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I would have more sympathy for Trump if the guy had been calling Trump a pedophile like most of the dumbass dems are doing these days. Because there is no evidence at all that Trump had anything to do with Epstein's blackmail/pedo ring…. unlike Clinton (for example).

Unfortunately I can't defend Trump against the charge of his admin protecting pedo's because his administration has obviously been running interference for people (and it's not even for himself). Why he let himself get dragged into this mess is beyond me.

Listening to very bad advice again is my guess.

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I think refusing to release the files on a known pedo and calling it a hoax. Is likely the reason he was being called that.

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Let's paraphrase what was said. Trump never classified the Epstein matter as a hoax. He did state it was a waste of time. Also, he said to prosecute if evidence is uncovered.

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Also, not sure who you think I am, but you have no idea what I did or didn't care about in 2020.

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Yeah, you're definitely a tough egg to crack.

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Don't claim nor pretend to be. I *do* expect the posts I make on the politics board to reflect my political views pretty explicitly. There's no mystery to solve.

Feel free to do what the other poster did and comb through my posts. Let me know if you find where I declare a party or where I announce what I did or didn't care about in 2020. Would be more than happy to look over that with you.

Been thrown around a few times so thought I'd point out how funny it is to assume one wouldn't care about Epstein in 2020, especially someone interested enough in politics to be conversing with you on a politics board. It sits right in between his arrest and death and Maxwell's conviction, when I would argue public interest in Epstein was at one of its highest points. If that's the year you're throwing out, it just reads like you were the one not paying attention.

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But, I suspect the actual reason is you've been banned, and this is your latest account to come and tout your "facts".

I'm still laughing at your "Sascha Riley" narrative.

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Both posters only post in politics and premium. And both only post anti-Trump takes. These are exactly the folks I was talking about on Fred's thread.

I will listen to the other side. I am open to facts. I did not even vote for Trump in 2016. Sadly, the people who hate Trump have consistently lied to us all for years. Almost nothing they have claimed is remotely rooted in reality.

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I responded to your questions about the Epstein timeline with verifiable facts (seriously, no vitriol or opinions of my own injected into my recounting of the timeline, go check) and you pivoted to checking my post history to see if I'm "anti-Trump" when you decided you didn't like the answers. You're just picking and choosing what facts to believe based on who says them. If just sharing the timeline is "anti-Trump" to you, you should probably reflect on why those facts feel like an attack.

Many years on texags.. My experience is that "wall of words" posters usually have some sort of agenda.

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Many years on texags.. My experience is that "wall of words" posters usually have some sort of agenda.

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Everyone on a politics board has an "agenda" in the sense that they have political views. That's the point of the board. Most of my posts are verifiable facts in response to questions, and some might be "too long" for you because I'm addressing all parts of what people asked or discussed with me. There's a conversation going on, and I promise it's worth reading before dismissing my posts as suspicious for being thorough.

Seeing a lot of people shocked by how a forum works rather than engaging with the topic.

Glad the guys using his 1A rights, but I mean doing it at work and not expecting some kind of repercussions? You're free to say what you wanna say, but you're not immune to consequences.

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Many years on texags.. My experience is that "wall of words" posters usually have some sort of agenda.

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Everyone on a politics board has an "agenda" in the sense that they have political views. That's the point of the board. Most of my posts are verifiable facts in response to questions, and some might be "too long" for you because I'm addressing all parts of what people asked or discussed with me. There's a conversation going on, and I promise it's worth reading before dismissing my posts as suspicious for being thorough.

Seeing a lot of people shocked by how a forum works rather than engaging with the topic.

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If you think politics is agenda driven then you are an ideologue intent on spreading propaganda.

And your post reflect your attempt to shape a narrative (gaslight).

We are not shocked to see the Marxist gaslighting methods daily.

Thank you for the reveal.

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Science Denier said:

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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TRUMP was president. That is the answer.

And, did the sweetheart deal you talked about end in 2016? If not, then then your point is dumb.

And, you talk about an investigation between 2021 and 2024. LOL, what "investigation"? You mean saying there is an investigation in order to not issue any files, or talk about anything under a "pending investigation"?

So, before Trump (2016), nothing happened. During Trump's first term, a federal case was brought and Epstein was put in jail and died there. After Trump, the coverup happened. 4 year "investigation" where zero happened except all files being hidden. Now that Trump is back, the files are released.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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There's a weird assumption throughout this thread that Trump deserves credit for the 2019 prosecution because he was president. Career prosecutors brought that case independently, which is how it's supposed to work.

The Acosta deal ended in 2008; the relevance is Trump made him Labor Secretary in 2017.

Maxwell was convicted in 2021. The investigation that continued from 2021-2024 was into other co-conspirators. Nearly 50 survivors had identified up to 20 men. That investigation was shut down in January 2025.

Again, Trump initially opposed the transparency legislation and only stopped fighting it when it was clear he didn't have the votes to block it. So "now that Trump is back, the files are released" leaves out the part where he tried to prevent that from happening. Not to mention the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline and shut down the co-conspirator investigation.

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LMAO. Trump campaigned on turning over the files. He knew what the files looked like when he was POTUS his first round, but the Biden handlers had 4 years to **** with them. That's when he DELAYED the release. Libs pushed this as those idiots thought there still may be something that indicated Trump, but of course, it didn't. That's the only reason the legislation was made. Trump was always going to release the files. He has always been extremely transparent. He was just not going to release them right away until they were verified to be truthful.

