White Flight in Frisco, TX

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scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"

Yes. Infinity Ag thinks you're an annoyance and you need to go because they want to be left alone.
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ChoppinDs40 said:

What do you expect? They come from a country where people still **** in the streets.

Let's not cast stones We have that in this country as well.
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TMfrisco said:

I lived in Frisco from '95 thru Nov '25.
My daughter graduated HS in '21. She went K-12 with probably 40 other kids. It was wonderful for her.
FISD is running into a huge problem due to the cost of housing. Young families cannot afford to buy a home in Frisco where the median home price was recently around $600K.
The families we know are looking to leave as their kids finish school, but the housing market and job market are killing that. They have homes that are(or are nearly) paid off. Sure they have tremendous equity, but any kind of housing upgrade they might look for would eat up all that equity and then some. Plus, they are all of an age now where finding new jobs is not the easiest thing in the world.

Are H1B visas the reason young "white" families can't afford Frisco housing and Asians can? Maybe.

We loved the time we spent there. Would I move there now? Not a chance.

There is only 1 HS in Frisco where you will find a non-Asian name in the Top 10 Graduates that gets posted every year. Who's fault is that? By the way, our daughter finished 4th in her class and the Valedictorian was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl. You won't see that again anytime soon.




Haha, Frisco. Not only are the Indians moving in, but they're wealthy enough to price whitey out of their own suburbs. I heard Bridgeland is still accepting white settlers.
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scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"

Just don't vote democrat and we cool brother

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Muy said:

TMfrisco said:

I lived in Frisco from '95 thru Nov '25.
My daughter graduated HS in '21. She went K-12 with probably 40 other kids. It was wonderful for her.
FISD is running into a huge problem due to the cost of housing. Young families cannot afford to buy a home in Frisco where the median home price was recently around $600K.
The families we know are looking to leave as their kids finish school, but the housing market and job market are killing that. They have homes that are(or are nearly) paid off. Sure they have tremendous equity, but any kind of housing upgrade they might look for would eat up all that equity and then some. Plus, they are all of an age now where finding new jobs is not the easiest thing in the world.

Are H1B visas the reason young "white" families can't afford Frisco housing and Asians can? Maybe.

We loved the time we spent there. Would I move there now? Not a chance.

There is only 1 HS in Frisco where you will find a non-Asian name in the Top 10 Graduates that gets posted every year. Who's fault is that? By the way, our daughter finished 4th in her class and the Valedictorian was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl. You won't see that again anytime soon.




Lone Star?

I fortunately bought an old home 3 years ago in Old Downtown Frisco, remodeled it and it's a completely different environment than the McMansion days. Moved to Frisco in 2004 and don't recognize it. Stick to my restaurants and bars and aside from the **** drivers, I avoid them pretty much.

She didn't go to Lone Star.
Wakeland is the only one you can now find a non-asian name in the top 10. She didn't go there either.

I , with a partner, owned 5 houses on Pecan St at one time - the wrong time, either side of 2008. I didn't make much money, but feel like I did my part in helping revitalize downtown! lol

I bought out my partner on one of them and sold it to a Hispanic family that worked for me. He is at retirement age now and it is worth 2 or 3 times what he paid me for it and he hasn't really done anything to it. Nice help for his retirement.
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94chem said:

TMfrisco said:

I lived in Frisco from '95 thru Nov '25.
My daughter graduated HS in '21. She went K-12 with probably 40 other kids. It was wonderful for her.
FISD is running into a huge problem due to the cost of housing. Young families cannot afford to buy a home in Frisco where the median home price was recently around $600K.
The families we know are looking to leave as their kids finish school, but the housing market and job market are killing that. They have homes that are(or are nearly) paid off. Sure they have tremendous equity, but any kind of housing upgrade they might look for would eat up all that equity and then some. Plus, they are all of an age now where finding new jobs is not the easiest thing in the world.

Are H1B visas the reason young "white" families can't afford Frisco housing and Asians can? Maybe.

We loved the time we spent there. Would I move there now? Not a chance.

