iran, what did i miss?

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?


Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.


Canada sucks. Should we attack them? No Iranian ever called me hoser.

I wasn't aware Canada was directly funding known terrorist organizations that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths including thousands of American deaths. Seems your comparison fails.
The Iranian Islamic fundamentalist radical leadership has openly declared for the elimination of Jews and Christian's.

Canada does abortion until birth and puts down depressed people like dogs, tens of thousands a year. Their government are every bit as evil as the iranian regime, its just westernized evil. I would far rather take out canada than iran. I dont give a **** about iran. Blow up Iran, I really dont care, but why is canada getting a pass?

We shouldn't don't blow up guys because they are evil, we should blow them up because they are a sufficient threat to Americans. If Canada was killing Americans, then I'd be all for invading them.

Iran is not a threat to the US. Not only do they not have nukes, but even if they did, they have no way to hit us with them. And even if they did, they would never do that (for the same reason NK doesn't nuke us).

Iran is a threat to Israel. Which is why this year our negations are including missiles and proxies. Last year it was only about enrichment. Iran is also a regional competitor to Israel. And Israel has wanted regime change since 1979.

If you feel these reasons are sufficient for us to attack Iran, that is fine. But call it what it is- a war for Israel.


This is a well reasoned response that makes a lot of sense. I agree with you.

It makes a lot of sense to toddlers.


I read your comments and responses as well and they just weren't as coherent or compelling. I'm sorry that I don't agree with you. I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult a complete stranger, but it does reinforce my decision to reject your argument. If you're this immature in dealing with a message board poster, how immature must your thinking be when it comes to world politics and foreign policy. Have a good day.

The immature thing is to pretend, regardless of the many examples and history, that Iran is harmless to the US.

Do you deny that they could easily smuggle a nuke into a US harbor? Did you know that ABC news smuggled a radioactive hunk of metal into NY harbor TWICE without their container even being opened? And they weren't even trying to hide it. Not to mention that a state actor could EASILY shield a nuke. Hell, our bomber pilots can "pet" nukes on the pylons of their aircraft, for example.

One has to be self delusional to pretend the threat doesn't exist.


Now do North Korea. Nuclear power. Threat to the US. Threat to one of our greatest allies in the region (South Korea). Threat to the regional economics of Asia. Communist country. Friendly with our most dangerous rival, China. Sounds a lot like Iran. Based on this, you should want to bomb them too. Did I get this right? I want to watch you trip all over yourself trying to justify the difference.

I've specifically addressed North Korea and China already. If you really "read" my comments, you would know this.


They're the same. Also, I hate to spoil it for you, but we're still looking for those WMDs in Iraq. This time it's different.

They are nowhere near the same. Iran has literally attacked and killed American soldiers in recent years. North Korea has not.

And, BTW, taking out North Korea prior to them obtaining nukes would have been a damned good thing. Much of the nuke technology that our enemies have came from them.

So this is a bad example in many ways.


If not North Korea, how about Iraq? Muslim dictator that didn't like the West. Trying to build/procure WMDs. Sound familiar? How did that turn out? Was it worth it to eliminate Saddam and institute a regime change? What did we get? A new regime that hates us just as much, a ~$3 trillion bill, and 4,500 American casualties.

Let's run it back. Do it again. Worked great last time.

Do you doubt that Iran has been enriching uranium well beyond what is needed to produce power and towards weapons grade? That is already well beyond any evidence we had on Iraq. Why do you think Iran was doing that? Kicks and giggles?

AND, BTW if Saddam was indeed building a WMD then that was absolutely worth it. What made it not worth it was that our intel was wrong. Hell, Gaddafi halted his secret nuke program as a result. Of course Obama screwed that up and killed him, which encourages everybody to build nukes as fast as they can. The lesson to take out of this is this: If you agree with modern Democrats on foreign policy, you are certainly wrong.
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American Hardwood said:

We should be going after China, I agree with you there. Trump is trying. But, that is a different battlefield. One that doesn't involve bombs and aircraft carriers....at least for the foreseeable future.

Iran only knows violence. They will only respond to violence. They have wiped out thousands of their own people and have the country in a crisis condition on many fronts.

I don't relish war. Especially in the ME. But in my lifetime, I have never seen the mullahs in a position so weak, with a population that is begging for help in regime change. If we fail to take advantage of that, we are weak and we will embolden the Islamists to further aggression. Like it or not, the time is now.

You keep saying they aren't a threat, but ignore the countless episodes of exported terrorism all across the globe including the U.S. Your head is full of wishful thinking.