And as far as the "independent prosecutors in New York", that is laughable.

And, what did the 4 year investigation under Biden do? 4 years and nothing. Well, nothing but their ability to hide the files from the publc.

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Campaigning on releasing the files isn't the same thing as releasing them. Of course he would campaign on releasing the files.

I'm not going to sit here and be a champion for Joe Biden, but let's be realistic. There is no evidence that "the Biden handlers" manipulated the files over four years. Those records span courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, many of which were already fixed before he took office. That means you're suggesting a high level of coordinated control across multiple independent parts of the legal system.

Delaying disclosure isn't the same thing as fabricating or scrubbing evidence, and if that had happened, Trump's DOJ would be screaming about it from the rooftops, launching investigations, and filing charges, as they should. Not to mention it's also just structurally implausible for this to have occurred without whistleblowers, paper trails, or litigation blowback from any of those numerous aforementioned parties. Any such discrepancies would've been immediately obvious as well, since those multiple parties (Trump's first DOJ, defense attorneys, civil litigants, and courts) all had copies of these materials and would notice if they'd been altered.

The other stuff you mentioned directly contradicts what actually happened. The act was a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Thomas Massie, Trump spent five months actively fighting it before backing down only when he didn't have the votes, his administration has given contradictory statements about what files exist (Bondi saying a client list was on her desk in February, then the DOJ claiming in July that no such list exists), and the DOJ missed the mandated deadline for release anyway. I don't want to derail the thread with lengthy counterpoints that would be better suited for an Epstein-specific thread.

As for the idea of "independent prosecutors" being laughable, why? It's a bold argument to make against the SDNY of all entities, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Your last paragraph is a question I've already addressed several times in this thread. Maxwell was convicted in 2021, the first year of Biden's administration, and Trump's DOJ shut down the active co-conspirator investigation in January 2025.

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1. Trump has done what he campaigned on. Unlike Obama and Biden, he fights hard for his campaign promises.

2. Your word salad in the corrupt Biden admin has nothing to do with what I said. Never said they doctored the files. I said he was waiting to see if they did. Lots of records to go thru and he was waiting to release.

3. Fact is only u see Trump did this "independent" (lol) investigation take place. You can blather all you want, but the prosecution happened under Trump and the release of the files happened under Trump.

4. You have offered zero evidence that Trump in any who either participated in the Epstein BS or protected any pedo that did participate. He was the only POTUS that got anything done. He released all the files and he got Epstein in jail.

They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Many years on texags.. My experience is that "wall of words" posters usually have some sort of agenda.

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Everyone on a politics board has an "agenda" in the sense that they have political views. That's the point of the board. Most of my posts are verifiable facts in response to questions, and some might be "too long" for you because I'm addressing all parts of what people asked or discussed with me. There's a conversation going on, and I promise it's worth reading before dismissing my posts as suspicious for being thorough.

Seeing a lot of people shocked by how a forum works rather than engaging with the topic.

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If you think politics is agenda driven then you are an ideologue intent on spreading propaganda.

And your post reflect your attempt to shape a narrative (gaslight).

We are not shocked to see the Marxist gaslighting methods daily.

Thank you for the reveal.

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You're incorrect on multiple levels. First, you completely misunderstood my post. I wasn't using "agenda" in the literal political science sense; I said everyone on a politics board has an "agenda" in the sense that they have political views and opinions (quotation marks around the word and all). That's what a politics board is for.

Second, even if we are talking about literal political agendas: yes, politics is, by definition, agenda-driven. A political agenda is the set of issues that attract attention and become the subject of decision-making within a political system at any given time. Politics is literally about making agendas, deciding which issues get attention and resources. Conservatives have agendas, liberals have agendas, libertarians have agendas. Everyone in politics has goals they're advancing.

Third, you're conflating "gaslighting" with "crafting a narrative," which aren't the same thing. Gaslighting is manipulating someone into doubting their own reality. Presenting a factual timeline with sources isn't gaslighting. If the timeline I've presented is wrong, point out where. I've provided enough information where, if you feel strongly enough, you can vet it for yourself. If you don't care enough to actually check, then I'm not sure why you're upset.

You had to edit your post twice before pivoting to accusing me of being a Marxist propagandist (yes, I saw), but you won't engage with anything I actually posted. That says more about your approach than mine.

A lot of attention is being paid to me, and while I'm flattered, I'm far more interested in discussing the actual topic of the thread. If you have substance to contribute or corrections to the timeline or facts I've posted, I'd be happy to hear it.

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The man will be able to retire. His go fund me will most likely be over half a million dollars by the end of the day.

https://gofund.me/e7721abcc

Calling the president out as a "pedofile protector" pays off, apparently.

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Speaking the truth leads to good things.

Some guy who works at a Ford plant decided to be an uncouth assclown. Seems like that's the end of the story.

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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TRUMP was president. That is the answer.

And, did the sweetheart deal you talked about end in 2016? If not, then then your point is dumb.

And, you talk about an investigation between 2021 and 2024. LOL, what "investigation"? You mean saying there is an investigation in order to not issue any files, or talk about anything under a "pending investigation"?

