CrackerJackAg said:

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As a Christian I am not sure I agree with prosecution. No one was harmed.

I would pray, for an obvious miracle, that these people find God.

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As a Christian, I would hope Jesus wouldn't flip the tables of the money changers in the temple. No one was harmed. Instead, we should pray for them.

Malibu said:

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Haven't read much of this thread. Last I checked trespassing on private property is illegal.

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Some sanity. It doesn't matter what either group thinks of the other. The law is the law. Or used to be.

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Logos Stick said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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As a Christian I am not sure I agree with prosecution. No one was harmed.

I would pray, for an obvious miracle, that these people find God.

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As a Christian, I'm disappointed the church isn't a crime scene with lots of chalk.

I believe that terrorists should suffer swift, aggressive consequences that ends their ability to terrorize ever again.

Christians, the right, conservatives have turned the other cheek for too long, and now it is out of control. These terrorists aren't far from chaining doors shut and lighting buildings on fire.

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So not Christianity. Nothing in the Gospels tells of turning The Jews or Roman's into chalk lines

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So per your interpretation, hiring an off duty armed cop to protect the worship service and potentially kill a gunman is not Christianity. We should simply let the gunman come in and kill everyone?!

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That would be an extreme understanding today.

However, not out of line of early Christian followers during the pre-Nicene. It would have been the prevailing ideal at the time.

I don't believe this is the case for me. I think there is an obvious case for defending the lives of your family and friends.

IN THIS CASE NO WAS ONE PHYSICALLY HARMED.

You are creating false scenarios to justify the ends you desire.

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So, if someone pulls out a gun and shoots several rounds at you, but misses, since no one was physically harmed, there's no crime to be punished?

No harm, no foul...

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Really going to pretend there is not a variance of no harm no foul?

Is that an honest argument? Surely not. You didn't actually intend that to be an argument did you.

Again this is a hypothetical and I have only spoken in regards to what actually happened and not hypothetical gunfire.

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You seem to be fixated on physical harm. That's why I used the example.


What is the harm if you don't get hit by the bullet?

The answer is that you have fear for your life.


What is the harm if a mob of people swarm into your church?

The answer is that you have fear for your life.

None of those people in that church knew if the idiots were going to do something stupid, like setting things on fire or something (since they have seen that behavior in MSP before).

Your view apparently is that unless someone gets hurt, there's no harm no foul. That's not correct at all. There WAS harm.

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Correct. The most minimal type for the crime.

Feel like you are kind of making my point for me.

Varying degrees and this was the most minimal.

MY POINT FROM THE BEGINNING IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE CIVIL AUTHORITIES SHOULD DO THEIR JOB.

My perspective is whether or not , as Christian's and the Church should we be pushing for maximum prosecution when very little/the minimal/however you want to phrase it damage was done.

Some of you guys are talking about imprisoning people for 20 years over something like that. This has not come across justice, but retribution and vengeance. I don't think that's what we should be pushing for as Christians.

The people "protesting" are disgusting. God didn't say love the people you like. It's not easy.

My opinion. Not based on hypotheticals but on what happened.

CrackerJackAg said:

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Your church would shoot someone that is unarmed for entering the building and causing a scene?

That's not terribly law and order or Christian. It's just illegal and wrong.

I'm guessing you are not in charge of any security.

Edited…. Don't want to offer information to possibly put my identity on the boards. Too many hateful people that go after people in this world.

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If I believed someone was a physical threat to one of my parishioners, even if they are unarmed, damned straight I'd shoot them!

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Can we name one person who has been convicted or gone to jail for any of the stuff? Clinton, Comey, Brennan, protesters??? There has been no deterrent. Until there is this continues to happen. Honestly I think the republicans are just as happy to let this stuff continue because they think it helps them get votes.

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Trump doesn't need any more votes.

Trump is on a revenge tour.

This is a perfect opportunity for him.

Luckily, he doesn't need congress for permission to enforce Federal law.

Congress passed the FACE and KKK act. They have made it clear that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

4stringAg said:

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Don Lemon claiming the churchgoers are white supremacists and using his gay black man status will claim he's the persecuted one.

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Like most of those churchgoers even know who he was, much less that he was gay. He was fired for low ratings, after all.

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Would there be any federal charges that he could be hit with? That would make my day!!

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Read the thread.

He is 100% guilty of violating the FACE act, which specifically prevents people from interrupting 1st amendment expressions of religion in a place of worship. The law fits his behavior to a T.

He is also likely guilty of a host of other crimes, including violating the KKK law.

Breaking the KKK law allows the cops access to your bank records to fish for other legal violations.

Me Thinks that Mr. Lemon is about to get a very thorough enema from the DOJ.

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Haven't read much of this thread. Last I checked trespassing on private property is illegal.

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Yes, but this is Minneapolis. They will not be arrested for breaking any state or local law.

The Feds must arrest them. Even then, it's most likely nothing will happen because they will be tried in a district court that is in that area.

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Not if he sent one email from another state to the group that eventually planned the Siege of Cities Church. He will be tried from that town. That might not be good for him.

