AggieMac06 said:

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Come fix it then. I am happy to let people give us ideas that we can actually use within the confines of law and practicality. A lot has changed in 50 years.

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In my experience, the people in the Big Gvt education scheme are the first ones who complain when any real measure of fixing the problems gets introduced. Vouchers being a prime example.
Dismantle the DOE, which will obviously never happen but would be the best thing for it with what rises from its ashes

In about 2000 Hays high school 'rebels' had students signing petitions AGAINST removing the confederate battle flag from the school football uniforms etc...

Changed a bit since then I suppose.

Slwdsm said:

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In about 2000 Hays high school 'rebels' had students signing petitions AGAINST removing the confederate battle flag from the school football uniforms etc...

Changed a bit since then I suppose.

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Never could figure out why Hays had rebels as their mascot and Dixie as their fight song. Jack Hays didn't even fight in the Civil War.

Martin Cash said:

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Slwdsm said:

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In about 2000 Hays high school 'rebels' had students signing petitions AGAINST removing the confederate battle flag from the school football uniforms etc...

Changed a bit since then I suppose.

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Never could figure out why Hays had rebels as their mascot and Dixie as their fight song. Jack Hays didn't even fight in the Civil War.

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Because in 1968 the family that sold the land to the school district put it in the contract that the school mascot would be the Hays rebels. Had nothing to do with Jack C Hays. I have found multiple Confederate artifacts on school property thru out the years. It was a training ground for Confederate troops during the war. Quite a lot of history.

Martin Cash said:

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Slwdsm said:

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In about 2000 Hays high school 'rebels' had students signing petitions AGAINST removing the confederate battle flag from the school football uniforms etc...

Changed a bit since then I suppose.

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Never could figure out why Hays had rebels as their mascot and Dixie as their fight song. Jack Hays didn't even fight in the Civil War.

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I understand getting rid of the flag but getting rid of the word Rebels was stupid. Rebels is not a derogatory term

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So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.

Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.

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Thats the sad reality behind the right thinking the schools are indoctrination centers. They think parents should decide everything. Your hands are tied. It's right up there with current nurses not being able to help obviously sick kids because their parents refused to sign the papers that alllow the simplest of treatments.

Weapons grade projection...

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AggieMac06 said:

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So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.

Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.

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Thats the sad reality behind the right thinking the schools are indoctrination centers. They think parents should decide everything. Your hands are tied. It's right up there with current nurses not being able to help obviously sick kids because their parents refused to sign the papers that alllow the simplest of treatment

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So what was teaching them that it was acceptable to disrupt their education and instead file outside and protest for leftist causes? A field trip?

What is the grade for AISD? I know it's not very high. What percentage of these kids are literate at grade level?

BadMoonRisin said:

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AggieMac06 said:

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So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.

Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.

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Thats the sad reality behind the right thinking the schools are indoctrination centers. They think parents should decide everything. Your hands are tied. It's right up there with current nurses not being able to help obviously sick kids because their parents refused to sign the papers that alllow the simplest of treatment

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So what was teaching them that it was acceptable to disrupt their education and instead file outside and protest for leftist causes? A field trip?

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What is teaching them they can't discipline the kids because that's a parent's job? The right refuses to believe they can do any wrong. They actively act to strip any and all autonomy from the schools. The only possible reaction by the educators is to error on the side of letting the kids do whatever they want because the parents want to handle it. Otherwise, the right would call for their livelihood.

Suspend them, give them all an F in a class. It all stops when people actually have consequences of their actions.

The burden is on the leaders, teachers. The faculty that allowed protest to happen and even participated need to have consequences. Punish the teachers harshly who do not take responsibility and cannot maintain control of idiot kids to stay in their classes. You have 100+ troops to dish out punishment mr commander principle; make your expectations and consequences known to these rabble rousing teachers.

It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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The burden is on the leaders, teachers. The faculty that allowed protest to happen and even participated need to have consequences. Punish the teachers harshly who do not take responsibility and cannot maintain control of idiot kids to stay in their classes. You have 100+ troops to dish out punishment mr commander principle; make your expectations and consequences known to these rabble rousing teachers.

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I think you are missing my point. My teachers are not going to physically stop students from walking out of class. You know what kinda **** we get in if we even attempt to stop a kid physically? If a kid leaves the school, we let them leave ( I am in a high school). I cannot grab them and make them return. SROs can't arrest them if they leave. I can count them absent. Yippee. That's about it. I have 5 administrators for 1,800 kids. If 500 leave all at once, we cannot stop them. Nor can I effectively punish, in a meaningful way, that many kids. Now, we have kids organizing a walkout on Monday, so I guess we will see how many actually leave. But all my district is doing is counting them absent.

Cut the district's state and federal funding for the day. Do it again if it happens again. If they can't control the campus what are we even doing? Public education is a joke.

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Suspend them, give them all an F in a class. It all stops when people actually have consequences of their actions.

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Agreed. fail any class you leave for protest etc and see ya in the summer.

