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JWinTX said:

People on here act like Republican voters are tough. Hint: they aren't. They listen to crap like they're racist, privileged, homophobic, and xenophobic, to name a few. And the Dems ALWAYS win with this, as white women and beta males cower down. Should they? Of course not. But they do, and this garbage makes them not vote, just so they don't had to hear anyone call them names. We are a soft society. It's best to recognize that and do what's best to avoid garbage like this.


Cool story bro.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
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JWinTX said:

People on here act like Republican voters are tough. Hint: they aren't. They listen to crap like they're racist, privileged, homophobic, and xenophobic, to name a few. And the Dems ALWAYS win with this, as white women and beta males cower down. Should they? Of course not. But they do, and this garbage makes them not vote, just so they don't had to hear anyone call them names. We are a soft society. It's best to recognize that and do what's best to avoid garbage like this.

Wait? So Republicans are soft because beta males and white women vote Democrat? I am lost.
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Same
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How may of those bleeding on this thread have posted on the Somali Daycare Fraud thread? I mean, that's a much bigger low (until the next leftist run shathole scandal is uncovered)…
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oh no said:

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for good or ill, Americans have certain expectations of whoever occupies the office of the Presidency. Our President represents us, and assuming the office generates a certain responsibility attached to the role he plays while occupying that office, thus the People are allowed to expect him to comport himself in a way that does not diminish the office he occupies. We want the individual who sits behind the Resolute Desk to be a sort of moral exemplar, or at the very least do his best to pretend his character is above reproach.

like screaming to the world that half of his own citizenry- especially the ones with jobs that fund his government through tax extortion- are "extremists"?


I suppose one could have thought that Biden was speaking ill of half the country, if one didn't actually listen to/read his words and assumed he was speaking of Republicans in general, rather than a subset of Republicans who he labeled as "MAGA Republicans" which he characterized as engaging in "extremism." Nevertheless, if we look at the man's words, he was explicit about who he was referencing:

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Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I've been able to work with these mainstream Republicans. ...


These are hard things, but I'm an American president, not a president of red America or blue America, but of all America. And I believe it's my duty, my duty to level with you, to tell the truth no matter how difficult, no matter how painful.



If you listen further, he even describes what he meant by extremism:
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And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election, and they're working right now as I speak in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.



I get that can sound alarming, because it was alarming, and as an attack if one considers oneself a MAGA Republican in a different sense than the one that Biden explicitly defined, yet recent events make it sound a bit prescient, particularly in regards to respect for the Constitution, with the President now calling for the nationalization of elections, in clear violation of Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the Constitution, his attacks on birthright citizenship, clearly in conflict with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, apparent disregard for the 2nd Amendment in his response to the Pretti killing, and clear attacks on the 1st Amendment in the revocation of visas for those who engage in speech with which the administration objects, as well as recent attacks on the freedom of the press. Add to that several on the Right who claim that Due Process is for citizens, as they seek to deny apprehended immigrants full due process rights in an effort to expedite their removal, in spite of language in the 14th Amendment which explicitly states that "any person" has a right to due process.

Even if you are a Trump supporter, is it not at least a little unsettling when the President, who took an oath to the Constitution, forwards these positions so clearly at odds with that oath? And yeah, criticize Biden all you want, but consider the nature of your criticisms. If they are based upon your belief that he didn't fulfill his duties, and wasn't up to the job, then you understand what I meant when I stated that viewing the President through a values based lens is valid.
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Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…
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You can't be that naive. Everybody knew exactly what Biden was saying and what he was doing. Get real.
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Rockdoc said:

You can't be that naive. Everybody knew exactly what Biden was saying and what he was doing. Get real.
yep. everyone who didn't vote for the Marxist regime- all +75 million of them- are "ultra MAGA extremists" whatever the **** the brainwashed masses think that means.

They spew hyperbolic rhetoric and straight up lies constantly to convince their base to attempt assassinations on conservative judges, presidential candidates, and even podcasters then say the job and family-having, tax paying conservatives are the extremists. They support a corrupt senile racist old man calling all who oppose his party extremists then express their concerns about a cartoon meme being "a new low" and a certain level of decorum should be expected from the president they try kill.