So, before Trump (2016), nothing happened. During Trump's first term, a federal case was brought and Epstein was put in jail and died there. After Trump, the coverup happened. 4 year "investigation" where zero happened except all files being hidden. Now that Trump is back, the files are released.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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There's a weird assumption throughout this thread that Trump deserves credit for the 2019 prosecution because he was president. Career prosecutors brought that case independently, which is how it's supposed to work.

The Acosta deal ended in 2008; the relevance is Trump made him Labor Secretary in 2017.

Maxwell was convicted in 2021. The investigation that continued from 2021-2024 was into other co-conspirators. Nearly 50 survivors had identified up to 20 men. That investigation was shut down in January 2025.

Again, Trump initially opposed the transparency legislation and only stopped fighting it when it was clear he didn't have the votes to block it. So "now that Trump is back, the files are released" leaves out the part where he tried to prevent that from happening. Not to mention the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline and shut down the co-conspirator investigation.

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LMAO. Trump campaigned on turning over the files. He knew what the files looked like when he was POTUS his first round, but the Biden handlers had 4 years to **** with them. That's when he DELAYED the release. Libs pushed this as those idiots thought there still may be something that indicated Trump, but of course, it didn't. That's the only reason the legislation was made. Trump was always going to release the files. He has always been extremely transparent. He was just not going to release them right away until they were verified to be truthful.

And as far as the "independent prosecutors in New York", that is laughable.

And, what did the 4 year investigation under Biden do? 4 years and nothing. Well, nothing but their ability to hide the files from the publc.

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Campaigning on releasing the files isn't the same thing as releasing them. Of course he would campaign on releasing the files.

I'm not going to sit here and be a champion for Joe Biden, but let's be realistic. There is no evidence that "the Biden handlers" manipulated the files over four years. Those records span courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, many of which were already fixed before he took office. That means you're suggesting a high level of coordinated control across multiple independent parts of the legal system.

Delaying disclosure isn't the same thing as fabricating or scrubbing evidence, and if that had happened, Trump's DOJ would be screaming about it from the rooftops, launching investigations, and filing charges, as they should. Not to mention it's also just structurally implausible for this to have occurred without whistleblowers, paper trails, or litigation blowback from any of those numerous aforementioned parties. Any such discrepancies would've been immediately obvious as well, since those multiple parties (Trump's first DOJ, defense attorneys, civil litigants, and courts) all had copies of these materials and would notice if they'd been altered.

The other stuff you mentioned directly contradicts what actually happened. The act was a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Thomas Massie, Trump spent five months actively fighting it before backing down only when he didn't have the votes, his administration has given contradictory statements about what files exist (Bondi saying a client list was on her desk in February, then the DOJ claiming in July that no such list exists), and the DOJ missed the mandated deadline for release anyway. I don't want to derail the thread with lengthy counterpoints that would be better suited for an Epstein-specific thread.

As for the idea of "independent prosecutors" being laughable, why? It's a bold argument to make against the SDNY of all entities, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Your last paragraph is a question I've already addressed several times in this thread. Maxwell was convicted in 2021, the first year of Biden's administration, and Trump's DOJ shut down the active co-conspirator investigation in January 2025.

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1. Trump has done what he campaigned on. Unlike Obama and Biden, he fights hard for his campaign promises.

2. Your word salad in the corrupt Biden admin has nothing to do with what I said. Never said they doctored the files. I said he was waiting to see if they did. Lots of records to go thru and he was waiting to release.

3. Fact is only u see Trump did this "independent" (lol) investigation take place. You can blather all you want, but the prosecution happened under Trump and the release of the files happened under Trump.

4. You have offered zero evidence that Trump in any who either participated in the Epstein BS or protected any pedo that did participate. He was the only POTUS that got anything done. He released all the files and he got Epstein in jail.

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1. Again, you're claiming Trump "fights for his campaign promises" while simultaneously ignoring that he spent five months actively fighting against the transparency legislation, meeting with Republicans to pressure them to oppose it, having his AG and FBI Director lobby against it, and only reversing course days before the vote when it was clear he'd lost. Can't have it both ways.

2. Yeah, I understood your point the first time. It doesn't change my response. Even as a possibility worth investigating, it's still suggesting that four years could have gone by with potential Biden interference across courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, and none of the multiple parties involved noticed or said anything. The idea is silly. And if Trump was just verifying files for accuracy, why did his DOJ miss the legally mandated deadline for release?

Also, I'm confused on what you're referring to as "word salad." What part did you find hard to follow?

3. I can agree that the prosecution happened during Trump's presidency, but you still haven't explained why SDNY prosecutors being independent is "laughable." That was a bold claim, so I'm curious what you're basing it on. Geoffrey Berman, Trump's own appointee, brought the 2019 Epstein charges and later refused to resign when Trump and Barr tried to force him out because he was investigating Trump's allies. I mean, to me, that's what independence looks like.

4. I never claimed Trump participated in Epstein's crimes or protected pedophiles, so I'm unsure of what you're referring to. I'm not the Ford employee in the video. And again, career prosecutors brought the Epstein case, Trump's DOJ missed the mandated deadline for file release and shut down the active co-conspirator investigation. Some acknowledgement of those facts would be great so that I know you're reading.

I would love for the Ford employees identity and address to get out, so that he is continually being flipped off and people send him middle finger pics for years to come.

