TEA to Investigate ICE Protesting School Districts

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Horn_in_Aggieland
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Abbott is starting with Austin ISD but I can see this expanding to other districts.

Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Good.
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FA…..FO
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Cut their student average daily attendance funding and watch how quickly that crap stops.
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The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.
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AggieMac06 said:

The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.

I feasibly can.
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What's your solution? How do you stop it?
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Ag87H2O said:

Cut their student average daily attendance funding and watch how quickly that crap stops.


This would end that faster than **** through a goose.
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Thankfully we are ensuring those kids are fed to obesity
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AggieMac06 said:

The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.


As a former campus principal, you can absolutely hand out discipline to 500 students. You can also stand at the doors and not let them out. I had a campus of over 2,000 students. Rumors of a walkout were going around. I placed an admin, coach or teacher at every exit at the time of the announced walkout. I made it very clear that if a student touched a teacher trying to get out, law enforcement would get involved and charge you with assault on a public servant. On the school side we would discipline them for disruption of the school environment. The time came for the walkout and not a single student attempted to walk out. You put proactive measures in place and it handles itself. I put a stop to that crap real quick.
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So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.

Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.
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AggieMac06 said:

The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.


The school most certainly can stop it. No excused absence which usually includes detention and loss of privileges and you call the truancy officers immediately when they walk out to arrest them. This dumb fad **** will stop quick.
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Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.
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As stated if the district loses that daily $$$ head count for each kid who leaves for a protest I bet it gets figured out somehow at the local level.

Policy won't be written by some of these commie school boards so the only way is cut off the dollars coming in from the state. If the kids aren't in class we the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for an empty classroom.
I don't think you know me.
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AggieMac06 said:

Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.


Thats just dumb, i see now the congressional idiots in Austin stopped allowing it in 2015 and made it civil only. Absolutely ******ed.
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AggieMac06 said:

Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.

You're right, nothing can be done. This is the first time it's ever happened. Oh wait it's happened for 50 years….
Get a grip, some of us deal with actual real problems and aren't allowed to just say, "well, what was I supposed to do?!"
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Yes among other things. There is very little actual discipline I can mete out that matters. The mountain I have to climb for alternative placement or expulsion is enormous. It is flawed at the legislative level.
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Come fix it then. I am happy to let people give us ideas that we can actually use within the confines of law and practicality. A lot has changed in 50 years.
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AggieMac06 said:

Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.


Seems like you could announce over the loud speakers that students have ten minutes to get back to class where roll call will be taken by the teachers. Subtract the kids who called in sick that day or were absent for other reasons and you will have your list of kids that walked out. Where there's a will there's a way.
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This assumes 100 percent attendance daily. That never happens.
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Ag with kids
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AggieMac06 said:

What's your solution? How do you stop it?

Remove funding to the school...
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AggieMac06 said:

This assumes 100 percent attendance daily. That never happens.


I said you subtract the kids that were absent for other reasons.
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Kids don't call in sick. They just don't show up. Welcome to the struggles of modern education.
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I'd be happy to stop it if legislation actually allowed us to. A lot has changed in the last 30 years. I graduated in 2002 and the things we simply can't do in education is vastly different than 25 years ago. The entire system is broken.
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AggieMac06 said:

I'd be happy to stop it if legislation actually allowed us to. A lot has changed in the last 30 years. I graduated in 2002 and the things we simply can't do in education is vastly different than 25 years ago. The entire system is broken.

Fair enough...

Both my parents were teachers here in Texas...

The retired 20+ years ago and both realized the rules and bull**** was changing and not for the better.

My GF is also a teacher and she's been lucky since she's a swim coach and that means she deals with a lot of good kids.

Unfortunately, she's also a SPED teacher...and yeah, that's a ton of fun for her.

I think a lot of the SPED bull**** that's happened in the past 30 years has caused a lot of the problems...
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Definitely over abused. Once that label is in place, it's like the Iron Dome.
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45-70Ag
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I left public education a couple of years ago as an assistant principal. These kids are too dumb to know what they're walking out for.

The campuses in the pics above more than likely have students who on average are behind 4-6 grades levels in reading, writing and math. They're idiots influenced by TikTok, the dumb asses they sit next to and just wanting to get out of class.

Take away the schools funding.
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AggieMac06 said:

Definitely over abused. Once that label is in place, it's like the Iron Dome.

Yeah...

That's what I've seen from my talks with her...

It's ridiculous what they can get away with.

Luckily, she's got great relationships with her kids so she's not dealing with thugs that make her scared...
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AggieMac06 said:

Yes among other things. There is very little actual discipline I can mete out that matters. The mountain I have to climb for alternative placement or expulsion is enormous. It is flawed at the legislative level.


I don't know what district you're talking about but my wife's district in DFW hands out alternative school referrals like chances at a raffle. She works with pull out students in SPED and told me one today got hit for bringing a vape pen to school. We think he has to cool in ISS for a few days until his ARD, then its off to AltSch. There's an elem and secondary alt school and the other districts she works with (2 other ones in DFW) also have similar policies/setups. These districts bow at the feet of parents in many things and their campuses are often way out of control. However, when it comes to the hard core stuff like I mentioned with the kid today, they DO take action.

Expulsion is a different issue, but these are all policy based issues with the district. What specific LEGISLATIVE issues/statutes are you referring to?
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theyre gonna need to expand the voucher program
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Unless things have changed, inner city schools have a hard time with daep placement with certain demographics because each demographic has certain number that can go to daep before it impacts the districts accountability.

Idiotic.
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Big behaviors are easy. Vapes, weapons, etc. General behavior issues? A different animal. You used to get ticketed for cussing a teacher, not any more. Underage kids with tobacco used to get tickets. Now? ISS, which they don't care about. A kid can cuss me to my face, and I can suspend him and that's it. He wants that. These kids disrupt everything for 90% of the school. If we could actually remove kids easily and not just for the big things like vape, we could mitigate a LOT of problems. Sped kid cusses a teacher? Manifestation of his disability, no discipline. It's hard in the day to day.
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This is true. Hell my campus got chastised because we were giving too many ISS for cell phone violations.
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Ag with kids said:

AggieMac06 said:

What's your solution? How do you stop it?

Remove funding to the school...


On what grounds?
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There's a spectrum from stopping it, prohibiting it, allowing it, encouraging it, and facilitating it. Some districts are on the wrong end of that deal. I'd say treat it like any other unexcused absence where they walk out of class and potentially off campus.
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