They can. They can flunk you out, suspend you, give you detention, etc. But they choose not to. They choose to help them skip and demonstrate to continue their quest in chaos, confusion, and division.

I take it an ass whooping is out of the question?

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

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Probably 70% or so. But a better question would be 'what percentage of rules and regulations that they have to follow were created by right leaning legislators? And what percentage of parents are right leaning/left leaning?

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around but the right in my opinion owns the majority of it.

I've got a long day of kids sports and won't really be able to engage this topic properly today. But will be happy to at another time.

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I can agree that the right has legislators that have caved to progressive ideology in regards to public school laws (probably to get votes for something else) but we are no where near 70 percent of teachers in urban school districts with right leaning teachers.

I would argue the right makes up less than 50 percent of teachers even in suburban districts and maybe 20 percent in the inner city districts like DISD, AISD(where all this has happened), HISD and San Antonio

My district is rural Austin area. We are maybe 50/50 but likely 40/60 R/L. Needless to say, its not a topic I broach with coworkers as a Trump supporter.

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What's your solution? How do you stop it?

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Investigate the walkout.

Who organized it?

What teacher(s) assisted (you know they did)?

Punish them accordingly.

1) detention for the students
2) dismissal for the teachers

My kids come to your school to learn, not to walk out and go God knows where. It is YOUR job to make sure that happens. Figure it out

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So you pulled your entire faculty from classes to block doors? I have about 65 doors at a 5A campus spread across four buildings. I should leave classes unsupervised to accomplish this? Not possible on my campus. I don't have enough staff to do that and my teachers aren't paid to do that either. I can't physically stop a student trying to leave the building unless there is imminent threat to self or others. Would you suspend 500 kids? Most don't care about that. The fact is school districts don't actually have any real disciplinary teeth that the average kid cares about. Suspension? Meh. ISS? Who cares? That's the challenge we face.

Not saying we have to condone it like it appears AISD might be doing, but we can't stop it if there is a concerted effort.

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Thats the sad reality behind the right thinking the schools are indoctrination centers. They think parents should decide everything. Your hands are tied. It's right up there with current nurses not being able to help obviously sick kids because their parents refused to sign the papers that alllow the simplest of treatment

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So what was teaching them that it was acceptable to disrupt their education and instead file outside and protest for leftist causes? A field trip?

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What is teaching them they can't discipline the kids because that's a parent's job? The right refuses to believe they can do any wrong. They actively act to strip any and all autonomy from the schools. The only possible reaction by the educators is to error on the side of letting the kids do whatever they want because the parents want to handle it. Otherwise, the right would call for their livelihood.

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Don't blame this **** on the "right".

This is parents from BOTH sides of the political spectrum.



But, I GUARANTEE you that if you asked any person here on TexAgs from the right whether or not they should have corporal punishment back in schools, the vast majority would say yes...

"I can't"
Throwing that out of educators problem solving toolbox looking like it was the only tool.

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DavysApprentice said:

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agsalaska said:

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TA-OP said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

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Probably 70% or so. But a better question would be 'what percentage of rules and regulations that they have to follow were created by right leaning legislators? And what percentage of parents are right leaning/left leaning?

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around but the right in my opinion owns the majority of it.

I've got a long day of kids sports and won't really be able to engage this topic properly today. But will be happy to at another time.

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You think that 70% of teachers and admin in urban districts are RIGHT leaning????

Document the unexcused absence(s) count on student's transcripts.

Heck, document the unexcused absence(s) count on student's diplomas too.

GPA and unexcused absences... keep track of them stats.

If this were a grass roots walkout that kids decided they wanted on their own it honestly wouldn't concern me much. Give them their slap on the wrist and get them back in class.

The fact that it sounds organized and sanctioned by district employees is unconscionable, and people should lose their jobs and perhaps their licenses for it. This would violate multiple aspects of the Texas Educator Code of Ethics.

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agsalaska said:

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DavysApprentice said:

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agsalaska said:

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TA-OP said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

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Probably 70% or so. But a better question would be 'what percentage of rules and regulations that they have to follow were created by right leaning legislators? And what percentage of parents are right leaning/left leaning?

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around but the right in my opinion owns the majority of it.

I've got a long day of kids sports and won't really be able to engage this topic properly today. But will be happy to at another time.

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You think that 70% of teachers and admin in urban districts are RIGHT leaning????

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Ha. No I said that backwards. 70% are left leaning.

My bad.

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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Completely unhinged, utterly detached, and childish response.

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That's not a refutation. It sucks when you mess up. I get it. But at some point, you have to reconcile that the right is now blaming educators for not going far enough while simultaneously threatening their jobs for doing the simplest of things like sending a kid with a fever to the nurse. It's a lose-lose situation and one of the reasons why enrollment rates are declining. Who wants to enter a field where they're constantly being blamed and threatened?