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They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Who is "they?" Every post I've made in this thread, aside from my original comment, has been in direct reply to someone else asking questions or replying to me. If you're upset about the conversation turning to Epstein, you'll need to direct that frustration toward the people asking me about it. The OP is literally about someone confronting Trump over Epstein, so I'm not sure why you're surprised the thread went that direction.

You've said I'm posting "mischaracterizations" twice now but won't say which ones. We had this exact exchange before. You claimed I mischaracterized the SDNY/DOJ handover, I asked what I got wrong, and you never answered. If something I've said is false, point it out. In that same exchange I also said I'd be fine keeping Epstein discussion to a specific thread.

Again, if answering questions with verifiable facts is "pushing an agenda," maybe reflect on why the facts bother you.

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I would love for the Ford employees identity and address to get out, so that he is continually being flipped off and people send him middle finger pics for years to come.

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He should be doxxed. How is there a gofundme if he is not doxxed?

Its past time to turn the tactics back on the left.

Don't hire leftist. Don't associate with them. Don't let their kids play on teams with your kids. Don't let your kids be friends with other kids whose parents are leftists.

I hope Ford takes legal action against this worker for disparaging the company. He was at work, in uniform and was not representing himself but was representing The Ford Motor Company.

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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LOL.

Trump is expected to draft the pleadings???

LOL.


Nice narrative you have going there pal.

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They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Who is "they?" Every post I've made in this thread, aside from my original comment, has been in direct reply to someone else asking questions or replying to me. If you're upset about the conversation turning to Epstein, you'll need to direct that frustration toward the people asking me about it. The OP is literally about someone confronting Trump over Epstein, so I'm not sure why you're surprised the thread went that direction.

You've said I'm posting "mischaracterizations" twice now but won't say which ones. We had this exact exchange before. You claimed I mischaracterized the SDNY/DOJ handover, I asked what I got wrong, and you never answered. If something I've said is false, point it out. In that same exchange I also said I'd be fine keeping Epstein discussion to a specific thread.

Again, if answering questions with verifiable facts is "pushing an agenda," maybe reflect on why the facts bother you.

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There is a thread to discuss the ins and outs of the Epstein investigation(s), files, innuendos, mischaracterizations, and more.

Beyond a derail at this point.

But in case you are having issues navigating to the correct thread, please see below.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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Op thought he had a real gotcha on the Goat

Instead he's....

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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LOL.

Trump is expected to draft the pleadings???

LOL.


Nice narrative you have going there pal.

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Uh…what?

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They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Who is "they?" Every post I've made in this thread, aside from my original comment, has been in direct reply to someone else asking questions or replying to me. If you're upset about the conversation turning to Epstein, you'll need to direct that frustration toward the people asking me about it. The OP is literally about someone confronting Trump over Epstein, so I'm not sure why you're surprised the thread went that direction.

You've said I'm posting "mischaracterizations" twice now but won't say which ones. We had this exact exchange before. You claimed I mischaracterized the SDNY/DOJ handover, I asked what I got wrong, and you never answered. If something I've said is false, point it out. In that same exchange I also said I'd be fine keeping Epstein discussion to a specific thread.

Again, if answering questions with verifiable facts is "pushing an agenda," maybe reflect on why the facts bother you.

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There is a thread to discuss the ins and outs of the Epstein investigation(s), files, innuendos, mischaracterizations, and more.

Beyond a derail at this point.

But in case you are having issues navigating to the correct thread, please see below.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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The OP is about someone confronting Trump over Epstein. I've been answering questions people asked me and replying to their responses to my own posts. You keep saying I'm posting "debunked facts and mischaracterizations" but won't say which ones. If you want to correct something I said, go ahead and do it here or in the other thread. Otherwise, you're just complaining that I'm responding to people on a forum.

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flown-the-coop said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Who is "they?" Every post I've made in this thread, aside from my original comment, has been in direct reply to someone else asking questions or replying to me. If you're upset about the conversation turning to Epstein, you'll need to direct that frustration toward the people asking me about it. The OP is literally about someone confronting Trump over Epstein, so I'm not sure why you're surprised the thread went that direction.

You've said I'm posting "mischaracterizations" twice now but won't say which ones. We had this exact exchange before. You claimed I mischaracterized the SDNY/DOJ handover, I asked what I got wrong, and you never answered. If something I've said is false, point it out. In that same exchange I also said I'd be fine keeping Epstein discussion to a specific thread.

Again, if answering questions with verifiable facts is "pushing an agenda," maybe reflect on why the facts bother you.

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There is a thread to discuss the ins and outs of the Epstein investigation(s), files, innuendos, mischaracterizations, and more.

Beyond a derail at this point.

But in case you are having issues navigating to the correct thread, please see below.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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The OP is about someone confronting Trump over Epstein. I've been answering questions people asked me and replying to their responses to my own posts. You keep saying I'm posting "debunked facts and mischaracterizations" but won't say which ones. If you want to correct something I said, go ahead and do it here or in the other thread. Otherwise, you're just complaining that I'm responding to people on a forum.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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Science Denier said:

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Science Denier said:

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Science Denier said:

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gigemtxag2025 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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TRUMP was president. That is the answer.

And, did the sweetheart deal you talked about end in 2016? If not, then then your point is dumb.

And, you talk about an investigation between 2021 and 2024. LOL, what "investigation"? You mean saying there is an investigation in order to not issue any files, or talk about anything under a "pending investigation"?