There is only 1 HS in Frisco where you will find a non-Asian name in the Top 10 Graduates that gets posted every year. Who's fault is that? By the way, our daughter finished 4th in her class and the Valedictorian was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl. You won't see that again anytime soon.




Haha, Frisco. Not only are the Indians moving in, but they're wealthy enough to price whitey out of their own suburbs. I heard Bridgeland is still accepting white settlers.

I don't think they are pricing whitey out. I just think $600K is pretty hard for a young family to afford.
Our first house in Frisco was a 3/2 1800 sq ft that cost $120K when my wife and I were making about $60K combined. Our 2nd house - nothing special - more than tripled in value in 25 years. It is a great house 250 yards from the elementary school and across the street from a giant park. The cost now is prohibitive to a young family. It will be bad for FISD.

To be clear, I don't care that the top10 and top 10% are filled with Asian names. But to pretend it hasn't changed Frisco would be disingenuous.
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scd88 said:

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"

I'll tackle this one, even though it's not easy.

Surely you can understand that this is a micro/macro issue.

Yes, individual immigrants and their families are often fine, outstanding people who contribute to their communities and the nation as a whole.

But when their numbers swamp the existing citizenry, they are no longer "fitting in." They are changing the very fabric of the community and eventually chasing off or crowding out those who have a long history of being American. And that's especially so if the immigrants come from a clannish culture.

The evidence is very clear that Indian immigrants have overwhelmed many of the suburban areas across the US in less than two decades. The sheer numbers suggest fraud and collusion, both in terms of their immigration legality and the jobs they hold.

And the boldness with which many new immigrants mock Americans and American traditions hasn't helped. It should come as no surprise that there is a rapidly growing backlash. Just the other day I read about the Indian CIO at Arizona State -- which graduates 1,000 computer science majors a year -- hiring H1B visa holders to fill IT positions at the university.

Does that seem right to you? It does to her, and many of her fellow countrymen/women, because it is happening everywhere.

I would imagine that people in India would not be pleased if Americans arrived by the thousands each year and began buying up the country, taking all the jobs and changing the culture of communities in a couple of decades.
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scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"

You forgot something on your list of things that Indian immigrants do not do (as long as we're making generalizations about an entire ethnicity with blanket statements).

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/failed-cdl-test-10-times-new-details-on-indian-origin-harjinder-singh-who-took-wrong-u-turn-in-florida-killed-3/articleshow/124790140.cms

https://www.truckersnews.com/news/article/15773143/newlywed-couple-dies-in-latest-crash-involving-indian-trucker-in-us-illegally-who-received-cdl-from-calif

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-california-truck-crash-caught-on-cam-customs-says-indian-driver-jashanpreet-singh-illegal-immigrant-high-on-drugs-9502627

ETA: The point is to keep out illegals, eject those who are already here, and assimilate those who immigrate into American patriotic culture.
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This gives an idea of the transformation -- and the reason people are finally noticing.

In Texas alone, immigrants account for 20 percent of the population. And that doesn't even include their children who were born in the US.

The fact that a large percentage of these immigrants are so concentrated in a few key suburbs makes it even more noticeable.

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I look foawrd to southlake carrolls demise in athleticism and prowess in band and debate club. The eroding of American culture for an infestation of H1B1.

America can use more band and less football, honestly. It's strange what we value in this society.
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SteveA said:

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I look foawrd to southlake carrolls demise in athleticism and prowess in band and debate club. The eroding of American culture for an infestation of H1B1.

America can use more band and less football, honestly. It's strange what we value in this society.



Dumb. Both are good for America, there's plenty of kids out there that like different kind of activities. But the north Dallas suburbs are quickly becoming one culture, and its roots aren't American.

We value the things that make us uniquely American. You know the things that made us the greatest country the worlds ever seen.
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SteveA said:

America can use more band and less football, honestly. It's strange what we value in this society.

I concur

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That Phantom show is the GOAT.
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Dumb. Both are good for America, there's plenty of kids out there that like different kind of activities. But the north Dallas suburbs are quickly becoming one culture, and its roots aren't American.

We value the things that make us uniquely American. You know the things that made us the greatest country the worlds ever seen.

