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Flavius Agximus said:

2026NCAggies said:

harge57 said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Rockdoc said:

What I want to know is what is our "threshold" as the general put it? Even though we intercepted what they fired at our ships, what if one slips through and hits one of our destroyers? That's not acceptable and pure BS. The act of firing should have been the threshold. Quit screwing around with these idiots. Losing a multi-billion dollar ship is not acceptable.

obviously Trump and the braintrust around him at the White House

believe it is better for the USA right now to strangle the Islamic Republic into submission than to start heavily bombing them.

there is even an air blockade in that no aircraft have even been flying OVER Iran the past few days much less landing.



I believe this is correct. The administration is making progress in moving towards their goal of capitulation without great expending lives and material. Why not take the slow road with less risk? Trump seems to weigh the cost of American servicemen very heavily, something that should be very much appreciated.

Right now, exposing Iran's bluff on the SoH is a key point in removing the last leverage that Iran has, to the extent that leverage actually exists. Without that threat, everything else Trump wants becomes much easier. I still think the time for more bombs will come, but that will be over forcing the surrender of the nuclear material and hopefully the end of the IRGC and control of Iran by radicals at large.

The only way you finish them off is through another bombing campaign. They do not care about the blockade, have you seen their last proposal? Complete joke. There is no negotiating with these idiots, they could care less about the economy, they just want to outlast us and survive

It is time to finish the job and devastate through bombing

You do not go the slow route period, congress is fed up already and so are the population. FINISH THE DAMN JOB

This thing could be won within another month. The blockade will take a long time. We do not have that kind of time.

Rs are going to get their asses tore up in the midterms if this lasts months





Completely disagree. You can't "finish the job" with bombing alone, we have already bombed 95% of the military targets. To meet the objectives of taking Iran's Uranium and essentially taking over the strait and ensuring safe passage would require significant "boots on the ground" presence which i think in the US is the least preferred option.

Um we have not bombed 95% of the military targets. Trump and Hegseth said we only bombed 70 to 75% and it is probably more around 65%. You bomb the remaining targets, kill off more top leaders and bomb their infrastructure to rubble. While keeping the blockade

They will be done with if we do that. Arm the civilians and get factions of the Artesh army to turn against the IRGC and it will definitely be over

And we have already cleared one passage in the strait without boots on the ground...............

in hindsight wonder if the initial decapitation strike was the right approach? Maybe for the Israelis thinking of it in terms of perpetual regional war, and IIRC that strike was the Israelis' doing, it was a good move. But for us looking to destroy nuclear and missile capability and get out, it left too big a void in national authority figures who could cut a deal.


maybe consider the ACTUAL REALITY that Ayatollah Ali Khameini HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN OVER THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM in June 2025

and he chose to be bombed

then he had the opportunity to make a deal in February 2026 and he chose to be bombed

suddenly you think that after surviving three rounds of this he is going to surrender?!!?

you need to realize that Ali Khameini WAS MORE INTRANSIGENT and hated the USA more than any other current leader.
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Is Taeb speaking for Supreme Leader or is another member (or members) coordinating their positions.

For that matter, can they coordinate / communicate?
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harge57 said:

2026NCAggies said:

American Hardwood said:

LMCane said:

Rockdoc said:

What I want to know is what is our "threshold" as the general put it? Even though we intercepted what they fired at our ships, what if one slips through and hits one of our destroyers? That's not acceptable and pure BS. The act of firing should have been the threshold. Quit screwing around with these idiots. Losing a multi-billion dollar ship is not acceptable.

obviously Trump and the braintrust around him at the White House

believe it is better for the USA right now to strangle the Islamic Republic into submission than to start heavily bombing them.

there is even an air blockade in that no aircraft have even been flying OVER Iran the past few days much less landing.



I believe this is correct. The administration is making progress in moving towards their goal of capitulation without great expending lives and material. Why not take the slow road with less risk? Trump seems to weigh the cost of American servicemen very heavily, something that should be very much appreciated.

Right now, exposing Iran's bluff on the SoH is a key point in removing the last leverage that Iran has, to the extent that leverage actually exists. Without that threat, everything else Trump wants becomes much easier. I still think the time for more bombs will come, but that will be over forcing the surrender of the nuclear material and hopefully the end of the IRGC and control of Iran by radicals at large.

The only way you finish them off is through another bombing campaign. They do not care about the blockade, have you seen their last proposal? Complete joke. There is no negotiating with these idiots, they could care less about the economy, they just want to outlast us and survive

It is time to finish the job and devastate through bombing

You do not go the slow route period, congress is fed up already and so are the population. FINISH THE DAMN JOB

This thing could be won within another month. The blockade will take a long time. We do not have that kind of time.