So, before Trump (2016), nothing happened. During Trump's first term, a federal case was brought and Epstein was put in jail and died there. After Trump, the coverup happened. 4 year "investigation" where zero happened except all files being hidden. Now that Trump is back, the files are released.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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There's a weird assumption throughout this thread that Trump deserves credit for the 2019 prosecution because he was president. Career prosecutors brought that case independently, which is how it's supposed to work.

The Acosta deal ended in 2008; the relevance is Trump made him Labor Secretary in 2017.

Maxwell was convicted in 2021. The investigation that continued from 2021-2024 was into other co-conspirators. Nearly 50 survivors had identified up to 20 men. That investigation was shut down in January 2025.

Again, Trump initially opposed the transparency legislation and only stopped fighting it when it was clear he didn't have the votes to block it. So "now that Trump is back, the files are released" leaves out the part where he tried to prevent that from happening. Not to mention the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline and shut down the co-conspirator investigation.

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LMAO. Trump campaigned on turning over the files. He knew what the files looked like when he was POTUS his first round, but the Biden handlers had 4 years to **** with them. That's when he DELAYED the release. Libs pushed this as those idiots thought there still may be something that indicated Trump, but of course, it didn't. That's the only reason the legislation was made. Trump was always going to release the files. He has always been extremely transparent. He was just not going to release them right away until they were verified to be truthful.

And as far as the "independent prosecutors in New York", that is laughable.

And, what did the 4 year investigation under Biden do? 4 years and nothing. Well, nothing but their ability to hide the files from the publc.

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Campaigning on releasing the files isn't the same thing as releasing them. Of course he would campaign on releasing the files.

I'm not going to sit here and be a champion for Joe Biden, but let's be realistic. There is no evidence that "the Biden handlers" manipulated the files over four years. Those records span courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, many of which were already fixed before he took office. That means you're suggesting a high level of coordinated control across multiple independent parts of the legal system.

Delaying disclosure isn't the same thing as fabricating or scrubbing evidence, and if that had happened, Trump's DOJ would be screaming about it from the rooftops, launching investigations, and filing charges, as they should. Not to mention it's also just structurally implausible for this to have occurred without whistleblowers, paper trails, or litigation blowback from any of those numerous aforementioned parties. Any such discrepancies would've been immediately obvious as well, since those multiple parties (Trump's first DOJ, defense attorneys, civil litigants, and courts) all had copies of these materials and would notice if they'd been altered.

The other stuff you mentioned directly contradicts what actually happened. The act was a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Thomas Massie, Trump spent five months actively fighting it before backing down only when he didn't have the votes, his administration has given contradictory statements about what files exist (Bondi saying a client list was on her desk in February, then the DOJ claiming in July that no such list exists), and the DOJ missed the mandated deadline for release anyway. I don't want to derail the thread with lengthy counterpoints that would be better suited for an Epstein-specific thread.

As for the idea of "independent prosecutors" being laughable, why? It's a bold argument to make against the SDNY of all entities, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Your last paragraph is a question I've already addressed several times in this thread. Maxwell was convicted in 2021, the first year of Biden's administration, and Trump's DOJ shut down the active co-conspirator investigation in January 2025.

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1. Trump has done what he campaigned on. Unlike Obama and Biden, he fights hard for his campaign promises.

2. Your word salad in the corrupt Biden admin has nothing to do with what I said. Never said they doctored the files. I said he was waiting to see if they did. Lots of records to go thru and he was waiting to release.

3. Fact is only u see Trump did this "independent" (lol) investigation take place. You can blather all you want, but the prosecution happened under Trump and the release of the files happened under Trump.

4. You have offered zero evidence that Trump in any who either participated in the Epstein BS or protected any pedo that did participate. He was the only POTUS that got anything done. He released all the files and he got Epstein in jail.

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1. Again, you're claiming Trump "fights for his campaign promises" while simultaneously ignoring that he spent five months actively fighting against the transparency legislation, meeting with Republicans to pressure them to oppose it, having his AG and FBI Director lobby against it, and only reversing course days before the vote when it was clear he'd lost. Can't have it both ways.

2. Yeah, I understood your point the first time. It doesn't change my response. Even as a possibility worth investigating, it's still suggesting that four years could have gone by with potential Biden interference across courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, and none of the multiple parties involved noticed or said anything. The idea is silly. And if Trump was just verifying files for accuracy, why did his DOJ miss the legally mandated deadline for release?

Also, I'm confused on what you're referring to as "word salad." What part did you find hard to follow?

3. I can agree that the prosecution happened during Trump's presidency, but you still haven't explained why SDNY prosecutors being independent is "laughable." That was a bold claim, so I'm curious what you're basing it on. Geoffrey Berman, Trump's own appointee, brought the 2019 Epstein charges and later refused to resign when Trump and Barr tried to force him out because he was investigating Trump's allies. I mean, to me, that's what independence looks like.

4. I never claimed Trump participated in Epstein's crimes or protected pedophiles, so I'm unsure of what you're referring to. I'm not the Ford employee in the video. And again, career prosecutors brought the Epstein case, Trump's DOJ missed the mandated deadline for file release and shut down the active co-conspirator investigation. Some acknowledgement of those facts would be great so that I know you're reading.