Dumb. I was commenting to the value we place on athletics compared to more important facets, which isn't unique to America at all. If this was the case, the top 10% in these schools might be more equally distributed among cultures. While you pay for little Johnny to get private lessons for hitting a baseball, others are getting lessons in math and SAT prep. Then you complain about who is getting in to the schools they want to.
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scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"


Not sure if you are diverting the issue on purpose or you are not able to understand.

You are correct that Indians in general do not rob, murder or indulge in crime. It is usually other immigrant groups who are into that. Indians are in general law abiding and tax paying. Should we give Indian immigrants a medal for following the law?

However, the important nuance is that there is a big big difference in the quality of Indian immigrants pre-2010 and post 2010. 30 years ago and when your parents came here about 50-60 years ago, you needed to be educated and hard working to get in. The US got the best and brightest Indians from India in reasonable numbers.

Now? Not so much.... Our corporations bring in anyone who can breathe and those with fake degrees using H1B visas that they also file fraudulently. Just because these people pay taxes means nothing. Good for them, now these frauds can go back to India or wherever they came from.

Let me summarize.
  • Quality of Indians post 2010 is abysmal (in general).
  • Just because immigrants pay taxes and do not commit crime does not mean that they have the right to live in America. The sheer numbers coming in now is staggering and they are invading culturally.
Any further questions?

PS: We love you. You can stay.
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it sucks that johnny has to compete against the entire world for that spot though, right? You and I didnt have to.

I don't really disagree with that. But we have to adapt to the realities.
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King of the Dairy Queen said:

SteveA said:

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Dumb. Both are good for America, there's plenty of kids out there that like different kind of activities. But the north Dallas suburbs are quickly becoming one culture, and its roots aren't American.

We value the things that make us uniquely American. You know the things that made us the greatest country the worlds ever seen.

Dumb. I was commenting to the value we place on athletics compared to more important facets, which isn't unique to America at all. If this was the case, the top 10% in these schools might be more equally distributed among cultures. While you pay for little Johnny to get private lessons for hitting a baseball, others are getting lessons in math and SAT prep. Then you complain about who is getting in to the schools they want to.


it sucks that johnny has to compete against the entire world for that spot though, right? You and I didnt have to.


Naive idealistic clueless take.

This is a typical 401k-Boomer viewpoint.... "Americans cannot compete, they are lazy... they are stupid... hence we need H1Bs".
Ultimately everything comes down to them fattening up their 401ks.
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aa4136 said:

scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"

Yes. Infinity Ag thinks you're an annoyance and you need to go because they want to be left alone.


Please do not speak for me, I have not authorized you to do so.

If you have your views on this topic, please share, but have the courage to put your own name on it. I do so all the time, even though I know the Boomers and fake free-marketers are going to flame me for exposing their racket. I do so under my own handle, I never say "XYZ said so".

To address the post from scd88, please read my post just above this one where I respond to him.

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I'm pretty sure when my family immigrated here from Germany, they lived within a cultural enclave that would have felt very German for many years. I think it takes time for that culture to meld together within a greater culture around it, but I do understand the concerns. Indians tend to be more collectivistic than those originating in the west, and they are also very astute at working around bureaucracy due to the practice they have of doing so within their home country. I don't know what the solution is, but I'd like to see folks stop gaming the system. It's not a target at Indians specifically, but immigrants won't get favoritism from me over Americans who have been here for generations.
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Muy said:

This isn't about "America was founded by immigrants". The H1-B flood is absolutely ruining this city and many communities and it's too late.

I built in Northlake in 2021 because Argyle ISD was the ***** It was awesome for about a year and then the buyers since have been well over 80% Indian. Argyle ISD was supposed to be a one high school district, but after they saw what was going on they started the segregation process and now they're talking about at least 2, and possibly 3 high schools. My kids have been to 3 different elementary schools and they're in 2nd and 3rd grade. Now they're in a school that opened last year and it's about 70% Indian. We have decided to get the **** out into the sticks. I'd rather my kids have dumbass teachers than them go to a really good school with a bunch of foreignors. When there's a subsitute teacher my kids don't understand a word they say. Sucks for the whitey's around here.
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The secret is the sticks, imo. We are at a 3A district. Single campus for each stage (Elementary - Intermediate - Junior High - High School), so no shifting friend groups or other problems year to year. Top 10% (or really even top 5%) is very achievable. Do the additional work at home to prep them for the post-high school adjustment.