There's no negotiating with this level is dishonesty and hypocrisy.
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I have quite a few Facebook "friends" and coworkers that are libs and full of raging TDS. I typically use that forum as a gauge for the outrage of the day on Trump. As of today only a single one of them has posted something about this video.

It's much ado about nothing.
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Anybody who actually thinks Biden was running the presidency is reaaaallly naive. Step back and actually use common sense as you look at that 4 years. THAT was embarrsssing. Just embarrassing. From no border to import votes, funneling billions of hard earned tax dollars into these people, essentially having buy these votes while skimming billions at the same time for their own bank accounts and their campaigns... and btw, who is dense enough to not understand only legal citizens should vote. Fantasy land to think one should not prove they have the right to vote. Also, playing god to insist anything more than boys have a ***** and women have vaginas...and pushing this on school children...damn...the world in your head...embarrassing and the real tragedy. The real problem is having to argue what's right or wrong here. They have control of your emotions...just where they want you. Ditch justifying this stuff and come back off the left edge towards the middle and back to some sense of normalcy, please please please.
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mslags97 said:

Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…

Hitler was Hitler well before he instituted extermination camps.

The first extermination camp did not open until 1941.

From 1933 - 1941, Hitler did a lot of terrible things and that is where Trump is.

I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.

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Rockdoc said:

You can't be that naive. Everybody knew exactly what Biden was saying and what he was doing. Get real.

If you consider yourself not simply a Republican, but a MAGA Republican, independent of how Biden defined what he meant by use of the term "MAGA Republican," and took offense at what Biden said, that's your right. You are free to feel offended in the same way that those who were offended by Trump's posts are offended. But the fact remains that the words we have speak particularly, not generally.

One does wonder, however, was your outrage based upon the words that were spoken, or how those words were characterized by the talking heads on the right? That question is raised by your use of "everybody knew ..." If the latter, isn't that the same thing that is often attributed to those on the left, that they are subject to whatever their media personalities convince them to believe?
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Ag98and03 said:



I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.



Just because someone is a "historian" does not exempt them from being a stupid dumbass liberal suffering from TDS and being wrong.
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one safe place said:

Ag98and03 said:



I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.



Just because someone is a "historian" does not exempt them from being a stupid dumbass liberal suffering from TDS and being wrong.


Next you'll tell me that an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy
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Ag98and03 said:

mslags97 said:

Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…

Hitler was Hitler well before he instituted extermination camps.

The first extermination camp did not open until 1941.

From 1933 - 1941, Hitler did a lot of terrible things and that is where Trump is.

I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.



The thing about Hitler is that he never would have become the infamous monster he did without the complicity of the German people. His party's initial gaining of power propelled him to the chancellory, which then allowed the incremental power grabs that resulted in his being able to thrust the world into global conflict and the extermination of millions in the camps. The role of the people in allowing such a horrific regime to inflict its horrors on the world is the real puzzle there.

So when people make the comparisons, one has to wonder why such comparisons are being made? Is it that some truly believe that Trump is equally evil? Or is it they see the same types of forces at play that can lead a country down the dark path to ruin?
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oldyeller said:

Ag98and03 said:

mslags97 said:

Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…

Hitler was Hitler well before he instituted extermination camps.

The first extermination camp did not open until 1941.

From 1933 - 1941, Hitler did a lot of terrible things and that is where Trump is.

I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.



The thing about Hitler is that he never would have become the infamous monster he did without the complicity of the German people. His party's initial gaining of power propelled him to the chancellory, which then allowed the incremental power grabs that resulted in his being able to thrust the world into global conflict and the extermination of millions in the camps. The role of the people in allowing such a horrific regime to inflict its horrors on the world is the real puzzle there.

So when people make the comparisons, one has to wonder why such comparisons are being made? Is it that some truly believe that Trump is equally evil? Or is it they see the same types of forces at play that can lead a country down the dark path to ruin?


They called W Hitler,too.

You are over thinking it. They do it because they are dimwitted losers who are easily manipulated by propaganda.
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Ag98and03 said:

mslags97 said:

Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…

Hitler was Hitler well before he instituted extermination camps.

