Well the Supreme Court in the 80's ruled it is the appropriate level for police. Their job is very dangerous. If they hesitate to long they can be killed. Point a weapon at a cop and make a move to use it you will get shot every time. Can you at least admit she was a dumbass and her stupidity got her killed?

Philip J Fry said:

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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There once was a gal named Renee,
Who wouldn't get out of the way,
She stopped taking her meds,
And went after the feds,
Which effectively ended her day.

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The Unforgiven said:

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Well the Supreme Court in the 80's ruled it is the appropriate level for police. Their job is very dangerous. If they hesitate to long they can be killed. Point a weapon at a cop and make a move to use it you will get shot every time. Can you at least admit she was a dumbass and her stupidity got her killed?

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Oh 100%, she was a ****in idiot. Cop tells me to get out of a car I get out of a car. If I don't I know there's a very real chance I'm getting shot. I don't agree that I should get shot, but I know the chances are much higher than zero.

This incident has made it really clear that federal law enforcement need body cameras. Does anyone here know why they don't?

Hawg, what law gets applied here? He would be judged by whatever laws apply to federal officers, correct?

I imagine the standard for use of force at the federal level is friendlier to the officer vs whatever dumb **** a blue state can cook up.

What jurisdiction does the city or state have over a federal officer doing federal business? I would think not much.

I have only heard it mentioned briefly, but this guy must be judged by the correct standard and law.

I'm not a licensed attorney. You don't have to be an attorney to recognize that the bar for taking a life should be higher than "I was scared" without there being some level of repercussion.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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He got run over and drug by a car while doing his job a couple months ago.

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I found the award-winning poetry:

i want back my rocking chairs,

solipsist sunsets,
& coastal jungle sounds that are tercets from cicadas and pentameter from the hairy legs of cockroaches.

i've donated bibles to thrift stores
(mashed them in plastic trash bags with an acidic himalayan salt lamp
the post-baptism bibles, the ones plucked from street corners from the meaty hands of zealots, the dumbed-down, easy-to-read, parasitic kind):

remember more the slick rubber smell of high gloss biology textbook pictures; they burned the hairs inside my nostrils,
& salt & ink that rubbed off on my palms.
under clippings of the moon at two forty five AM I study&repeat
ribosome
endoplasmic
lactic acid
stamen

at the IHOP on the corner of powers and stetson hills

i repeated & scribbled until it picked its way & stagnated somewhere i can't point to anymore, maybe my gut
maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.

it's the ruler by which i reduce all things now; hard-edged & splintering from knowledge that used to sit, a cloth against fevered forehead.
can i let them both be? this fickle faith and this college science that heckles from the back of the classroom


now i can't believe
that the bible and qur'an and bhagavad gita are sliding long hairs behind my ear like mom used to & exhaling from their mouths "make room for wonder"
all my understanding dribbles down the chin onto the chest & is summarized as:
life is merely
to ovum and sperm
and where those two meet
and how often and how well
and what dies there.

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Her poor children.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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I'm not a licensed attorney. You don't have to be an attorney to recognize that the bar for taking a life should be higher than "I was scared" without there being some level of repercussion.

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The bar, no pun intended, is what the law says is the bar. Lawyers typically understand those bars better than the average joe.

You bar is simply an opinion. While informative, it's not the standard that applies here.

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Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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I'm not a licensed attorney. You don't have to be an attorney to recognize that the bar for taking a life should be higher than "I was scared" without there being some level of repercussion.

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The bar, no pun intended, is what the law says is the bar. Lawyers typically understand those bars better than the average joe.

You bar is simply an opinion. While informative, it's not the standard that applies here.

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Agree 100%, and that's why I do what a cop says 100% of the time.

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Philip J Fry said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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Why not just follow the instructions and don't interfere? That's what most people do.

Thus why most people don't get shot.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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You willing to have someone run over you going 5mph and see how things go?

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My dad got run over by a drunk driver on his 10th birthday while walking home from the store to buy my grandpa some smokes. He'll turn 71 this week, and he still looks both ways at least 3 times before crossing the street.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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I'm not a licensed attorney. You don't have to be an attorney to recognize that the bar for taking a life should be higher than "I was scared" without there being some level of repercussion.

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Easy to say if you'll never work in a job where hesitating to second guessing could end your life.

Complying with cops, no matter how dip****ty and assholy they can be, will work out better for all involved.

And a great majority of cops are pretty good about tolerating drunken jerks and unruly white liberal women… and they will advise you when they have had enough and it's time to comply.

This lady went leaps and bounds beyond that and had been blocking the street for several minutes and following these guys around all morning, possibly for days.

For this, she found out.

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Why does that matter?

There has to be some kind of federal statute about traveling across state lines to inhibit the duty of federal LEOs?

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This incident has made it really clear that federal law enforcement need body cameras. Does anyone here know why they don't?

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No idea. And don't get me started why the FBI doesn't record their interviews but DOJ will charge people for lying to them based upon FBI agent's "notes" of what was said. Major flaw in the system, in my view. I no longer trust the FBI but I have residual trust in beat cops and other LEOs on the streets in their territories.