Rs are going to get their asses tore up in the midterms if this lasts months





Completely disagree. You can't "finish the job" with bombing alone, we have already bombed 95% of the military targets. To meet the objectives of taking Iran's Uranium and essentially taking over the strait and ensuring safe passage would require significant "boots on the ground" presence which i think in the US is the least preferred option.

Your just wrong here. LOL
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LMCane said:

The four key figures driving decision-making in Iran - including the recent strike in the UAE:

Ahmad Vahidi - Commander of the IRGC
Mohammad Bagher Zolghadr - Secretary of the National Security Council
Hossein Taeb - Senior adviser to the Supreme Leader
Whoever has his hand up Mojtaba Khamenei's ass using him as a puppet - Supreme Leader

According to my sources, the three coordinate decisions with Mojtaba's puppetmaster.

Source close to the IRGC tells me:
"Any sign of hesitation will be seen as weakness and will push the Americans to further harden their terms."

FIFY
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Thank you for the extremely well-informed analysis American Hardwood.
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Lt Gen Kellogg (Ret) on Fox talking about what he recommends Trump to do next which is to take Kharg Island and/or Bandai Abbas. That would seem to be serious business if Trump considers it.
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flown-the-coop said:

Lt Gen Kellogg (Ret) on Fox talking about what he recommends Trump to do next which is to take Kharg Island and/or Bandai Abbas. That would seem to be serious business if Trump considers it.


I honestly thought that was going to happen a few weeks ago. It definitely should be an option, IMO.
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LMCane said:

The four key figures driving decision-making in Iran - including the recent strike in the UAE:

Ahmad Vahidi - Commander of the IRGC
Mohammad Bagher Zolghadr - Secretary of the National Security Council
Hossein Taeb - Senior adviser to the Supreme Leader
Mojtaba Khamenei - Supreme Leader

According to my sources, the three coordinate decisions with Mojtaba.

Source close to the IRGC tells me:
"Any sign of hesitation will be seen as weakness and will push the Americans to further harden their terms."

I'd like to see us take out Vahidi. He seems the most bellicose of the lot.
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Flavius Agximus said:

LMCane said:

The four key figures driving decision-making in Iran - including the recent strike in the UAE:

Ahmad Vahidi - Commander of the IRGC
Mohammad Bagher Zolghadr - Secretary of the National Security Council
Hossein Taeb - Senior adviser to the Supreme Leader
Mojtaba Khamenei - Supreme Leader

According to my sources, the three coordinate decisions with Mojtaba.

Source close to the IRGC tells me:
"Any sign of hesitation will be seen as weakness and will push the Americans to further harden their terms."

I'd like to see us take out Vahidi. He seems the most bellicose of the lot.

I would like to see every last member of the IRGC, Sepah and the like vaporized, rubbleized, or executed. There is nothing but death cult evil on those guys. There is no redemption.

It's the same approach we should use on the Taliban, ISIS and similar.

Wipe the ****ers from the face of the Earth and do the same to anyone who tries carryon or resurrect their beliefs.
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Gen Jack Keane on now with Martha saying he expects significant escalation and that Trump will accept no deal other than unconditional surrender.

Seems to be an alignment. And I believe Trump is likely listening to what these guys are saying publicly and privately.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iran-denies-carrying-out-attacks-against-the-uae-in-recent-days/

Iran again denies it attacked UAE
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Rubio speaking at WH briefing. Framing Project Freedom as a hostage rescue of 23,000 people trapped by the Strait of Hormuz. And that countries have asked us to intervene and rescue the people and cargo of other nations.

Our approach and posture is defensive only in nature. This seems like an obvious delineation to Epic Fury.

Rubio, as he has been in this role, very clear in the message and delivery.
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Rubio also indicating escalation of Economic Fury (forgive that this is not military, but at this level they are intertwined) with Bessent focusing on removing all access for Iran to banking systems and markets. Will also push secondary sanctions on anyone dealing with Iran.

He seems pretty serious.
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4 said:

Gaeilge said:



Yeah, habib, it's called "unconditional surrender".

It's what happens when you lose a war in dramatic style and have absolutely NOTHING to negotiate with.

It would be good for you to learn that really quickly.

The thing is that ALL US Presidents caved to their conditions in the past, but now they're dealing with Trump. They seriously believe that if they can string this out long enough then he'll have to cave as well. The price of oil and scarcity of jet fuel is already hurting countries worldwide. They think that he'll have to cave due to pressure from our allies. That's why Trump just needs to end this expeditiously.
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ProgN said:

4 said:

Gaeilge said:



Yeah, habib, it's called "unconditional surrender".

