Yukon Cornelius said:

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Obviously that would be preferable. Just like world peace but we can't just snap our fingers and make it happen. There is a cost associated with everything and as American as a whole we are terrible at doing that. Jesus says a wise man counts the cost first. We aren't. We are a BANKRUPT country. We cannot afford another war unless we want to put the final nail in the coffin of Gen Z and alpha ever owning homes.

And so when you look at the entire scope of the geopolitical landscape the number one beneficiary of this war is Israel and Bibi himself. Not everyday AMERICANS! We have been in the Me for 25 years over WMD already. How Gullible are you people.

We literally don't have the money. You're trading the future financial sovereignty of the United States and its future generations for a dopamine hit watching Twitter posts of more US bombing campaigns. We're addicted to bombing people.

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You're entirely dismissing the actual importance because of the possibility that Israel could also benefit. I don't know how else to ascribe that level of cutting off the nose to spite the face. Yes, there are costs, and I believe we are currently trying to get what we want while encountering the least cost, but that is not going to happen without even the threat of force. America carrying a big stick is still one of the best foreign policy positions both for us and for Western values long term.

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Can you guarantee that Iran will go back to a pro-Western regime? How friendly are the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan right now? We spent trillions of dollars in those countries and lost thousands of American lives. What do we have to show for it? I guess this is just more simplistic thinking. Maybe we need more enlightened thought like "Israel good because democracy, Iran bad because Muslim." Did I get it right?

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If that is what you can wrap your head around, it's still better than your current take on it.

How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

It has nothing to do with being addicted to bombing. That's a method and it's just part of the answer. The end goal is to get a secular government in place that isn't constantly exporting terror and causing mayhem throughout the Region and ultimately beyond the Region.

They are weakened now and the cost to get rid of the Mullahs and the opportunity to help the Iranian people get rid of the otherwise terminal tumor is as low as it's going to ever be. Otherwise we will have to deal with it later at likely a much much higher cost.

I understand the forever wars argument and I know we are in huge debt and continuing to deficit spend . The wars probably aren't going to stop and we aren't going to reduce military spending for that reason. Being by far the most capable military power keeps us as safe as we can be tho, and the cost to deal with this particular problem is never going to be lower. We're going to have to deal with this sooner or later in some form or fashion.

The spending problem has another answer… balanced budget amendment . Even then tho we'll still have significant military spending IF adults are in charge .

The benefit to the average American is we can likely reduce spending long term related to the constant Middle East mayhem for which the Mullahs are primarily responsible for .

Reduce spending long term by spending money we don't have that will incur debt interest payments we can't afford?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

We continue to overspend every day all day and that isn't going to change irrespective of this problem. Already stated ….that problem has another solution.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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If only you were born 50 years earlier you could have been marching with these guys.

how well did that work out for the "Average American" in 1941?

it's hard to understand whether those who support the Islamic Regime do so because they are simply ignorant of the real world, or whether they just hate Western civilization.

So you call me a Nazi instead of answering why Israel can't bomb Iran themselves when they were doing so with impunity last year? Awesome dude… my dad died serving this country. I live with the cost of war every single day. Maybe some of y'all are too far removed from it.

Why is it hard for you to understand my disdain for war in the ME isn't about supporting Islam but rather WTF do we care? Let the sand people kill each other for all I care. We should be more concerned about the western hemisphere. We have bigger problems south of our border that has killed many Americans. Let's clean up our side of the world first before we spill more American blood in stupid deserts.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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So you call me a Nazi instead of answering why Israel can't bomb Iran themselves when they were doing so with impunity last year? Awesome dude… my dad died serving this country. I live with the cost of war every single day. Maybe some of y'all are too far removed from it.

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lol, so your answer to complaining about Israel being behind everything, is to have Israel do all the things? That makes sense. If you think each country is out for their own interests, and you already have such a low opinion of Israel, why would you not want us to direct how that goes instead of them, given our already stated interests there?

I agree with you that Israel should do their share and their share should be big because they are ultimately the primary beneficiary but the truth is they aren't going to do it alone because that could cause a bigger conflict with other surrounding Muslim dominated countries . Israel alone causing regime change in Iran likely leads to a bigger problem. When you have the backing of the USA it changes the calculus. None of this is in a vacuum.
My personal opinion is the other Muslim countries (leadership) generally want a change in Iran but because of the religious overtones they won't publicly say so.

Don't put words in my mouth. I've been specifically speaking about our further action in Iran. Not ALL THINGS. And answer the question. Israel was very effective at bombing Iran. Zero assets lost. Why do we need to be involved?? Challenge mode. Answer it without insults.

We can and should walk and chew gum at the same time. You don't wait to fix the roof leak until you get all your credit cards paid off. If there is a pressing issue or opportunity to deal with an issue that will only get worse over time, you add it to the list of current priorities.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Don't put words in my mouth. I've been specifically speaking about our further action in Iran. Not ALL THINGS. And answer the question. Israel was very effective at bombing Iran. Zero assets lost. Why do we need to be involved?? Challenge mode. Answer it without insults.