Some are better than others, granted and a bad shoot is a bad shoot. (The gal that called 911 and was shot by an officer on the passenger side when she ran up to the squad car to tell them where to go. It was raining so visibility might have been limited but that cop shot across his partner's chest to kill her. That cop went to prison as he rightfully should have.

Breonna Taylor shooting was much more iffy. Facts were pretty muddy on that one. The one where the guy was passed out in a Wendy's drive thru in Atlanta was less so. Guy appeared to cooperate at first then attacked the officer who was attempting to arrest him. Reached for his gun but got his taser instead and fired it. The fired t again at the other officer chasing him. Turned out the taser was empty but no way the cop knew that. Suspect stopped, turned, aimed the taser at his head. Was that lethal force towards the cop? That's an iffy part.

Those are cases of what is termed an "imperfect" self defense claim, LEO or not. And that often does come down to a jury question of fact.

We do not have those kinds of questions in this case.

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Why does that matter?

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Because this hypothetical experiment was literally tested in this very case and the cop was fine. So his hypothesis is already shot. Shooting the broad didn't save his life, he got out of the way and then shot her.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Why does that matter?

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Because this hypothetical experiment was literally tested in this very case and the cop was fine. So his hypothesis is already shot. Shooting the broad didn't save his life, he got out of the way and then shot her.

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The law seems to indicate a very good shot here.

Well would you look at that 🤔. pic.twitter.com/TRrr7Fb6av

— Cloud (@cloud1a7) January 9, 2026

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Why does that matter?

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Because this hypothetical experiment was literally tested in this very case and the cop was fine. So his hypothesis is already shot. Shooting the broad didn't save his life, he got out of the way and then shot her.

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His first shot was not after her car rammed him out of the way.

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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If I were in that situation, I'd focus on getting out of the way instead of shooting the driver of a moving car and creating an even more dangerous situation. The agents have received terrible training.

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Maybe stop encouraging your rabbid delusional comrades to assault armed federal officers.

Maybe teach these little disphits there's a big difference between peaceful protest and obstruction of justice.

Maybe take some GD accountability for once.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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I'm not a licensed attorney. You don't have to be an attorney to recognize that the bar for taking a life should be higher than "I was scared" without there being some level of repercussion.

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Honestly now, can you give us examples of when you have EVER been in a situation like that....in ANY form? There are many LEOs and former LEOs on this board...and combat veterans. Unless you have some applicable real life experience with a life or death situation your assesment of what that ICE officer did and what YOU would done is armchair QBing...at best.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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You don't wait to see if an unhinged POS ended up hurting or killing you before you act. It's called self DEFENSE. You act when they make a quick and very ill advised move and you perceive your life to potentially be in danger. If she floors it through him straight and doesn't turn her wheels, he potentially dies or breaks his neck. he doesn't know what she's going to do while she's gunning her car through him.

i.e. A suspect reaching in his waist band real quick when he is being held at gunpoint. You don't wait to see if he has shot you. This is comparable to that.

You liberals are impossible. Can't believe we're even having this conversation. A violent dumbass got shot doing violent dumbass things to a cop.

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Because this hypothetical experiment was literally tested in this very case and the cop was fine. So his hypothesis is already shot. Shooting the broad didn't save his life, he got out of the way and then shot her.

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Goes through the windshield, not an oblique shot. Straight through. So how is he not in front of the vehicle?

Philip J Fry said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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After seeing the video, I don't think my stance has changed. Cops are too quick to shoot in general.

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Why not just follow the instructions and don't interfere? That's what most people do.

Thus why most people don't get shot.

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No argument. If she followed instructions she would be alive doesn't change my stance that going from park to 5mph is not a life threatening situation to pull your gun out and shoot.

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If she knocks you down at 4 mph, your head hits the ground, and you are knocked out, then can you draw and shoot?

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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If that's truly and legally the case, the bar is way too low.

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You can always go test it.

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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If I were in that situation, I'd focus on getting out of the way instead of shooting the driver of a moving car and creating an even more dangerous situation. The agents have received terrible training.

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I honestly think he thought this female would obey commands like a normal sane rational person does when surrounded by multiple cops for breaking the law. He clearly underestimated how violent and deranged leftists are. Hopefully he learned that even the peaceful looking ones are violent hooligans who hate them.

Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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The Unforgiven said:

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Would you like to test your hypothesis? I am sure anyone on here would volunteer to be the driver if you are willing to be in the same position of the Leo but you cannot have a gun. Let's see how fast you can move and see how much damage you take. Willing to back up your position? If you survive with no injuries, I'll give you $100k

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Did the shooter get injured here? If not, seems like your hypothesis is already off. Maybe he did, I haven't heard. Looked fine at the end when he holstered his pew pew .

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Why does that matter?

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Because this hypothetical experiment was literally tested in this very case and the cop was fine. So his hypothesis is already shot. Shooting the broad didn't save his life, he got out of the way and then shot her.

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So why is bullet straight into the windshield?

DarkBrandon01 said:

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The officer clearly saw the lady turning the steering wheel.

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The lady clearly heard the cop telling her to get out of the car.

Next time a cop stops you, be sure to not obey his commands.

Win Win for everyone