Is this from KKK Act? That looks different from what I have seen in the FACE act.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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As a Christian I am not sure I agree with prosecution. No one was harmed.

I would pray, for an obvious miracle, that these people find God.

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As a Christian, I would hope Jesus wouldn't flip the tables of the money changers in the temple. No one was harmed. Instead, we should pray for them.

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This sounds more like the time when Jesus told his disciples to sell their cloak to buy a sword, to me.

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Is this from KKK Act? That looks different from what I have seen in the FACE act.

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Same act as was posted above mine. The penalties for repeat offenders escalate dramatically. Why I was asying pile on the counts and charges.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Your church would shoot someone that is unarmed for entering the building and causing a scene?

That's not terribly law and order or Christian. It's just illegal and wrong.

I'm guessing you are not in charge of any security.

Edited…. Don't want to offer information to possibly put my identity on the boards. Too many hateful people that go after people in this world.

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If I believed someone was a physical threat to one of my parishioners, even if they are unarmed, damned straight I'd shoot them!

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It's not about "law and order". It's not about your security detail... It's about people protecting their families.

Everyone seems to be forgetting a church is full of the elderly, children, and babies! Men in most churches will fight to their last pint of blood to defend their families. Most mothers become mama bears if their children are in danger. Many men and even women are carrying in church - that's a fact.

Here's what I worry about. A bunch of anti-church crazies march into a sanctuary and raise hell. Crazies start harassing and knock over some high-school boys elderly grandmother. High-school boy goes crazy on the intruders and a fight starts. Everyone remembers the last church shooting and NOBODY, even those on a security team, know if the crazies are armed or not. One of the mob goes for something in their pocket and things go bad fast.

Church services and protesting is a disaster waiting to happen.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Your church would shoot someone that is unarmed for entering the building and causing a scene?

That's not terribly law and order or Christian. It's just illegal and wrong.

I'm guessing you are not in charge of any security.

Edited…. Don't want to offer information to possibly put my identity on the boards. Too many hateful people that go after people in this world.

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If I believed someone was a physical threat to one of my parishioners, even if they are unarmed, damned straight I'd shoot them!

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It's not about "law and order". It's not about your security detail... It's about people protecting their families.

Everyone seems to be forgetting a church is full of the elderly, children, and babies! Men in most churches will fight to their last pint of blood to defend their families. Most mothers become mama bears if their children are in danger. Many men and even women are carrying in church - that's a fact.

Here's what I worry about. A bunch of anti-church crazies march into a sanctuary and raise hell. Crazies start harassing and knock over some high-school boys elderly grandmother. High-school boy goes crazy on the intruders and a fight starts. Everyone remembers the last church shooting and NOBODY, even those on a security team, know if the crazies are armed or not. One of the mob goes for something in their pocket and things go bad fast.

Church services and protesting is a disaster waiting to happen.

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Not to mention the trampling effect if everyone panics. Usually churches are close to full capacity during services and if you introduce a large hostile crowd pushing in from the outside, it doesn't take much imagination to envision a very bad scenario of people trying to get out in a panic.

I am a Christian, but if that happened in my church, Krazykat is going into Rampage Mode and cracking some skulls.

Following. Want to learn how to deal with these scenarios to discuss with our church security council. We're all already packing.

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As much as I hate those people invading a church, hear me when i tell you, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. There will be ZERO consequences. The DOJ will go on Fox News and ***** about it and then issue a strongly worded letter. NOTHING will happen. These anarchists fear nothing and no one in the current administration. We are STILL waiting for ONE arrest and conviction from all of the s##t over the last 10 years. NOTHING! The Trump administration is starting to look weak on matters like this. All talk. No action. Prove me wrong.

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Bookmarked.

I give it a 50-50 chance that we see multiple arrests that result in at least some prison time. Especially the jerk that was cussing at kids.

This is the time when I wish that DeSantis was POTUS. He might be a dufus, but he is much better and fearless about wielding executive power.

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Fundies

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Just more dehumanizing. How many more people do y'all need to kill for not being radicals? When is attacking innocent people going too far?

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Lemon doubling down

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The left has no credibility. "White supremacists."

Gaslighting racist.

4stringAg said:

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Don Lemon claiming the churchgoers are white supremacists and using his gay black man status will claim he's the persecuted one.

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Time to sue him for defamation

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Following. Want to learn how to deal with these scenarios to discuss with our church security council. We're all already packing.

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In Texas, protestors violently invading your church are in just as much danger as a protestor violently invading your home.