The first extermination camp did not open until 1941.

From 1933 - 1941, Hitler did a lot of terrible things and that is where Trump is.

I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.




Lolololol

Historians are saying that? Holy **** that means something!

ICE has had detention centers for decades. Do some research and stop being such an easily manipulated sheep.
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This is not the same. Go touch grass. Read a book. Go protest other countries being ****holes and not providing laws that allows their citizens to make a good living….but no, protest deporting them from a strained US system bc of your feelings.
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oldyeller said:

oh no said:

oldyeller said:

for good or ill, Americans have certain expectations of whoever occupies the office of the Presidency. Our President represents us, and assuming the office generates a certain responsibility attached to the role he plays while occupying that office, thus the People are allowed to expect him to comport himself in a way that does not diminish the office he occupies. We want the individual who sits behind the Resolute Desk to be a sort of moral exemplar, or at the very least do his best to pretend his character is above reproach.

like screaming to the world that half of his own citizenry- especially the ones with jobs that fund his government through tax extortion- are "extremists"?


I suppose one could have thought that Biden was speaking ill of half the country, if one didn't actually listen to/read his words and assumed he was speaking of Republicans in general, rather than a subset of Republicans who he labeled as "MAGA Republicans" which he characterized as engaging in "extremism." Nevertheless, if we look at the man's words, he was explicit about who he was referencing:

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Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I've been able to work with these mainstream Republicans. ...


These are hard things, but I'm an American president, not a president of red America or blue America, but of all America. And I believe it's my duty, my duty to level with you, to tell the truth no matter how difficult, no matter how painful.



If you listen further, he even describes what he meant by extremism:
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And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election, and they're working right now as I speak in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.



I get that can sound alarming, because it was alarming, and as an attack if one considers oneself a MAGA Republican in a different sense than the one that Biden explicitly defined, yet recent events make it sound a bit prescient, particularly in regards to respect for the Constitution, with the President now calling for the nationalization of elections, in clear violation of Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the Constitution, his attacks on birthright citizenship, clearly in conflict with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, apparent disregard for the 2nd Amendment in his response to the Pretti killing, and clear attacks on the 1st Amendment in the revocation of visas for those who engage in speech with which the administration objects, as well as recent attacks on the freedom of the press. Add to that several on the Right who claim that Due Process is for citizens, as they seek to deny apprehended immigrants full due process rights in an effort to expedite their removal, in spite of language in the 14th Amendment which explicitly states that "any person" has a right to due process.

Even if you are a Trump supporter, is it not at least a little unsettling when the President, who took an oath to the Constitution, forwards these positions so clearly at odds with that oath? And yeah, criticize Biden all you want, but consider the nature of your criticisms. If they are based upon your belief that he didn't fulfill his duties, and wasn't up to the job, then you understand what I meant when I stated that viewing the President through a values based lens is valid.
Biden's speech wasn't alarming because MAGA has no regard for the constitution, it was because the man occupying the presidency was trying to gaslight the citizens and convince them that the fraud we all witnessed on election night didn't happen. Only after Biden left office did the magnitude of the fraud start to come out. It was alarming because the pedophile in the whitehouse was trying to claim some sort of moral high ground by clinging to the constitution while censoring speech and denying the most fundamental rights to the unvaxxed.

As for Article 1 Section 4, it explicitly gives Congress the authority to regulate elections. If you missed that in your civics class, it's right after the semicolon.

As for the 14th amendment, it excludes birthright citizenship to those not subject to the jurisdiction of the state. This clause has been tested by the courts, most notably in US v Wong Kim Ark where it found birthright citizenship did apply to the children of non-citizens having permanent domicile and residence. That case made clear that the exclusion also applied to enemies illegally occupying the territory of the state. Ark's parents were legally domiciled residents.

The illegal residence of the parents not declared as enemies has never been tested by the Supreme Court. To act like the fair minded questioning of whether the exclusion of those here illegally only extends to enemies is somehow anti-constitution is farcical. The 'MAGA' interpretation of the constitution in fact shows great deference to the supremacy of the constitution and the precision of the language therein.

