The Sun said:AggieMac06 said:
Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.
The description of your campus situation sounds ripe for an active shooter situation to occur.
ts5641 said:
They can. They can flunk you out, suspend you, give you detention, etc. But they choose not to. They choose to help them skip and demonstrate to continue their quest in chaos, confusion, and division.
cevans_40 said:
Its time you realize that both parties want public education to fail for various reasons. Republicans want cheaper private schools and dems want their indoctrination camps for the rest.
But neither one gives a crap about kids.
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The authors propose several solutions to the "two-income trap". In order to decouple educational opportunity from real estate location, they propose allowing families to choose among public schools in their district, with a voucher system.[6] They recommend tuition freezes for public universities, which have seen tuitions rise three times faster than inflation.[6] They endorse universal preschool as a means of reducing fixed costs for families with children.[6] Warren and Tyagi take care to consider possible perverse consequences of various social programs aimed at middle-class economic relief.[4]
cevans_40 said:
Its time you realize that both parties want public education to fail for various reasons. Republicans want cheaper private schools and dems want their indoctrination camps for the rest.
But neither one gives a crap about kids.
AggieMac06 said:
So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.
Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.
Saturday detention is a great deterrent. Kids HATE it because it infringes on "their" time.Ag with kids said:Ellis Wyatt said:HalifaxAg said:
Why can't you discipline them effectively? Use the library, auditorium, gym, sit on the ground, no phones, no stimulation, no talking, and they can't leave for lunch for an entire day....they won't dream of doing that again
Saturday detention for a month.
BadMoonRisin said:cevans_40 said:
Its time you realize that both parties want public education to fail for various reasons. Republicans want cheaper private schools and dems want their indoctrination camps for the rest.
But neither one gives a crap about kids.
Elizabeth Warren actually authored a book called "The Two Income Trap" 20 years ago and one of their central findings in how to adjust to it waaaaaaaaaaaaas.
Can you guess?Quote:
The authors propose several solutions to the "two-income trap". In order to decouple educational opportunity from real estate location, they propose allowing families to choose among public schools in their district, with a voucher system.[6] They recommend tuition freezes for public universities, which have seen tuitions rise three times faster than inflation.[6] They endorse universal preschool as a means of reducing fixed costs for families with children.[6] Warren and Tyagi take care to consider possible perverse consequences of various social programs aimed at middle-class economic relief.[4]
The voucher system.
There are very real-world solutions that are possible within the framework of American society...the sad part is that zero of the people that actually can make those solutions possible give even the slightest **** about them.
I think most politicians can consider what is "right", but they always end up bowing down to what is "right NOW", which could be fickle as you could imagine.
TA-OP said:I also literally just heard about a kid with a fever above 100 whose teacher had no choice but to not let them go to the nurse.MelvinUdall said:
You literally used a fever as the issue…congrats on being close the A&M Ed department…I am not siding on one side or the other, but this is a parent issue…again, throwing anymore money at education is a lost cause, you and I both know it.
You still side-stepped the part where you blame parents for being 100% of the problem. Yet, that's not where the right's anger is focused. The principle here is getting bashed solely because the right has increasingly taken away their power while threatening their employment for doing anything the right may not like.
cevans_40 said:The Sun said:AggieMac06 said:
Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.
The description of your campus situation sounds ripe for an active shooter situation to occur.
What?
TA-OP said:MelvinUdall said:
You literally used a fever as the issue…congrats on being close the A&M Ed department…I am not siding on one side or the other, but this is a parent issue…again, throwing anymore money at education is a lost cause, you and I both know it.
I also literally just heard about a kid with a fever above 100 whose teacher had no choice but to not let them go to the nurse.
You still side-stepped the part where you blame parents for being 100% of the problem. Yet, that's not where the right's anger is focused. The principle here is getting bashed solely because the right has increasingly taken away their power while threatening their employment for doing anything the right may not like.
The Sun said:cevans_40 said:The Sun said:AggieMac06 said:
Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.
The description of your campus situation sounds ripe for an active shooter situation to occur.
What?
Four buildings, 65 doors, crappy cameras, faculty cannot secure exits. Sounds very not secure.
The one thing the right can't get is that blanket labelling all educators as indoctrinators and then treating them like they don't know how to educate by putting all these rules in place makes them want to not put in full effort, or more recently not even want to pursue an Ed degree. Whether you want to believe it or not, Ed enrollment at A&M has dropped, and not insignificantly. You ask the students and you hear what I'm saying here. How about the right try asking teachers what they need to be more successful? It's a strange concept, I know. But nearly every idea from the right on this thread is just them thinking they know better. You've got admin saying you can't do it that way… why won't you listen instead of arguing and name calling?rhoswen said:
Put 500 kids (who already don't want to be in class) in a gym and tell me what happens.
Put 500 kids in saturday detention. Who's babysitting the Saturday detention? What do you do when they simply don't show up?
The walkout at my school was absolutely not encouraged or organized by any teacher.
Excellent point. If parents want their children to not have rights protecting them from the government, don't send them to public school.Ag98and03 said:
The one thing nobody has mentioned is this: The 1st Amendment doesn't have an age limit. And it doesn't end at the school door. There have been Supreme Court decisions upholding this.