My oldest is entering his freshman year in the fall, so far he's been able to try every sport and activity that he wants to do.
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infinity ag said:

scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"


Not sure if you are diverting the issue on purpose or you are not able to understand.

You are correct that Indians in general do not rob, murder or indulge in crime. It is usually other immigrant groups who are into that. Indians are in general law abiding and tax paying. Should we give Indian immigrants a medal for following the law?

However, the important nuance is that there is a big big difference in the quality of Indian immigrants pre-2010 and post 2010. 30 years ago and when your parents came here about 50-60 years ago, you needed to be educated and hard working to get in. The US got the best and brightest Indians from India in reasonable numbers.

Now? Not so much.... Our corporations bring in anyone who can breathe and those with fake degrees using H1B visas that they also file fraudulently. Just because these people pay taxes means nothing. Good for them, now these frauds can go back to India or wherever they came from.

Let me summarize.
  • Quality of Indians post 2010 is abysmal (in general).
  • Just because immigrants pay taxes and do not commit crime does not mean that they have the right to live in America. The sheer numbers coming in now is staggering and they are invading culturally.



Good context; stuff I haven't seen from you before. It's actually important clarification (for me, anyway) because we agree on a lot of the comments you have made here.

Thanks.
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but immigrants won't get favoritism from me over Americans who have been here for generations.

You should get on the board for A&M because that's exactly what they do
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we absolutely dont, we have to change the realities

No, I think the time when you can fart a B and get in to A&M is gone.
Also gone is the time when employers cared about employees. Capitalism made America great but it also created this environment.
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scd88 said:

infinity ag said:

scd88 said:

OP has a hard on for Indians. As a child of immigrant Indian parents, I'm surprised at the hate here. Indians do not:

Rob
Murder
Rape
Or generally add to the crime stats
Anti Muslim for the most part

Perfect? Heck no. Nobody is. But keep on with the dated 3rd world country barbs as if you are indeed perfect.

Technically, I'm brown and full blooded Indian. Born in Houston back when there were very few Indians in the community so I'm an American.

But I guess that doesn't matter. Should I be one that "has to go?"


Not sure if you are diverting the issue on purpose or you are not able to understand.

You are correct that Indians in general do not rob, murder or indulge in crime. It is usually other immigrant groups who are into that. Indians are in general law abiding and tax paying. Should we give Indian immigrants a medal for following the law?

However, the important nuance is that there is a big big difference in the quality of Indian immigrants pre-2010 and post 2010. 30 years ago and when your parents came here about 50-60 years ago, you needed to be educated and hard working to get in. The US got the best and brightest Indians from India in reasonable numbers.

Now? Not so much.... Our corporations bring in anyone who can breathe and those with fake degrees using H1B visas that they also file fraudulently. Just because these people pay taxes means nothing. Good for them, now these frauds can go back to India or wherever they came from.

Let me summarize.
  • Quality of Indians post 2010 is abysmal (in general).
  • Just because immigrants pay taxes and do not commit crime does not mean that they have the right to live in America. The sheer numbers coming in now is staggering and they are invading culturally.



Good context; stuff I haven't seen from you before. It's actually important clarification (for me, anyway) because we agree on a lot of the comments you have made here.

Thanks.


Thank you.
I have been saying this forever. You may have seen some posts which do not mention certain intricacies as I am not able to repeat everything in every post as they don't apply. However, I feel good that I was able to clarify things!

Unfortunately greedy corporations have started to bring in the trash from India (along with the good ones) and those are the ones whom you see dancing on sacred memorials and other locations and scamming USDOL. Earlier you these people would be working in the fields or in the factories in India, not pushed to the US as "engineers".