As for the 2nd amendment, you get no argument from me. Trump's ban on bump stocks and other policy positions are a clear infringement on the rights of all Americans.

And finally, the right of foreign national visa holders to come to America to commit crimes, violate the rights of citizens, support terrorists, adversely effect our national security or foreign policy is not a right enshrined anywhere in our constitution.

Trying to gaslight people into believing otherwise makes you no better than Biden and given his cognitive decline, arguable makes you worse.
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Really good post.

I love how we have leftists defending the 2nd amendment now.
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oldyeller said:


If you consider yourself not simply a Republican, but a MAGA Republican, independent of how Biden defined what he meant by use of the term "MAGA Republican,"
well only leftists are experts on the difference between a republican and a maga republican, but they won't define it. MAGA is Trump's campaign slogan. Anyone who didn't vote for the socialist party voted for "maga". Probably three times. Many that voted for trump also voted for Romney, McCain, Bush before. You can't define it. Your party and their Pravda media arm have made the brainwashed masses believe anyone who votes for not-socialism - who wants smaller government and lower taxes is: extremist / racist / domestic terrorist / fascist / Nazi / whatever - the left makes the rules, refuses to define them, and can't back them up because they're lies. It's just done for the political violence, chaos and anarchy that Marxist revolutions need. …but at the same time, a cartoon repost is a new low. Always held to way higher standards.
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Hmmm

The people who eagerly voted for the known segregationist and who told us a week ago that black people are too infantile to get an ID are still here claiming to be outraged by racism


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I understand that Trump accidentally spilled Diet Coke down the posterior side Rubio the other day on AF1.

Trump was seen giving an odd smirk, apologizing to Rubio but seeming insincere.

I think with all the other allegations of racism, we can be confident that Trump was mocking Rubio as a "*******", a known slander of illegal immigrants from Central & South America.
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This whole thing is hilarious. Even if Trump posted that, knowing how the oversensitive morons on the left would take it….who cares? Are we supposed to vote for the woman who slept her way to office and doesn't have two brain cells to run together? The Minnesota Fraudster who lied about his military service record?

If racial jokes are where the line is…and not things that are so much worse….i don't know many people that are qualified to run.
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A children's book coming soon to the Obama library


"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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If you turn your screen just right and adjust the contrast, you can validate Mike wearing that dress with free range underneath.
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always playing the victim whilst colluding for supremacy under the guise of equality. This is why alot of us couldn't give less of a **** about the insecurities of minorities. Now they are no longer the minority.

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flown-the-coop said:

I understand that Trump accidentally spilled Diet Coke down the posterior side Rubio the other day on AF1.

Trump was seen giving an odd smirk, apologizing to Rubio but seeming insincere.

I think with all the other allegations of racism, we can be confident that Trump was mocking Rubio as a "*******", a known slander of illegal immigrants from Central & South America.



NM. That had to be sarcasm. Right?
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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MagnumLoad said:

flown-the-coop said:

I understand that Trump accidentally spilled Diet Coke down the posterior side Rubio the other day on AF1.

Trump was seen giving an odd smirk, apologizing to Rubio but seeming insincere.

I think with all the other allegations of racism, we can be confident that Trump was mocking Rubio as a "*******", a known slander of illegal immigrants from Central & South America.



NM. That had to be sarcasm. Right?

Is it? Like trying to determine Bee or Not the Bee. But yes it was sarcasm, but the left would totally lap this up if Adam Schiff told them it was all true.
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chap said:



Kind of how I see it right here...
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Ag98and03 said:

mslags97 said:

Raiderjay said:

The video is stupid, and so is believing Trump posted it......


And I can point to calling Trump a Nazi as 1,000 times worse. And such a stupid comparison. He's about 11 million deaths at his orders behind becoming Hitler…

Hitler was Hitler well before he instituted extermination camps.

The first extermination camp did not open until 1941.

From 1933 - 1941, Hitler did a lot of terrible things and that is where Trump is.

I hate to tell you, but historians already are saying the ICE detention centers are, in fact, concentration camps.



Holy **** this is the dumbest way of demonizing someone I've ever seen. "He's not really as bad as we say, but he will be! Historians I agree with are saying so in foresight!"
 
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