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What are you f***ing talking about? My ex wife is a principal of an elementary school and everything you just described is absolute horses***, I can tell you for a fact. Your example of a kid not going to the nurse for a fever is such a super small example, it makes your argument just dumb….For the record, the issue we have going on in schools is not reinforcing what is being taught in school, at home…the problems in education completely falls on the parents for not working with kids at home, plain and simple…there no amount of money that could be dumped into the education that will solve the issues with education if parents aren't vested.

I don't think the focus is on the kids skipping school, it's on the faculty and staff that helped organize it for the kids.

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The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.

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bull*****...they walk out, the doors remain locked, take attendance, if they were in attendance before and not during the walk out, they are truant and you discipline accordingly, simple.

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The problem is schools can't stop it. We should neither encourage nor condone it. If they want to exercise political voice, they should bear the consequences. As a school administrator though, I can tell you it is impossible to accurately give out consequences for something like this. I cannot feasibly give discipline to 500 kids if they choose to walk out.

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bull*****...they walk out, the doors remain locked, take attendance, if they were in attendance before and not during the walk out, they are truant and you discipline accordingly, simple.

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Three day suspension included would get their parents attention

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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Completely unhinged, utterly detached, and childish response.

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That's not a refutation. It sucks when you mess up. I get it. But at some point, you have to reconcile that the right is now blaming educators for not going far enough while simultaneously threatening their jobs for doing the simplest of things like sending a kid with a fever to the nurse. It's a lose-lose situation and one of the reasons why enrollment rates are declining. Who wants to enter a field where they're constantly being blamed and threatened?

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What are you f***ing talking about? My ex wife is a principal of an elementary school and everything you just described is absolute horses***, I can tell you for a fact. Your example of a kid not going to the nurse for a fever is such a super small example, it makes your argument just dumb….For the record, the issue we have going on in schools is not reinforcing what is being taught in school, at home…the problems in education completely falls on the parents for not working with kids at home, plain and simple…there no amount of money that could be dumped into the education that will solve the issues with education if parents aren't vested.

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100% on the parents huh? Sounds like you should tell that to all the other posters claiming it's the fault of educators indoctrinating students.

I'm happy you have an administrator's perspective. I can assure you that I'm close to the A&M Ed program and the CSISD schools, mostly elementary. I'm not just talking out of my bum.

Parents aren't parenting and families aren't going to church is the problem. Not enough two parent homes.

Educational growth is too low of a priority. Making it a priority is something you cannot teach.

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The burden is on the leaders, teachers. The faculty that allowed protest to happen and even participated need to have consequences. Punish the teachers harshly who do not take responsibility and cannot maintain control of idiot kids to stay in their classes. You have 100+ troops to dish out punishment mr commander principle; make your expectations and consequences known to these rabble rousing teachers.

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I think you are missing my point. My teachers are not going to physically stop students from walking out of class. You know what kinda **** we get in if we even attempt to stop a kid physically? If a kid leaves the school, we let them leave ( I am in a high school). I cannot grab them and make them return. SROs can't arrest them if they leave. I can count them absent. Yippee. That's about it. I have 5 administrators for 1,800 kids. If 500 leave all at once, we cannot stop them. Nor can I effectively punish, in a meaningful way, that many kids. Now, we have kids organizing a walkout on Monday, so I guess we will see how many actually leave. But all my district is doing is counting them absent.

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Why can't you discipline them effectively? Use the library, auditorium, gym, sit on the ground, no phones, no stimulation, no talking, and they can't leave for lunch for an entire day....they won't dream of doing that again

When I was in high school I knew I was competing academically with students in other districts across the country/nation/world.

How is skipping school going to help anyone be successful academically?

Try that with 16 year olds and let me know how it works. Disciplining your kid is one thing, disciplining 500 randos who DGAF is another. Yall need to come sub in schools for a couple weeks.

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Try that with 16 year olds and let me know how it works. Disciplining your kid is one thing, disciplining 500 randos who DGAF is another. Yall need to come sub in schools for a couple weeks.

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So what are you going to do? - sounds like you have already just let them rule you and have given up. As long as you earn your paycheck all is good? Believe it or not you are contributing to the problem.

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Ag with kids said:

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agsalaska said:

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DavysApprentice said:

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agsalaska said:

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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This is one of the very few issues that I agree with the left on. The mess in the school districts today is largely a creation of the right not the left. At least in Texas.

That I agree with.

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What percentage of teachers and admin in Texas do you think are right leaning in these urban districts ?

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Probably 70% or so. But a better question would be 'what percentage of rules and regulations that they have to follow were created by right leaning legislators? And what percentage of parents are right leaning/left leaning?

There is definitely plenty of blame to go around but the right in my opinion owns the majority of it.

I've got a long day of kids sports and won't really be able to engage this topic properly today. But will be happy to at another time.

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You think that 70% of teachers and admin in urban districts are RIGHT leaning????

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Ha. No I said that backwards. 70% are left leaning.

My bad.

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Ha...

Yeah, that was a "wait, WUT?" moment when I read the post...

Right

Agsalaska ain't making no sense today.

Too early for him to be drinking.