It's too late, already failed when only physical options remain.
Teachers can Schedule a test
Teachers can add homework
Teachers add tests
Teachers can schedule mandatory make up class during lunch
Teachers can add bonus grade for attendance
Teachers can call parents
Teachers can schedule parent teacher meetings
Use that day to sign up for off campus lunch
Student vote event for something that day
Raffle parking space, xbox, that day have to be present to win
Put whole school in detention assembly for hours
Stop all extra curricular activities until protest planning stops all sports games

Beat the kids till morale improves

Know for a fact teachers can make kids miserable. Harness that power. This isn't rocket science.

jja79 said:

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Cut the district's state and federal funding for the day. Do it again if it happens again. If they can't control the campus what are we even doing? Public education is a joke.

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Sadly, that's not how the funding works.

Law-Apt_3G said:

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It's too late, already failed when only physical options remain.
Teachers can Schedule a test
Teachers can add homework
Teachers add tests
Teachers can schedule mandatory make up class during lunch
Teachers can add bonus grade for attendance
Teachers can call parents
Teachers can schedule parent teacher meetings
Use that day to sign up for off campus lunch
Student vote event for something that day
Raffle parking space, xbox, that day have to be present to win
Put whole school in detention assembly for hours
Stop all extra curricular activities until protest planning stops all sports games

Beat the kids till morale improves

Know for a fact teachers can make kids miserable. Harness that power. This isn't rocket science.

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I think I remember all kinds of made up rules being enforced during that thing called Covid - why cant the rules be enforced now? Or the teachers and administrators can just throw their arms up in the air and collect their paycheck cause nothing will happen to them either. Oh well. No penalty's for anyone running afoul.

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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Completely unhinged, utterly detached, and childish response.

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That's not a refutation. It sucks when you mess up. I get it. But at some point, you have to reconcile that the right is now blaming educators for not going far enough while simultaneously threatening their jobs for doing the simplest of things like sending a kid with a fever to the nurse. It's a lose-lose situation and one of the reasons why enrollment rates are declining. Who wants to enter a field where they're constantly being blamed and threatened?

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

AggieMac06 said:

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The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.

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How about taking roll at the protest, video the protest, then bill the parents for the time missed in school (incorporating all costs incurred) plus administrative fees associated with the billing?

AggieMac06 said:

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Come fix it then. I am happy to let people give us ideas that we can actually use within the confines of law and practicality. A lot has changed in 50 years.

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I see our neighborhood principals, assistants,coaches, curriculum directors, teachers coaches, advisors, etc, etc going home for lunch and numerous other things everyday in my neighborhood. I think a good start to some of the local school problems would be for All staff to stay on campus during the school day. And for each one of these former good teachers to Teach at least one class everyday, regardless of their previous promotions and new titles.

The sad thing is that higher education teacher/administrator training programs are cranking out indoctrination encouraging these types of behaviors. Some educators actually encourage, and many would never come out against it.

I have taught middle school for 30 years and will retire soon. I enjoyed it and I think I did a good job.

Never was in admin.

When I first started, kids would be expelled. The parents had to unenroll the student, then re-enroll them after the expulsion (or something like that- it was 30 years ago.). This inconvenience put on the parents helped the behaviors. Now, a kid going to ISS or an alternative campus does not put the parents out. In addition, my best friend works at the alternative campus and it has become a country club for the kids due to progressive thinking.

I think that our obligation to provide public education needs to come with limits, like everyone has the opportunity until X amount of screw ups. Then it is the parent's legal obligation to seek and pay for it elsewhere. We should also start fast-tracking kids into some career path much earlier (with the option to change if a kid's interests mature and they want to work hard.)

The larger issue is that the teachers and admins at these schools are the ones organizing these walk outs, not the kids themselves. If you cut their funding then suddenly they'll stop organizing it and will instead stop it

The right ruined education? Educators ruined education. Hard to keep a system going when 70%+ are useful idiots.

AggieMac06 said:

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The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.

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I agree it's tough to impossible to stop the kids from doing it but I think Austin ISD had teachers actively promoting it

agsalaska said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

Horn_in_Aggieland said:

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Abbott is starting with Austin ISD but I can see this expanding to other districts.

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Students can protest on their own time, just like the rest of the useful idiots.

DavysApprentice said:

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agsalaska said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

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Probably 30% or so. But a better question would be 'what percentage of rules and regulations that they have to follow were created by right leaning legislators? And what percentage of parents are right leaning/left leaning?

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around but the right in my opinion owns the majority of it.

I've got a long day of kids sports and won't really be able to engage this topic properly today. But will be happy to at another time.


Edited a mistake. I initially said the % backwards.

As a teacher, I would suggest that it should be handled as an unexcused absence if they don't show up at all, so they wouldn't be able to make up work; and if there are consequences for too many absences (loss of privileges, etc), then those are on the table.
If they walk out, that's skipping, and that comes with its own consequences.

agsalaska said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What have lawsuits done to denigrate public education?
What have universities done to denigrate public education?

If one can answer these questions honestly the problems are created by the cultural Marxists.

But go ahead and gaslight.

Will corrective action on this problem require input from the legislature made up of democrats who bail out to another state to avoid doing their job for strictly political reasons? Class absences coupled with appearance at a protest should result in automatic course failure, with no exceptions.

Good Abbott!