It's what happens when you lose a war in dramatic style and have absolutely NOTHING to negotiate with.

It would be good for you to learn that really quickly.

The thing is that ALL US Presidents caved to their conditions in the past, but now they're dealing with Trump. They seriously believe that if they can string this out long enough then he'll have to cave as well. The price of oil and scarcity of jet fuel is already hurting countries worldwide. They think that he'll have to cave due to pressure from our allies. That's why Trump just needs to end this expeditiously.

If they think that the price of oil and pressure from the globe is going to stop Trump, then what are they going to think when their oil wells get screwed by lack of storage as we have been informed?

First, their big nuclear stick got buried under millions of tons of rock, then they shot their wad with ballistic missiles and drones, currently they are losing the SoH leverage, and next they presume leverage with "the world needs our oil and will make Trump quit" which is about to go belly up while Trump eats popcorn.

When will they realize that they have nothing left but suicide or surrender?
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American Hardwood said:

ProgN said:

4 said:

Gaeilge said:



Yeah, habib, it's called "unconditional surrender".

It's what happens when you lose a war in dramatic style and have absolutely NOTHING to negotiate with.

It would be good for you to learn that really quickly.

The thing is that ALL US Presidents caved to their conditions in the past, but now they're dealing with Trump. They seriously believe that if they can string this out long enough then he'll have to cave as well. The price of oil and scarcity of jet fuel is already hurting countries worldwide. They think that he'll have to cave due to pressure from our allies. That's why Trump just needs to end this expeditiously.

If they think that the price of oil and pressure from the globe is going to stop Trump, then what are they going to think when their oil wells get screwed by lack of storage as we have been informed?

First, their big nuclear stick got buried under millions of tons of rock, then they shot their wad with ballistic missiles and drones, currently they are losing the SoH leverage, and next they presume leverage with "the world needs our oil and will make Trump quit" which is about to go belly up while Trump eats popcorn.

When will they realize that they have nothing left but suicide or surrender?

They are religious fanatics, they will choose suicide before surrendering. Which is why we need to go back in to speed up the process
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No Spin Ag said:

flown-the-coop said:

Lt Gen Kellogg (Ret) on Fox talking about what he recommends Trump to do next which is to take Kharg Island and/or Bandai Abbas. That would seem to be serious business if Trump considers it.

I honestly thought that was going to happen a few weeks ago. It definitely should be an option, IMO.

Why do we want to take Kharg and/or Bandar Abbas if we could easily put both temporarily offline with a few precision kinetic strikes? We could even give them precise lat/long target coordinates and a 48 hr deadline to vacate.
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flown-the-coop said:

Rubio speaking at WH briefing. Framing Project Freedom as a hostage rescue of 23,000 people trapped by the Strait of Hormuz. And that countries have asked us to intervene and rescue the people and cargo of other nations.

Our approach and posture is defensive only in nature. This seems like an obvious delineation to Epic Fury.

Rubio, as he has been in this role, very clear in the message and delivery.

I haven't been the biggest fan of Trump and the administration during this whole deal, but I do think they have knocked two things out of the park :
1. The blockade of the strait has crippled Iran's leadership more than any bombing. It has been wildly successful.
2. Rubio has looked like a rockstar amongst chaos. He's definitely helping himself for the long term.
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If we destroy all of their military assets it will create a power vacuum and lots of factions will try to take power. Unless we plan to take control of their government, which the USA has proven is a very bad idea, then we need to leave a semblance of military left. That is why the first round of attacks mainly focused on IRGC strongholds and not the Artesh. Pockets of the Artesh have said they would support an overthrow of the IRGC and supreme leader but not enough to make a difference.

Bandar Abbas is a strategic naval base and should be considered a target. Kharg island is responsible for a large portion of Iran's economy and would take years to rebuild if destroyed.

The world really needs a ME power to step up to lead the charge but none have so far. They are all relying on the USA and Israel.
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benchmark said:

No Spin Ag said:

flown-the-coop said:

Lt Gen Kellogg (Ret) on Fox talking about what he recommends Trump to do next which is to take Kharg Island and/or Bandai Abbas. That would seem to be serious business if Trump considers it.

I honestly thought that was going to happen a few weeks ago. It definitely should be an option, IMO.

Why do we want to take Kharg and/or Bandar Abbas if we could easily put both temporarily offline with a few precision kinetic strikes? We could even give them precise lat/long target coordinates and a 48 hr deadline to vacate.

Yea, the discussion by the generals was to possess them so I do not think out plans are to "obliterate" the bases / facilities there.