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1. Trump wanted to delay the release in order to make sure the Biden handlers didn't jack with the files and to make sure no innocent people were in the handover package.
2. He stopped the investigation in order to be able to release the files. Can't release them if there is an on-going investigation.
3. The investigation itself was BS cover to not release the files in the first place. When you have an open investigation for 4 years and uncover zero, that's a bogus investigation.

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They want to turn this into another Epstein thread instead of one about a former ford employee who disrespected hisself m, his company and his POTUS for a viral moment he hoped could be used for monetary gain.

They are repeating debunked "facts" and failed mis-characterizations to try and flood the zone with bad info in an effort to push their agenda.

Ford dude is an embarrassment. Nothing more.

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Who is "they?" Every post I've made in this thread, aside from my original comment, has been in direct reply to someone else asking questions or replying to me. If you're upset about the conversation turning to Epstein, you'll need to direct that frustration toward the people asking me about it. The OP is literally about someone confronting Trump over Epstein, so I'm not sure why you're surprised the thread went that direction.

You've said I'm posting "mischaracterizations" twice now but won't say which ones. We had this exact exchange before. You claimed I mischaracterized the SDNY/DOJ handover, I asked what I got wrong, and you never answered. If something I've said is false, point it out. In that same exchange I also said I'd be fine keeping Epstein discussion to a specific thread.

Again, if answering questions with verifiable facts is "pushing an agenda," maybe reflect on why the facts bother you.

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There is a thread to discuss the ins and outs of the Epstein investigation(s), files, innuendos, mischaracterizations, and more.

Beyond a derail at this point.

But in case you are having issues navigating to the correct thread, please see below.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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The OP is about someone confronting Trump over Epstein. I've been answering questions people asked me and replying to their responses to my own posts. You keep saying I'm posting "debunked facts and mischaracterizations" but won't say which ones. If you want to correct something I said, go ahead and do it here or in the other thread. Otherwise, you're just complaining that I'm responding to people on a forum.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/

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Yep, saw it. Point out which facts I got wrong in that thread and I'll be sure to respond.

Wasting your time. They continue to ignore the other thread that has been covering these points for months and are derailing this one to rehash prior falsities. Best let them pursue their noble quest on their own and not engage. You will just be met with a wall of Reddit that is based on the fictional MSM (un)reality they live in.

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The man will be able to retire. His go fund me will most likely be over half a million dollars by the end of the day.

https://gofund.me/e7721abcc

Calling the president out as a "pedofile protector" pays off, apparently.

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Speaking the truth leads to good things.

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Says that poster who voted for Biden
You know, the guy on camera pinching little girls breasts.

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Who was the President in 2019? Why did nothing happen from 2021-2024? Or before 2016?

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The 2019 case was brought by career prosecutors at SDNY, not by Trump. Epstein died in federal custody before trial. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and the investigation into co-conspirators continued through 2024 until January 2025, when the files were transferred to DOJ headquarters and the investigation was shut down. So to answer your question, things *were* happening from 2021-2024, they just stopped when Trump took office.

Also, "nothing happened" before 2016 because Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 that gave immunity to his co-conspirators, which was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who Trump later appointed as Labor Secretary in 2017.

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TRUMP was president. That is the answer.

And, did the sweetheart deal you talked about end in 2016? If not, then then your point is dumb.

And, you talk about an investigation between 2021 and 2024. LOL, what "investigation"? You mean saying there is an investigation in order to not issue any files, or talk about anything under a "pending investigation"?

So, before Trump (2016), nothing happened. During Trump's first term, a federal case was brought and Epstein was put in jail and died there. After Trump, the coverup happened. 4 year "investigation" where zero happened except all files being hidden. Now that Trump is back, the files are released.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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There's a weird assumption throughout this thread that Trump deserves credit for the 2019 prosecution because he was president. Career prosecutors brought that case independently, which is how it's supposed to work.

The Acosta deal ended in 2008; the relevance is Trump made him Labor Secretary in 2017.

Maxwell was convicted in 2021. The investigation that continued from 2021-2024 was into other co-conspirators. Nearly 50 survivors had identified up to 20 men. That investigation was shut down in January 2025.

Again, Trump initially opposed the transparency legislation and only stopped fighting it when it was clear he didn't have the votes to block it. So "now that Trump is back, the files are released" leaves out the part where he tried to prevent that from happening. Not to mention the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline and shut down the co-conspirator investigation.

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LMAO. Trump campaigned on turning over the files. He knew what the files looked like when he was POTUS his first round, but the Biden handlers had 4 years to **** with them. That's when he DELAYED the release. Libs pushed this as those idiots thought there still may be something that indicated Trump, but of course, it didn't. That's the only reason the legislation was made. Trump was always going to release the files. He has always been extremely transparent. He was just not going to release them right away until they were verified to be truthful.

And as far as the "independent prosecutors in New York", that is laughable.

And, what did the 4 year investigation under Biden do? 4 years and nothing. Well, nothing but their ability to hide the files from the publc.

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Campaigning on releasing the files isn't the same thing as releasing them. Of course he would campaign on releasing the files.

I'm not going to sit here and be a champion for Joe Biden, but let's be realistic. There is no evidence that "the Biden handlers" manipulated the files over four years. Those records span courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, many of which were already fixed before he took office. That means you're suggesting a high level of coordinated control across multiple independent parts of the legal system.