I appreciate your perspective. I just think that if we attack Iran they will hate us even more and be more motivated to bring terror to our shores. I'm not worried about their nuclear capabilities because their ICBMs don't have the range to reach us. However, they could activate a terrorist cell in the US or fly another plane into a building.
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You should read the following books:

1. Deadly Connections: States that Sponsor Terrorism by Daniel Byman (Cambridge University Press, 2005)
A seminal academic work analyzing state sponsorship of terrorism, with detailed chapters on Iran (including its support for Hezbollah, Palestinian groups, and others). It examines motivations, types of support, and case studies like Hezbollah's operations. Highly regarded for its rigorous approach and often recommended in terrorism studies.
2. Iran's Qods Force: Proxy Wars, Terrorism, and the War on America by Owen Sirrs (Naval Institute Press, recent edition)
Focuses specifically on the IRGC's Quds Force (the elite unit responsible for extraterritorial operations and proxy support). It covers proxy networks (Hezbollah, Hamas, Iraqi militias, Houthis), terrorist attacks, and Iran's asymmetric warfare against the U.S. and allies. Praised for its detailed operational history and military perspective.
3. Empire of Terror: Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps by Mark D. Silinsky (Potomac Books/University of Nebraska Press)
A comprehensive look at the IRGC's role in sponsoring terrorism globally, including attacks attributed to Iran or its proxies. It connects domestic repression to external terror operations and is noted for its critical examination of the regime's "export of revolution."
4. Iran, Revolution, and Proxy Wars by Ofira Seliktar and Farhad Rezaei (Palgrave Macmillan, 2020)
Uses network analysis to map Iran's sponsorship of terror groups and proxies across the region (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Gaza, Gulf states). It discusses how the Revolutionary Guards build and sustain these networks for destabilization and influence.
5. The Secret War with Iran: The 30-Year Clandestine Struggle Against the World's Most Dangerous Terrorist Power by Ronen Bergman (Free Press/Simon & Schuster)
An investigative journalist's account of Israel's shadow war with Iran, including details on Iranian-backed terrorist attacks (e.g., against Israeli targets abroad) and Tehran's use of proxies. It connects dots across decades of operations and is gripping yet well-sourced.
6. Vanguard of the Imam: Religion, Politics, and Iran's Revolutionary Guards by Afshon Ostovar (Oxford University Press)
Traces the IRGC's history and evolution, with significant coverage of its Quds Force, proxy warfare, and terrorism sponsorship (including Hezbollah's formation and attacks). Excellent for understanding the ideological and structural drivers behind Iran's terror activities.

I would also add these two books to that reading list:




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jwhaby said:

American Hardwood said:

We should be going after China, I agree with you there. Trump is trying. But, that is a different battlefield. One that doesn't involve bombs and aircraft carriers....at least for the foreseeable future.

Iran only knows violence. They will only respond to violence. They have wiped out thousands of their own people and have the country in a crisis condition on many fronts.

I don't relish war. Especially in the ME. But in my lifetime, I have never seen the mullahs in a position so weak, with a population that is begging for help in regime change. If we fail to take advantage of that, we are weak and we will embolden the Islamists to further aggression. Like it or not, the time is now.

You keep saying they aren't a threat, but ignore the countless episodes of exported terrorism all across the globe including the U.S. Your head is full of wishful thinking.


I appreciate your perspective. I just think that if we attack Iran they will hate us even more and be more motivated to bring terror to our shores. I'm not worried about their nuclear capabilities because their ICBMs don't have the range to reach us. However, they could activate a terrorist cell in the US or fly another plane into a building.

Ah, the Neville Chamberlain school of foreign policy.

That always works well
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Marxist Biden and communist democrats allowed sleeper cells into our country when they opened our borders.
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Narrative fixing.



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I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..
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And yet you ignore (again) the real possibility that they smuggle a nuke here. Weird how you completely ignore posts and points that destroy your entire argument. As if those posts never happened.
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BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..
Of course not. We just set it back.

If you really think that one bombing run ended it FOREVER, then you simply should not be taken seriously and should let the adults handle this for you.
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aTmAg said:

BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..
Of course not. We just set it back.

If you really think that one bombing run ended it FOREVER, then you simply should not be taken seriously and should let the adults handle this for you.


Just going off of what the administration reported…also, the letters F O seem appropriate here
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What happened to the 10 day deadline?
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BboroAg said:

aTmAg said:

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I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..

Of course not. We just set it back.

If you really think that one bombing run ended it FOREVER, then you simply should not be taken seriously and should let the adults handle this for you.


Just going off of what the administration reported…also, the letters F O seem appropriate here

The administration did not claim that they ended it FOREVER. They said they "obliterated" the sites and that it was a setback of 1-2 years for Iran.

You deserve a F O indeed.
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BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..

I thought we gave Israel billions so they could defend themselves and fight our enemies so we didnt have too. We give them billions because they have the best intelligence agency in the world that keeps us safe at night. Looks like we have made poor investments they can't beat Iran alone. While letting a battalion size ground element attack across the most secure border in the world. If they want war with Iran great let them do it.
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Haleyscomet50 said:

BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..