As others have mentioned, obliterating has very poor consequences for all involved. Now, Kellogg and Keane were simply providing their opinions on Fox News TV shows and most certainly the details, complexities, consequences and the rest were NOT discussed, and I am sure there are many many things to consider.

But I do not believe the plan will include kinetic strikes to put them offline as that would be much trickier than say putting power generation offline.

There is also high potential for sabotage a la Iraq on their way out of Kuwait. That would also be bad.
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Quote:

Why do we want to take Kharg and/or Bandar Abbas if we could easily put both temporarily offline with a few precision kinetic strikes? We could even give them precise lat/long target coordinates and a 48 hr deadline to vacate.

Hasn't the regime brought two supertankers out of mothballs for storage and they are moored at Kharg? (Not operational on their own.) Can the island also be blockaded and if our ships are attacked we blow the supertankers up?
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Spilling a couple/4 million barrels into the waters of the SOH would be a gem of a PR move.
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Ducks4brkfast said:

Spilling a couple/4 million barrels into the waters of the SOH would be a gem of a PR move.

What do think would happen if we bomb Kharg Island? Not a drop of oil will be spilled?
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Neither of those things are likely to happen
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aggiehawg said:

Ducks4brkfast said:

Spilling a couple/4 million barrels into the waters of the SOH would be a gem of a PR move.

What do think would happen if we bomb Kharg Island? Not a drop of oil will be spilled?

Where did I ever advocate for that?
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Believe the concept was that we would blow up the crude carriers to block kharg vs blow up kharg. Hawg I believe was just pointing out both spill oil and would be nonstop goats being washed with dawn soap leading up to the midterms.

I think this is why Kellogg and Keane mention these as take overs vs take outs. Just my 2 cents (or 25k rial).
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aggiehawg said:

What do think would happen if we bomb Kharg Island? Not a drop of oil will be spilled?

No oil spills if the right targets are selectied. For example, Kharg's elec power station is fueled by natural gas. Natural gas pipelines require compressor stations evey 50-60 miles. Take out the right gas compressor station and Kharg is effectively shut down. Ditto Bandar Abbas and all the elec cranes at their container port.
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Trump now pausing Project Freedom to try and get a deal finalized.
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I think the issue is that any troops you put on the ground to occupy either facility would 1) break Trumps no boots on the ground promise and 2) would be subjected to endless drone attacks that we have not shown a good track record of intercepting even at our own bases elsewhere in the ME. Trying to occupy Iranian facilities and setup air defenses on the fly to avoid drone attacks would be extremely difficult.
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YouBet said:

Trump now pausing Project Freedom to try and get a deal finalized.

Please notice the smiley face! I know this is hard for us armchair generals/policy makers/strategists to comprehend, but maybe we do not fully understand everything that is going on behind the scenes. Rome was not built in a day.

My uneducated guess:

I think all of Trump's tweets are a diversion. Listen to Rubio, Bessent, and Hegseth. They are the voice of reality. Trump is just F'ing with them playing his unhinged character to a tee.
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JB!98 said:

YouBet said:

Trump now pausing Project Freedom to try and get a deal finalized.

Please notice the smiley face! I know this is hard for us armchair generals/policy makers/strategists to comprehend, but maybe we do not fully understand everything that is going on behind the scenes. Rome was not built in a day.

My uneducated guess:

I think all of Trump's tweets are a diversion. Listen to Rubio, Bessent, and Hegseth. They are the voice of reality. Trump is just F'ing with them playing his unhinged character to a tee.

I agree for the most part which is why I tend to ignore what he says and focus on what he does. Many people have yet to learn this lesson about him.
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Let him cook. Then we will see.

Multiple times we've seen posturing for a negotiation then decisive action (Venezuela, tariffs).
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YouBet said:

Trump now pausing Project Freedom to try and get a deal finalized.

I really don't know how to navigate a tactical military conversation vs a political conversation. My guess would be he wants to move on to a different thing, but I hope he sees this through. It would be great for the rest of the world to not have Iran in its current form exist anymore. From a tactical and military standpoint I hope he unleashes the full might of our military on them. "Death to the US" and 'Death to Israel" should be taken seriously. Finish the job.
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Escort operation (Project Freedom) suspended.

What agreement?
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Axios is reporting the war may be ending soon based on a one-page memo. Iran has agreed to moratorium on enrichment. Strait will open with no tolls or blockade, gradually over 30 days. US will lift some sanctions.

Details will be ironed out over a 30 day period.

US wants 20 years of zero enrichment, Iran has supposedly agreed to 5.
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