You literally used a fever as the issue…congrats on being close the A&M Ed department…I am not siding on one side or the other, but this is a parent issue…again, throwing anymore money at education is a lost cause, you and I both know it.

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Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.

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You're right, nothing can be done. This is the first time it's ever happened. Oh wait it's happened for 50 years….
Get a grip, some of us deal with actual real problems and aren't allowed to just say, "well, what was I supposed to do?!"

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I'm not sure why you're being rude to this person or why so many put a blue star on that post.

Unlike you, his or her posts have actual reasons for the issue that they are facing as a school administrator on a large and spread out campus. And is looking for solutions.

While people like you are just sitting in the stands criticizing them.

As far as "actual real problems"......you don't think that a school administrator deals with "actual real problems"?

Are you serious?

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Why can't you discipline them effectively? Use the library, auditorium, gym, sit on the ground, no phones, no stimulation, no talking, and they can't leave for lunch for an entire day....they won't dream of doing that again

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Saturday detention for a month.

I am glad Governor Greg Abbott directed the Education Commissioner to investigate Austin ISD for letting kids out of school, with a police escort, to protest ICE at the Capitol. Our taxpayer dollars are for teaching teach the subjects required by the state, not to help students skip school to protest.

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Try that with 16 year olds and let me know how it works. Disciplining your kid is one thing, disciplining 500 randos who DGAF is another. Yall need to come sub in schools for a couple weeks.

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I taught HS for 9 years and saw this done firsthand....our principal set boundaries and was not afraid of the kids.

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You literally used a fever as the issue…congrats on being close the A&M Ed department…I am not siding on one side or the other, but this is a parent issue…again, throwing anymore money at education is a lost cause, you and I both know it.

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I also literally just heard about a kid with a fever above 100 whose teacher had no choice but to not let them go to the nurse.

You still side-stepped the part where you blame parents for being 100% of the problem. Yet, that's not where the right's anger is focused. The principle here is getting bashed solely because the right has increasingly taken away their power while threatening their employment for doing anything the right may not like.

It's Texas. ICE and TEA. Time to stir it up.

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Try that with 16 year olds and let me know how it works. Disciplining your kid is one thing, disciplining 500 randos who DGAF is another. Yall need to come sub in schools for a couple weeks.

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That sounds like schools aren't very functional nor effective and have thrown their hands up.

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It's a mess of the right's own creation. The right wants parents to control everything about their kids and threaten the livelihood of educators that disagree. And now the right is threatening to take away their livelihoods for not disciplining enough.

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Completely unhinged, utterly detached, and childish response.

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That's not a refutation. It sucks when you mess up. I get it. But at some point, you have to reconcile that the right is now blaming educators for not going far enough while simultaneously threatening their jobs for doing the simplest of things like sending a kid with a fever to the nurse. It's a lose-lose situation and one of the reasons why enrollment rates are declining. Who wants to enter a field where they're constantly being blamed and threatened?

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This is complete nonsense.

First of all, lets discuss what you mean by blaming "educators for not going far enough"?

What does that even mean?

People threaten teachers jobs for sending their kids to the nurse for a fever?

It sounds like you are just making everything up, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's see it.


Discipline is the number one problem in public education (and I would argue attention-span is a very close second if not tied for first), for sure. And you think that is being caused by people that are right-leaning? I dont even know if we are watching the same movie at this point.

The left has a monopoly on "nothing I do is my fault and is everyone elses" and I think that's where your grievance comes from, but you are blaming it on people who, if they were given a choice, would heavily prefer their kids received the same public school education that they did. Back when American exceptionalism was championed and we were sending Space Shuttles into orbit 2 or 3 times a month, we discussed racial differences, but did not make it a focal point and gay/trans **** was basically non-existent.

Letting kids out of their cage who are barely literate in the first place, to hold up signs protesting for leftist causes, is not something that should be normalized.

Here is the latest TEA grades of Austin ISD:
https://www.kxan.com/investigations/tea-releases-2025-a-f-ratings-3-austin-isd-schools-get-fourth-f-score/

3 schools received an F grade for the fourth time in a row. Whatever you think is good or bad, if you have failing schools, they dont have the luxury of standing on the side of the road holding up signs their teachers made for them to protest a cause they likely dont give a **** about.

The below chart is actually why the enrollment numbers are declining. Because the school districts are utterly failing at educating their kids.



Learn to read first. They dont have time for dumb**** "protest" projects from their activist "educators".

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Truancy can't arrest. Where do I run detention for 500 kids? How do you even know who walked out? I have multiple exits and fairly crappy cameras. Yeah we can count them absent but they already don't care. It's a no win. And trust me, I hate this crap too.

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The description of your campus situation sounds ripe for an active shooter situation to occur.

Its time you realize that both parties want public education to fail for various reasons. Republicans want cheaper private schools and dems want their indoctrination camps for the rest.

But neither one gives a crap about kids.

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Why can't you discipline them effectively? Use the library, auditorium, gym, sit on the ground, no phones, no stimulation, no talking, and they can't leave for lunch for an entire day....they won't dream of doing that again

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Saturday detention for a month.

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