I thought we gave Israel billions so they could defend themselves and fight our enemies so we didnt have too. We give them billions because they have the best intelligence agency in the world that keeps us safe at night. Looks like we have made poor investments they can't beat Iran alone. While letting a battalion size ground element attack across the most secure border in the world. If they want war with Iran great let them do it.

The money we pay Israel isn't a "taking care of Iran for us" fee. It's for intel and sharing of their military technology (they share it with us PLUS promise to not sell it to anybody else). We've paid Israel ~$300B to Israel since it's founding. Why you think Israel should be able to handle Iran by itself with that is beyond me. Our war in Iraq alone cost $1.9 TRILLION. And Iran has twice the population, four times the land mass, and 9 times the GDP as Iraq.


And besides, Iran is a threat to US too. Not just Israel. The notion that we should just hope somebody else takes care of our problem for us is pathetic.
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For those too ignorant to realize reality around them:

leading state sponsor of terrorism in the entire world

just murdered 32,000 of their OWN CIVILIANS

led by 9th century Islamist fanatics for 47 years

lies about every treaty and agreement and continues to build nuclear weapons (according to JD Vance last night)

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aTmAg said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..

I thought we gave Israel billions so they could defend themselves and fight our enemies so we didnt have too. We give them billions because they have the best intelligence agency in the world that keeps us safe at night. Looks like we have made poor investments they can't beat Iran alone. While letting a battalion size ground element attack across the most secure border in the world. If they want war with Iran great let them do it.

The money we pay Israel isn't a "taking care of Iran for us" fee. It's for intel and sharing of their military technology (they share it with us PLUS promise to not sell it to anybody else). We've paid Israel ~$300B to Israel since it's founding. Why you think Israel should be able to handle Iran by itself with that is beyond me. Our war in Iraq alone cost $1.9 TRILLION. And Iran has twice the population, four times the land mass, and 9 times the GDP as Iraq.


And besides, Iran is a threat to US too. Not just Israel. The notion that we should just hope somebody else takes care of our problem for us is pathetic.

The Intel that let 3,000 of the poorest people in the region mass on the border and carry out a coordinated attack?
By poorest I mean Israel has hundreds but probably thousands of humit assets in Gaza these people will do anything for money and no one came forward? It has to be one or the other we either pay for great Intel and they let Oct 7 happen. Or we pay for Intel and it's a waste of the taxpayer money because it isn't any good.

Iran is a threat to Israel not us. Did you see the week long war they had no capability to hit Israel much less the US. They had no capability to send terrorist groups at Israel they were attacked and couldn't even defend themselves much less attack us.
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I'm beginning to think these anti-Israel, "Iran isn't a threat to us" posters are just a bunch of bots or paid posters. They parrot the same naive points over and over and ignore all of the counterpoints that completely dismantle their shallow positions.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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Haleyscomet50 said:

aTmAg said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

BboroAg said:

I thought we ended Iran's ability to achieve nuclear weapons when we bombed them last time…..

I thought we gave Israel billions so they could defend themselves and fight our enemies so we didnt have too. We give them billions because they have the best intelligence agency in the world that keeps us safe at night. Looks like we have made poor investments they can't beat Iran alone. While letting a battalion size ground element attack across the most secure border in the world. If they want war with Iran great let them do it.

The money we pay Israel isn't a "taking care of Iran for us" fee. It's for intel and sharing of their military technology (they share it with us PLUS promise to not sell it to anybody else). We've paid Israel ~$300B to Israel since it's founding. Why you think Israel should be able to handle Iran by itself with that is beyond me. Our war in Iraq alone cost $1.9 TRILLION. And Iran has twice the population, four times the land mass, and 9 times the GDP as Iraq.


And besides, Iran is a threat to US too. Not just Israel. The notion that we should just hope somebody else takes care of our problem for us is pathetic.

The Intel that let 3,000 of the poorest people in the region mass on the border and carry out a coordinated attack?
By poorest I mean Israel has hundreds but probably thousands of humit assets in Gaza these people will do anything for money and no one came forward? It has to be one or the other we either pay for great Intel and they let Oct 7 happen. Or we pay for Intel and it's a waste of the taxpayer money because it isn't any good.

Dude, we had 19 dudes train in the US and then fly planes into our buildings. Intel is never omniscient.