I see some light at the end though. Many are getting pushed back and I see them announce on Linkedin every day. There needs to be some reset and unfortunately some good people will also get impacted.
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SteveA said:

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we absolutely dont, we have to change the realities

No, I think the time when you can fart a B and get in to A&M is gone.
Also gone is the time when employers cared about employees. Capitalism made America great but it also created this environment.


Yes. Thanks for acknowledging the downsides of capitalism. Many here only want to own the positives (which are many). We have become a selfish society with no empathy for fellow humans. We find no problem in calling less fortunate/successful people as lazy, dumb, stupid etc. We expect everyone in America to compete with people in India, China, Nigeria otherwise they are labelled "incompetent". This is today's capitalism.

Today I read about Atlassian, a US tech company laying off 10%. Why? "We have to invest in AI".

And get this. A manager announced that someone from his team got promoted. Later that very same day the promoted employee got canned in the layoff! Promotion and layoff in the same day. This is in blind app today.

This is corporate America which is gamed by the billionaires just like the H1B program has been. When taxes are raised on the poor, people are happy and say that they also need to have skin in the game. No roof over one's head? No problem! But skin in the game (whatever that means) is needed. But don't you dare think about increasing a billionaire's tax by even 1% - the hounds will get into attack mode.
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Something about forest and trees....ha
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Dumb. Both are good for America, there's plenty of kids out there that like different kind of activities. But the north Dallas suburbs are quickly becoming one culture, and its roots aren't American.

We value the things that make us uniquely American. You know the things that made us the greatest country the worlds ever seen.

Dumb. I was commenting to the value we place on athletics compared to more important facets, which isn't unique to America at all. If this was the case, the top 10% in these schools might be more equally distributed among cultures. While you pay for little Johnny to get private lessons for hitting a baseball, others are getting lessons in math and SAT prep. Then you complain about who is getting in to the schools they want to.



If you haven't noticed our roads are congested, house prices are through the roof, schools are overcrowded, national parks are turning people away, college prices are soaring.

All of these things are tied to one fact. America is full, we don't need mass H1B1s anymore that bring with them chain migration. For starters, if your own country sucks, fix it, and quit trying to make mine look like yours. Secondly, I will always choose American citizens over any other.

If they're already here and a citizen, let them stay. If they're here in a Visa tell them they have six months to put their affairs in order because we're sending them home. And finally, the fire hydrant needs to be shut off.
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High school bands are pretty terrible. All these contemporary bull**** "marches" prepping for "competitions" during halftime... play some party music and engage the crowd. Thank God for the FTAB keeping it real. The crap I get to see on Friday nights... Boo.

You band parents hate it, you just can't admit it.
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If you haven't noticed our roads are congested, house prices are through the roof, schools are overcrowded, national parks are turning people away, college prices are soaring.

All of these things are tied to one fact. America is full, we don't need mass H1B1s anymore that bring with them chain migration. For starters, if your own country sucks, fix it, and quit trying to make mine look like yours. Secondly, I will always choose American citizens over any other.

If they're already here and a citizen, let them stay. If they're here in a Visa tell them they have six months to put their affairs in order because we're sending them home. And finally, the fire hydrant needs to be shut off.

I do not disagree with what you have said. I have just addressed the reality of our current situation.
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HumbleAg04 said:

High school bands are pretty terrible. All these contemporary bull**** "marches" prepping for "competitions" during halftime... play some party music and engage the crowd. Thank God for the FTAB keeping it real. The crap I get to see on Friday nights... Boo.

You band parents hate it, you just can't admit it.


None of us are denying it. It's like anything your kids do… you might not enjoy it but if it makes them happy and gets them involved in extracurricular activities then good for them.

And hate to break it to you their "competitions" mean a lot to those kids. And every fall semester there are 10s of thousands of kids in this state alone that are super involved when they might otherwise be sitting at home being useless. Months and months of involvement.

So sorry it's not tailored for your entertainment, but don't be an ass and clap for them just like I clap for your kids when they're on the football field win or lose.

Oh and quit standing up in the stands during halftime and blocking the view of parents behind you. Even though it's not our favorite thing we're still happy to support our kids.

And yes, I enjoy high school football immensely and am said to see its north Texas demise.

Finally. Reeks of BQ in here.
 
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