Delaying disclosure isn't the same thing as fabricating or scrubbing evidence, and if that had happened, Trump's DOJ would be screaming about it from the rooftops, launching investigations, and filing charges, as they should. Not to mention it's also just structurally implausible for this to have occurred without whistleblowers, paper trails, or litigation blowback from any of those numerous aforementioned parties. Any such discrepancies would've been immediately obvious as well, since those multiple parties (Trump's first DOJ, defense attorneys, civil litigants, and courts) all had copies of these materials and would notice if they'd been altered.

The other stuff you mentioned directly contradicts what actually happened. The act was a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Thomas Massie, Trump spent five months actively fighting it before backing down only when he didn't have the votes, his administration has given contradictory statements about what files exist (Bondi saying a client list was on her desk in February, then the DOJ claiming in July that no such list exists), and the DOJ missed the mandated deadline for release anyway. I don't want to derail the thread with lengthy counterpoints that would be better suited for an Epstein-specific thread.

As for the idea of "independent prosecutors" being laughable, why? It's a bold argument to make against the SDNY of all entities, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Your last paragraph is a question I've already addressed several times in this thread. Maxwell was convicted in 2021, the first year of Biden's administration, and Trump's DOJ shut down the active co-conspirator investigation in January 2025.

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1. Trump has done what he campaigned on. Unlike Obama and Biden, he fights hard for his campaign promises.

2. Your word salad in the corrupt Biden admin has nothing to do with what I said. Never said they doctored the files. I said he was waiting to see if they did. Lots of records to go thru and he was waiting to release.

3. Fact is only u see Trump did this "independent" (lol) investigation take place. You can blather all you want, but the prosecution happened under Trump and the release of the files happened under Trump.

4. You have offered zero evidence that Trump in any who either participated in the Epstein BS or protected any pedo that did participate. He was the only POTUS that got anything done. He released all the files and he got Epstein in jail.

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1. Again, you're claiming Trump "fights for his campaign promises" while simultaneously ignoring that he spent five months actively fighting against the transparency legislation, meeting with Republicans to pressure them to oppose it, having his AG and FBI Director lobby against it, and only reversing course days before the vote when it was clear he'd lost. Can't have it both ways.

2. Yeah, I understood your point the first time. It doesn't change my response. Even as a possibility worth investigating, it's still suggesting that four years could have gone by with potential Biden interference across courts, grand juries, trials, and civil cases, and none of the multiple parties involved noticed or said anything. The idea is silly. And if Trump was just verifying files for accuracy, why did his DOJ miss the legally mandated deadline for release?

Also, I'm confused on what you're referring to as "word salad." What part did you find hard to follow?

3. I can agree that the prosecution happened during Trump's presidency, but you still haven't explained why SDNY prosecutors being independent is "laughable." That was a bold claim, so I'm curious what you're basing it on. Geoffrey Berman, Trump's own appointee, brought the 2019 Epstein charges and later refused to resign when Trump and Barr tried to force him out because he was investigating Trump's allies. I mean, to me, that's what independence looks like.

4. I never claimed Trump participated in Epstein's crimes or protected pedophiles, so I'm unsure of what you're referring to. I'm not the Ford employee in the video. And again, career prosecutors brought the Epstein case, Trump's DOJ missed the mandated deadline for file release and shut down the active co-conspirator investigation. Some acknowledgement of those facts would be great so that I know you're reading.

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1. Trump wanted to delay the release in order to make sure the Biden handlers didn't jack with the files and to make sure no innocent people were in the handover package.
2. He stopped the investigation in order to be able to release the files. Can't release them if there is an on-going investigation.
3. The investigation itself was BS cover to not release the files in the first place. When you have an open investigation for 4 years and uncover zero, that's a bogus investigation.

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1. Already addressed this exactly as you've repeated it here. Even as a possibility, it requires believing multiple parties with copies wouldn't notice tampering. It's absurd. And it doesn't explain why Trump's DOJ missed the legal deadline.

2. This is just wrong. The transparency legislation required release of sealed documents from concluded cases, which are Epstein's death and Maxwell's trial. Shutting down investigations into other co-conspirators has nothing to do with releasing those documents. The legal requirement you're citing doesn't exist.

3. You're dismissing Maxwell's conviction and the work with 50 survivors as "zero." It's a major conviction plus active investigation.

You're just repeating yourself. I guess I am now, too, since it's questionable if you're reading what I'm sending you.

EDIT: Just saw your edit. Redaction and legal review are standard processes that should happen within the mandated timeline, which is what the deadline was for. Missing it means either the review was mismanaged or it wasn't actually the priority. Either way, it doesn't justify shutting down investigations into other perpetrators.

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The Ford worker isn't wrong. The guy said what needed to be said. Got his response and was sent home. All fair on both sides.

Release the files - let the chips fall
Arrest someone for the love of God.

We're all tired of waiting.

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Trump is not a pedophile so employee was wrong.

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I would have more sympathy for Trump if the guy had been calling Trump a pedophile like most of the dumbass dems are doing these days. Because there is no evidence at all that Trump had anything to do with Epstein's blackmail/pedo ring…. unlike Clinton (for example).

Unfortunately I can't defend Trump against the charge of his admin protecting pedo's because his administration has obviously been running interference for people (and it's not even for himself). Why he let himself get dragged into this mess is beyond me.

Listening to very bad advice again is my guess.

