape. We saw that here with people insisting, despite pictures of bullet holes in the windshield and the front of the side mirror, that the police officer was firing into the side window in an effort to deny that he was in the path of the vehicle. Or the facts are minimized. The woman struck the police officer; what we hear is that he was only winged, as if he would've had to have been killed before the right to self-defense had arisen.

All this is in the service of the leftist narrative, which is crafted to create a martyr to advance the leftist agenda. But what this does is eliminate the ability to resolve disputes and determine the truth through the legal process. How can you guide yourself to conform with a law that is a kind of Calvinball it is what it needs to be to support a leftist narrative. And how can you not break the law if facts showing you did not break the law are ignored, especially facts that are right there on video?

This is a serious problem. You can't have a society with civil rights when you can't rely on due process grounded in fixed laws and the determination of objective facts. When one side dispenses with a justice system and replaces it with a social justice system that determines guilt by narrative necessity, the other side will dispense with a justice system, too. Then you have a system based on power. And as we saw today, it's the guys with the guns that have the power.

The left ought to think very long and hard about this.
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Drives towards? He walked in front of the car. Like stupidly close. Why?
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500,000ags said:

Drives towards? He walked in front of the car. Like stupidly close. Why?

Doesn't matter, she used a deadly weapon and almost crushed him.
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He came from the other side. He was obviously moving to assist in the arrest. Again, its irrelevant.

This is why you don't interfere with law enforcement operations.
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Agreed on the final part, but it doesn't matter is a joke. There is zero way that is policy and training.
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What is a legal observer? I suspect nothing but I keep seeing that thrown around.
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500,000ags said:

Drives towards? He walked in front of the car. Like stupidly close. Why?
Officers often walk around cars when they are illegally obstructing things.
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People who film cops doing their jobs so they can sue them if they step out of line.
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jja79 said:

What is a legal observer? I suspect nothing but I keep seeing that thrown around.


Ashli Babbitt was more of a legal observer than today's deceased.
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500,000ags said:

Agreed on the final part, but it doesn't matter is a joke. There is zero way that is policy and training.

How would you know? She was involved with harassing ICE agents with her car all day, maybe they wanted to detain her so she could be arrested?

Why he walked in front of the STOPPED car does not matter, its irrelevant
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jja79 said:

What is a legal observer? I suspect nothing but I keep seeing that thrown around.
A communist protester attempting to thwart law enforcement via gray areas in what's allowed while watching.
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jja79 said:

What is a legal observer? I suspect nothing but I keep seeing that thrown around.

Progressive gibberish.
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There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.
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CrackerJackAg said:

samurai_science said:

Geminiv said:

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This isn't a game.

You hit a federal agent with your car.


Looks like a four point turn and the car didnt touch him.

The other angle shows it hitting him, stop lying




Yeah, I'm not exactly like rooting for either side in this thing but seems like a ***** move to shoot her.

I have my doubts. Her intention was to try and kill or hit. The police officer. Looks like she was just taking off.

I'm not arguing with anybody because I don't give a **** to argue, but that's just my take



I mean I'm sure drunk drivers don't intended to hit or kill people while breaking the law.

I'm sure she didn't either.

Doesn't change the fact her stupidity caused this.
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500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.

Cars are deadly weapons, its well established. Kyle was clearly using self defense, as a jury of his peers found.
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None in this situation. He bears nothing
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500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.

You can search youtube for hundreds and hundreds of body cam footage of people using cars accidently and on purpose to injury police. She could have easily turned around and came back to kill them. Its been done. She was stupid and now is dead.

Cars are the preferred mass murder weapon in Europe of muslims.
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500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.
The cops are doing it all the time. They have to make these decisions. She could have just as easily plowed into the crowd nearby or other officers. It was his job to neutralize the threat. She was stupid for being there in the first place, then disobeying lawful orders, then acting irrationally. Three strikes, three shots, and she's out.
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Yeah, he does. At least some percentage.
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samurai_science said:

jja79 said:

What is a legal observer? I suspect nothing but I keep seeing that thrown around.

Progressive gibberish.


I knew this but wanted confirmation I hadn't missed something. My neighbors on each side and across the street are all from Minneapolis and they're insufferable dewshbags so I hope the entire city burns to the ground.
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500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.


That's a law school hypothetical we can debate but let's be clear there is no reasonable scenario in which that has any relevance here. There's no world in watch a non partisan DA or DOJ would ever bring charges against the cop. Sadly they probably will.
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No he doesn't

She was the one interfering. She put herself there. She made the choice to flee instead of comply.

She hit the cop.
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Aglaw97 said:

500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.


That's a law school hypothetical we can debate but let's be clear there is no reasonable scenario in which that has any relevance here. There's no world in watch a non partisan DA or DOJ would ever bring charges against the cop. Sadly they probably will.
Hopefully it stays federal and not state.
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She made him stand in front of her car, so she could viciously run him over. That's just not what I see.
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500,000ags said:

She made him stand in front of her car, so she could viciously run him over. That's just not what I see.

She was being arrested or detained and he tried to stop her. She tried to run him over. What dont you understand?


Why he was in front of the car DOES NOT MATTER
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I agree because he was LEO on duty, and she was instigating. The national issue is that ICE has operated in a certain way, and many people were just aching for this moment.
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500,000ags said:

I agree because he was LEO on duty, and she was instigating. The national issue is that ICE has operated in a certain way, and many people were just aching for this moment.

Yep, legally.
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500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.

There is no disagreement on this issue.

If an officer steps in front of a moving vehicle, thereby blocking it, he has put himself in the way, creating a situation where deadly force may be necessary.

Walking in front of, or even standing in front of a stopped vehicle is not the same thing, and it happens all the time.
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500,000ags said:

I agree because he was LEO on duty, and she was instigating. The national issue is that ICE has operated in a certain way, and many people were just aching for this moment.

Yes, in a way concerned moderates and progressives don't like, legally.
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InfantryAg said:

500,000ags said:

There will always be disagreement on this issue. It's very similar to KRH, as I previously stated. At what point does the person that is okay to use deadly force become culpable for putting themself in a situation that requires that deadly force. I just think it's just too convenient to say it's the side that I don't like. Always. Always.

There is no disagreement on this issue.

If an officer steps in front of a moving vehicle, thereby blocking it, he has put himself in the way, creating a situation where deadly force may be necessary.

Walking in front of, or even standing in front of a stopped vehicle is not the same thing, and it happens all the time.

Exactly!!
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Dead commie

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will25u said:



I'm not exactly sure why "brown" was relevant, but otherwise a good point.
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