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In Texas, the Castle Doctrine traditionally applies to your home, vehicle, and workplace, but a 2019 law (SB 535) clarified that places of worship (like churches) are generally treated like other private property, meaning they fall under "Stand Your Ground" rather than strictly the Castle Doctrine, allowing licensed carriers to defend themselves without retreat if lawfully present and threatened. While not explicitly part of the Castle Doctrine's core definition, churches are treated similarly to other private property, allowing for self-defense under the Stand Your Ground principle, where you can use force (including deadly) if lawfully present and threatened, without a duty to retreat.
Key Points:

• Castle Doctrine Focus: Primarily applies to your home, vehicle, and business, removing the duty to retreat from intruders.
• Churches & SB 535: Senate Bill 535 in 2019 clarified that places of worship are treated like other private property, extending similar self-defense rights.
• Stand Your Ground: This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, in any place they are lawfully present, without a duty to retreat, if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury.
• Application to Churches: Because of SB 535, a person lawfully present in a church (like a congregant or licensed carrier) can generally use force, including deadly force, to defend themselves without retreating, similar to the Castle Doctrine's protections in homes/vehicles.

In essence, while churches aren't explicitly named in the original "home" definition of the Castle Doctrine, Texas law treats them as places where you have a right to be, allowing for Stand Your Ground protections, which provides similar rights to use force against threats without retreating.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I would be worried about getting lit up in a church in Texas the moment I looked like I presented a threat.

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As much as I hate those people invading a church, hear me when i tell you, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. There will be ZERO consequences. The DOJ will go on Fox News and ***** about it and then issue a strongly worded letter. NOTHING will happen. These anarchists fear nothing and no one in the current administration. We are STILL waiting for ONE arrest and conviction from all of the s##t over the last 10 years. NOTHING! The Trump administration is starting to look weak on matters like this. All talk. No action. Prove me wrong.

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Bookmarked.

I give it a 50-50 chance that we see multiple arrests that result in at least some prison time. Especially the jerk that was cussing at kids.

This is the time when I wish that DeSantis was POTUS. He might be a dufus, but he is much better and fearless about wielding executive power.

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Keep dreaming. Disrupting and terrorizing a church service should be considered off limits by anyone not deranged and dangerous. This DOJ won't do anything beyond strongly worded letters and maybe some congressional testimony for Fox News. We will hear about an investigation that somehow never goes anywhere. Sean Hannity will be 'OUTRAGED' for an evening and then we will move on to the next daily freak shows assaulting law and order. Wake me up when anyone in the Trump administration or DOJ really gives a s##t.

The biggest difference between this event and every other promise of perp walks that Trump has made is that zero of these protestors are part of the political elite. The only one that might be protected is Lemon, and he might even be subject to being served up as a sacrificial lamb.

It will be interesting to see if the Trump DOJ taps the breaks when the people being prosecuted are not tied to the political elite. You are betting the house that this is all about Trump being weak, when it is very plausible that even Trump is not able to pierce the armor against prosecution that the royalty in DC are provided the moment they decide to participate in the suicide pact that everyone seems to be part of on the Hill.

Time will tell, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that this is different than trying to put legislators or bureaucrats in prison.

crackerjack - the commie terrorists broke the law. You are being soft on crime. Not prosecuting the terrorist only encourages them to continue threating church members.

Lemon is a queer marxist agitator who hates America.

That wasn't nice.

But he is a racist that thinks that all white people are white supremacists, and views every single person he talks to primarily through a racial lens. He made that pretty clear today.

Ducksplat said:

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It is a bad idea to deploy US Marines for domestic operations. We aren't communists trained to break, kill and destroy the enemy to the point of complete destruction. Not a good look taking down the pawns of the deep state ( ie liberal white woman, queers, **** men, ignorant minorities ) via USMC. The army is better suited to occupy and pacify without massive casualties.

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Minnesota has effectively declared war on the United States of America. Whatever is available should be used. We should immediately withhold any federal aid, put every Minnesotan on the no fly list, freeze the assets of the state and its citizens, send whatever force is necessary in place and declare martial law. I have a few Minnesota snowbirds in my golf group and I ran that by them yesterday. If the federal reserve bank could cut Minnesotans off from their bank accounts even better. Why are we treating Minnesota any differently than we do countries with which we're at war?

Sorry, but I got to speak up on this. "For there is no authority except from God" applies to ALL authorities, not just kings, not just at that time. Even Satan cannot do a single thing without God allowing it, so of course Biden et al. were all enabled by God. Remember, bad leaders (that were selected) were also indictments on the people they were subject to, like Saul when Israel denied God ruling them directly. Bad leaders endanger their subjects, but wicked people invite wicked rule, as well. And the rulers that were in place during Paul's time were most certainly wicked, so implying that Biden making it meaning that passage no longer applies doesn't logically follow. The church was being persecuted by the government at that time!

Again, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO ANY OF THEM.

I haven't kept up with this thread/idiot Lemon at all, but I have to say it's simply beyond my comedic powers parody that Dhillon announced on MLK day KKK act charges will be brought against him/others.

Please God let Don Lemon - a gay black dude - get charged under the Ku Klux Klan act. It's too good https://t.co/R8qkYOjddy

— captive dreamer (@captive_dreamer) January 19, 2026

Oh, and he somehow doubled down in an interview afterward and said the congregation is a group of 'white supremacists?' Again, the incredible humor of this situation to me is just off the charts. I can't even get mad about it right now/still.

I don't know what his chances were before, but he must have at least doubled his odds at getting the DNC nomination for POTUS in 2028 with this little theatrical violent stunt of idiocy.