Science Denier said:
gigemtxag2025 said:
Science Denier said:
gigemtxag2025 said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?
The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.
Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.
TRUMP was president. That is the answer.
And, did the sweetheart deal you talked about end in 2016? If not, then then your point is dumb.
And, you talk about an investigation between 2021 and 2024. LOL, what "investigation"? You mean saying there is an investigation in order to not issue any files, or talk about anything under a "pending investigation"?
So, before Trump (2016), nothing happened. During Trump's first term, a federal case was brought and Epstein was put in jail and died there. After Trump, the coverup happened. 4 year "investigation" where zero happened except all files being hidden. Now that Trump is back, the files are released.
Hmmmmmmmm.
There's a weird assumption throughout this thread that Trump deserves credit for the 2019 prosecution because he was president. Career prosecutors brought that case independently, which is how it's supposed to work.
The Acosta deal ended in 2008; the relevance is Trump made him Labor Secretary in 2017.
Maxwell was convicted in 2021. The investigation that continued from 2021-2024 was into other co-conspirators. Nearly 50 survivors had identified up to 20 men. That investigation was shut down in January 2025.
Again, Trump initially opposed the transparency legislation and only stopped fighting it when it was clear he didn't have the votes to block it. So "now that Trump is back, the files are released" leaves out the part where he tried to prevent that from happening. Not to mention the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline and shut down the co-conspirator investigation.
LMAO. Trump campaigned on turning over the files. He knew what the files looked like when he was POTUS his first round, but the Biden handlers had 4 years to **** with them. That's when he DELAYED the release. Libs pushed this as those idiots thought there still may be something that indicated Trump, but of course, it didn't. That's the only reason the legislation was made. Trump was always going to release the files. He has always been extremely transparent. He was just not going to release them right away until they were verified to be truthful.
And as far as the "independent prosecutors in New York", that is laughable.
And, what did the 4 year investigation under Biden do? 4 years and nothing. Well, nothing but their ability to hide the files from the publc.
Campaigning on releasing the files isn't the same thing as releasing them. Of course he would campaign on releasing the files.
I'm not going to sit here and be a champion for Joe Biden, but let's be realistic. There is no evidence that "the Biden handlers" manipulated the files over four years. Those records span courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, many of which were already fixed before he took office. That means you're suggesting a high level of coordinated control across multiple independent parts of the legal system.
Delaying disclosure isn't the same thing as fabricating or scrubbing evidence, and if that had happened, Trump's DOJ would be screaming about it from the rooftops, launching investigations, and filing charges, as they should. Not to mention it's also just structurally implausible for this to have occurred without whistleblowers, paper trails, or litigation blowback from any of those numerous aforementioned parties. Any such discrepancies would've been immediately obvious as well, since those multiple parties (Trump's first DOJ, defense attorneys, civil litigants, and courts) all had copies of these materials and would notice if they'd been altered.
The other stuff you mentioned directly contradicts what actually happened. The act was a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Thomas Massie, Trump spent five months actively fighting it before backing down only when he didn't have the votes, his administration has given contradictory statements about what files exist (Bondi saying a client list was on her desk in February, then the DOJ claiming in July that no such list exists), and the DOJ missed the mandated deadline for release anyway. I don't want to derail the thread with lengthy counterpoints that would be better suited for an Epstein-specific thread.
As for the idea of "independent prosecutors" being laughable, why? It's a bold argument to make against the SDNY of all entities, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
Your last paragraph is a question I've already addressed several times in this thread. Maxwell was convicted in 2021, the first year of Biden's administration, and Trump's DOJ shut down the active co-conspirator investigation in January 2025.