On 9/11/2001 we had very few sources of our own in the Middle East. Today, it is rumored that we have ZERO reliable sources in the Middle East. That when Biden left thousands of interpreters and friendly sources (and their families) to violently die at the hands of the Taliban, then NOBODY in the middle east wants anything to do with us (and for good reason). That we cannot be trusted with their lives. That our sources (that are still alive) now go to ISREAL. So even if you (incorrectly) think that Israel's intelligence is crap, ours is still worse in the middle east.
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Iran is a threat to Israel not us. Did you see the week long war they had no capability to hit Israel much less the US. They had no capability to send terrorist groups at Israel they were attacked and couldn't even defend themselves much less attack us.

They DON'T HAVE NUKES YET. How hard is this to get through your skulls? If they get nukes, then that will change EVERYTHING. They could easily smuggle one into the US just like the cartels smuggle tons of drugs into the country every year.
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old enough to remember when it was the Jew Vice President JD Vance who stated on 25 February 2025 that Iran was trying their best to restart their nuclear weapons program.

And the "Jews" Senator Ted Cruz and Secretary of State Marco Rubio

who proclaimed the Islamic Republic a threat to the national security of the United States.

oh, you mean they are actually Christians?



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LMCane said:

For those too ignorant to realize reality around them:

leading state sponsor of terrorism in the entire world

just murdered 32,000 of their OWN CIVILIANS

led by 9th century Islamist fanatics for 47 years

lies about every treaty and agreement and continues to build nuclear weapons (according to JD Vance last night)





They MIGHT want to ask the Japanese about Midway....
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aTmAg said:

And yet you ignore (again) the real possibility that they smuggle a nuke here. Weird how you completely ignore posts and points that destroy your entire argument. As if those posts never happened.


If we destroyed Iran's nuclear enrichment capability with operation Midnight Hammer, why did we need to bomb them again…to keep them from…enriching uranium.

Also, you don't need a nuclear bomb to inflict terror.
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Ramadan Bomb a thon has now boomeranged on the mullahs
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3597662

You're looking for that thread.
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(You are embarrassing yourself right now. You may want to take a 6 week break or get a new username)

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Yukon Cornelius said:

Your entire argument is an ad hominem. "You're either dumb or a racist". Yet you haven't articulated a strategic benefit to the untied states and more importantly its people that is worth risking WW3 to achieve. "Muh Russia and China" aren't reasons


We're doing it for the future. If we allowed Iran to get a Nuke, they are crazy enough to use it, unlike China or Russia, and China and Russia would likely be right there goading them to use it because they know they are a special kind of crazy...Then once they do use it everyone will be saying, why didn't anyone stop them? The Republicans had the opportunity, blah blah blah.

I don't like being the world police either and going more and more and more in debt as a country, but this is a more righteous action we have taken in the Middle East than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. This actually makes sense taking this regime out to prevent way bigger problems in the future.
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I hear you. Since it's started I'm supporting it and hope and pray we achieve what is intended swiftly with as little causalities as possible.
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King of the Dairy Queen said:

flown-the-coop said:

Sid Farkas said:

They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

I am that old too. I am hopeful and optimistic. The situation to date has been like watching a cancer grow and doing nothing to get rid of it.
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jwhaby said:

aTmAg said:

And yet you ignore (again) the real possibility that they smuggle a nuke here. Weird how you completely ignore posts and points that destroy your entire argument. As if those posts never happened.


If we destroyed Iran's nuclear enrichment capability with operation Midnight Hammer, why did we need to bomb them again…to keep them from…enriching uranium.

Also, you don't need a nuclear bomb to inflict terror.


Because either what they said.before was wrong or what they are saying now is wrong.
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jwhaby said:

American Hardwood said:

We should be going after China, I agree with you there. Trump is trying. But, that is a different battlefield. One that doesn't involve bombs and aircraft carriers....at least for the foreseeable future.

Iran only knows violence. They will only respond to violence. They have wiped out thousands of their own people and have the country in a crisis condition on many fronts.

I don't relish war. Especially in the ME. But in my lifetime, I have never seen the mullahs in a position so weak, with a population that is begging for help in regime change. If we fail to take advantage of that, we are weak and we will embolden the Islamists to further aggression. Like it or not, the time is now.

You keep saying they aren't a threat, but ignore the countless episodes of exported terrorism all across the globe including the U.S. Your head is full of wishful thinking.


I appreciate your perspective. I just think that if we attack Iran they will hate us even more and be more motivated to bring terror to our shores. I'm not worried about their nuclear capabilities because their ICBMs don't have the range to reach us. However, they could activate a terrorist cell in the US or fly another plane into a building.


so you don't worry about the foremost terrorist country having NUCLEAR WEAPONS-

because it will take them only another 3 years to gain an ICBM to then destroy the East Coast of the USA.

do you ever step back and read what you write and maybe think:

"yeah, that might not be the best strategy"

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OP-study history
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flown-the-coop said:

Sid Farkas said:

They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.


Trump is looking ahead 20 to 30 years. Politicians who just want votes have 30 second sound bites trying to stay in office.
 
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