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I think refusing to release the files on a known pedo and calling it a hoax. Is likely the reason he was being called that.

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Wow, Biden actually showered with his own daughter and molested women and children on camera freely and didn't do a damn thing about it for four years but didn't get called this. Weird

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It has been lost on me (about 0%) that the prosecution of Jeffery Epstein began ONLY because of Trump's presidency. It started in his 1st term and and straggled on until now.

Otherwise, there were too many people to protect for JE to be prosecuted.


Trump has ALWAYS been strong against human trafficking.

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Supporting Trump or not, this just isn't the truth. The case against Epstein wasn't a Trump initiative and was brought in 2019 by the Southern District of New York.

In January 2025, SDNY prosecutors were ordered to transfer the Epstein case files to DOJ headquarters, where the investigation into co-conspirators was shut down without the prosecutors' knowledge. Trump also initially opposed the transparency legislation before backing down when it was clear it would pass…not to mention that the controversy now is surrounding the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline to release the files.

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The 'facts' you bring are directly from Raskin. Not facts.

See his November 3,2025 letter. LOL.

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The feds had Epstein killed. So what "pedo" is Trump protecting?

Are the "pedos" a bunch of sleazy moguls getting rubbed down by 16 and 17 year olds? Not excusing that behavior, but this whole "Epstien Client List" has taken on a life of its own, being conflated with child sex. In reality, these dbags could have been lied to about the girls ages while they were getting the Robert Kraft Island special.

Im not defending any illegal misconduct, just that there likely isnt any evidence to charge these guys, therefore they cant be accused publicly. The main girl snitching got suicided.

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Epstein died in federal custody during Trump's first term, under Trump's DOJ, so I'm not sure that helps your point. Also, you're underselling things. Victims as young as 14 were identified, and the investigation documented a trafficking operation, not "spa services" like you're implying.

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Hillary got him. Duh.

But why push Raskins narrative if you want to be truthful?

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The man will be able to retire. His go fund me will most likely be over half a million dollars by the end of the day.

https://gofund.me/e7721abcc

Calling the president out as a "pedofile protector" pays off, apparently.

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Speaking the truth leads to good things.

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LOL. Sending this guy money via gofundme just brands those who do as a bigger idiot than the dude that made the comment. Likely we have some on this thread who donated.

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It has been lost on me (about 0%) that the prosecution of Jeffery Epstein began ONLY because of Trump's presidency. It started in his 1st term and and straggled on until now.

Otherwise, there were too many people to protect for JE to be prosecuted.


Trump has ALWAYS been strong against human trafficking.

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Supporting Trump or not, this just isn't the truth. The case against Epstein wasn't a Trump initiative and was brought in 2019 by the Southern District of New York.

In January 2025, SDNY prosecutors were ordered to transfer the Epstein case files to DOJ headquarters, where the investigation into co-conspirators was shut down without the prosecutors' knowledge. Trump also initially opposed the transparency legislation before backing down when it was clear it would pass…not to mention that the controversy now is surrounding the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline to release the files.

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The 'facts' you bring are directly from Raskin. Not facts.

See his November 3,2025 letter. LOL.

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If Raskin had fabricated those details in an official congressional letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi, sent from the House Judiciary Committee in a Republican-controlled Congress, Trump's DOJ would have immediately issued a statement refuting it. Republicans on the Judiciary Committee would have destroyed him for lying in official correspondence. Neither happened.

Republican Representatives also later joined Raskin in criticizing the DOJ's handling of the files, so you have to wonder why they would do that if Raskin was just making stuff up.

It's documented fact that the FBI and DOJ publicly announced in July 2025 that they closed the investigation. Raskin's letter provides additional details about how that happened based on congressional testimony and information from survivor advocates. The Trump administration hasn't disputed the timeline.

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It has been lost on me (about 0%) that the prosecution of Jeffery Epstein began ONLY because of Trump's presidency. It started in his 1st term and and straggled on until now.

Otherwise, there were too many people to protect for JE to be prosecuted.


Trump has ALWAYS been strong against human trafficking.

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Supporting Trump or not, this just isn't the truth. The case against Epstein wasn't a Trump initiative and was brought in 2019 by the Southern District of New York.

In January 2025, SDNY prosecutors were ordered to transfer the Epstein case files to DOJ headquarters, where the investigation into co-conspirators was shut down without the prosecutors' knowledge. Trump also initially opposed the transparency legislation before backing down when it was clear it would pass…not to mention that the controversy now is surrounding the fact that his DOJ missed the legally mandated deadline to release the files.

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The 'facts' you bring are directly from Raskin. Not facts.

See his November 3,2025 letter. LOL.

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If Raskin had fabricated those details in an official congressional letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi, sent from the House Judiciary Committee in a Republican-controlled Congress, Trump's DOJ would have immediately issued a statement refuting it. Republicans on the Judiciary Committee would have destroyed him for lying in official correspondence. Neither happened.

Republican Representatives also later joined Raskin in criticizing the DOJ's handling of the files, so you have to wonder why they would do that if Raskin was just making stuff up.

It's documented fact that the FBI and DOJ publicly announced in July 2025 that they closed the investigation. Raskin's letter provides additional details about how that happened based on congressional testimony and information from survivor advocates. The Trump administration hasn't disputed the timeline.

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Confirming your jaundiced source. Nice.

The Clintons have killed in the past. In Arkansas and D.C