Student walk out in protest + punishment for walking out = fertile grounds for lawsuit for violating student's 1st amendment rights.
Ag98and03 said:
The one thing nobody has mentioned is this: The 1st Amendment doesn't have an age limit. And it doesn't end at the school door. There have been Supreme Court decisions upholding this.
Student walk out in protest + punishment for walking out = fertile grounds for lawsuit for violating student's 1st amendment rights.
TA-OP said:rhoswen said:
Put 500 kids (who already don't want to be in class) in a gym and tell me what happens.
Put 500 kids in saturday detention. Who's babysitting the Saturday detention? What do you do when they simply don't show up?
The walkout at my school was absolutely not encouraged or organized by any teacher.
The one thing the right can't get is that blanket labelling all educators as indoctrinators and then treating them like they don't know how to educate by putting all these rules in place makes them want to not put in full effort, or more recently not even want to pursue an Ed degree. Whether you want to believe it or not, Ed enrollment at A&M has dropped, and not insignificantly. You ask the students and you hear what I'm saying here. How about the right try asking teachers what they need to be more successful? It's a strange concept, I know. But nearly every idea from the right on this thread is just them thinking they know better. You've got admin saying you can't do it that way… why won't you listen instead of arguing and name calling?
TA-OP said:
Got 12 A&M students from the College of Ed in my living room now. We should go ask if they're tired of getting woke ideology crammed down their throats by weird af professors. I'd delete my account if even one sided with you.
And you'd be wrong. My wife spent 10 years in public school before teaching at A&M. And, she's in the classrooms observing her students in the classroom with kids. To write them off is a mistake. You'd also just be cutting off the blood flow of future teachers by telling them they don't matter. That's why we try to arrange for them to meet with local legislators in Austin every year. For what it's worth, they're trying to set up a sit in with Paul Dyson later this month.backintexas2013 said:
I will listen to teachers. Not professors or students. Teachers that really know what's going on. The students and profs have no clue.
Would you rather us suggest they skip class and parade through the street protesting when they want change? They ask, "how can we change this?" Legislation, that's how.backintexas2013 said:
And meeting a Texas legislative member means jack ***** I liken that to meeting a cover band.
AggieMac06 said:
So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.
Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.
rhoswen said:
Put 500 kids (who already don't want to be in class) in a gym and tell me what happens.
Put 500 kids in saturday detention. Who's babysitting the Saturday detention? What do you do when they simply don't show up?
The walkout at my school was absolutely not encouraged or organized by any teacher.
And, in today's climate, you just invited 500 civil rights violation lawsuits versus your district.TAMU1990 said:
Yes, I'd suspend 500 kids.
TA-OP said:TAMU1990 said:
Yes, I'd suspend 500 kids.
And, in today's climate, you just invited 500 civil rights violation lawsuits versus your district.
Aside: Maybe "today's climate" is the global warming they were talking about all along.
BadMoonRisin said:TA-OP said:Urban Ag said:TA-OP said:
It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.
Completely unhinged, utterly detached, and childish response.
That's not a refutation. It sucks when you mess up. I get it. But at some point, you have to reconcile that the right is now blaming educators for not going far enough while simultaneously threatening their jobs for doing the simplest of things like sending a kid with a fever to the nurse. It's a lose-lose situation and one of the reasons why enrollment rates are declining. Who wants to enter a field where they're constantly being blamed and threatened?
This is complete nonsense.
First of all, lets discuss what you mean by blaming "educators for not going far enough"?
What does that even mean?
People threaten teachers jobs for sending their kids to the nurse for a fever?
It sounds like you are just making everything up, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's see it.
Discipline is the number one problem in public education (and I would argue attention-span is a very close second if not tied for first), for sure. And you think that is being caused by people that are right-leaning? I dont even know if we are watching the same movie at this point.
The left has a monopoly on "nothing I do is my fault and is everyone elses" and I think that's where your grievance comes from, but you are blaming it on people who, if they were given a choice, would heavily prefer their kids received the same public school education that they did. Back when American exceptionalism was championed and we were sending Space Shuttles into orbit 2 or 3 times a month, we discussed racial differences, but did not make it a focal point and gay/trans **** was basically non-existent.
Letting kids out of their cage who are barely literate in the first place, to hold up signs protesting for leftist causes, is not something that should be normalized.
Here is the latest TEA grades of Austin ISD:
https://www.kxan.com/investigations/tea-releases-2025-a-f-ratings-3-austin-isd-schools-get-fourth-f-score/
3 schools received an F grade for the fourth time in a row. Whatever you think is good or bad, if you have failing schools, they dont have the luxury of standing on the side of the road holding up signs their teachers made for them to protest a cause they likely dont give a **** about.
The below chart is actually why the enrollment numbers are declining. Because the school districts are utterly failing at educating their kids.
Learn to read first. They dont have time for dumb**** "protest" projects from their activist "educators".
AggieMac06 said:
The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.
richardag said:AggieMac06 said:
The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.
Why not. If not change the rules.