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It's insulting to point out that you have a low opinion of Israel? I thought that was obvious with your previous posts. It's very possible that we both are correct in what happens there, but if so, it will only be because we are there to threaten more. Israel will likely do a lot of the heavy lifting, but they can only accomplish the end goal if they are not alone.

You've already seen what the reaction here is to any action at all to bring actual changes in Iran. Israel can't be seen as the main driver behind it, it significantly lowers the chance of success and us having to deal with it even more in the future.

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They also have Chinese and Potuges and Americans. Yes there are immigrants from other places too.

The Pakis have been slowly coming in and ****ing for 70 years mostly. 51,000 in 1970 to 1.6 million now

I'm not sure if you just trying to be obtuse but OBVIOUSLY there was a giant migrant crisis stemming from The Arab Spring, ISIS that led to the Syrian Civil War etc…

It was literally called "The Migrant Crisis". 4.5 million Syrians and over a million others from the region came into Europe alone in a few years

If you can't accept reality then a conversation can't be had.

Everyone : The sky is blue.

BBRex: "akchtuallee.. It's more of a cyan-adjacent void"

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So a quarter of the growth? Again, that's a lot, but not driving the bus. The migration was already in place.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.

annie88 said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.

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Canada sucks. Should we attack them? No Iranian ever called me hoser.

Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

I love Andy Samberg. I think he's hilarious.

Loved Brooklyn 99 too, well except for the eighth season, which was really bad.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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annie88 said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.

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Canada sucks. Should we attack them? No Iranian ever called me hoser.

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Well, the Iranians want you dead so I guess it equals out.

Ciboag96 said:

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Wait until everyone finds out what Israel is up to in this country. Hoo boy

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Enlighten us.

jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

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LOL yeah...I'm all for bombing the crap out of Iran...just because. But to say that a solution to our debt can be had by attacking Iran makes no sense whatsoever. Its not like we're gonna be taking their oil or anything. We're basically facilitating a coup...that's it. End of story.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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annie88 said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.

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Canada sucks. Should we attack them? No Iranian ever called me hoser.

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If you walked into Canada and announced yourself as an American in public, you might get a slight boo.

You do that in Iran and you're likely getting abducted and killed within a week.

If you walk into any hostile territory, that danger exists.

That doesn't mean we have to go to war with them.

This can't be allowed to happen:

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Mr. Witkoff said Tehran has been enriching uranium at up to the 60% level, well beyond the capacity needed for civilian use as the regime has claimed.

The Islamic Republic has not enriched uranium at the 90% "weapons-grade" level, but it has amassed a substantial stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, he said. That's about 90% of the work required to reach 90% purity, analysts say.
"That's really dangerous, so we can't have that," Mr. Witkoff

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/feb/22/steve-witkoff-white-house-envoy-iran-week-away-enough-enriched/

Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Your entire argument is an ad hominem. "You're either dumb or a racist". Yet you haven't articulated a strategic benefit to the untied states and more importantly its people that is worth risking WW3 to achieve. "Muh Russia and China" aren't reasons

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I didn't think stating the obvious was necessary, but yes, having a historically (pre-1970's) pro-western country go back to being so instead of allying militarily with Russia (who we are spending a lot of money to fight in Ukraine) and China and perhaps being an option for energy supplies to the EU, while also removing a state exporter of destabilizing Islamism to here, the UK, etc (AKA the whole of the west), seems like plenty of reason to be involved. "Risking WW3" is about as simpleton as it gets when talking about actually addressing serious global issues that do not get better if we do nothing. Thinking that we only have 2 options of either isolationism or WW3 is, in fact, either dumb or racist, depending on the reason for thinking it can only be one of those 2.

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Don't forget isolationism.

There's lots of that here, too...

jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

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Iran has done a good bit to destabilize the world economy with the export of terror.

They've also done things like disrupt traffic in the Persian Gulf themselves, which add to that disruption.

Getting rid of that disruptive force helps stabilize the world economy, which - since we're the biggest part of it - helps out OUR economy.

I guess the line to bomb Iran is a little backed up. Could this be a sign from above?

The USS Gerald R. Ford is literally drowning in its own shit right now. https://t.co/urwaVTvfsN pic.twitter.com/cNLZzIViOX

— Parody Jeff (@BackupJeffx) February 23, 2026

Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

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Iran has done a good bit to destabilize the world economy with the export of terror.

They've also done things like disrupt traffic in the Persian Gulf themselves, which add to that disruption.

Getting rid of that disruptive force helps stabilize the world economy, which - since we're the biggest part of it - helps out OUR economy.

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How much would you estimate that Iran's exportation of terror and the disruption of traffic has cost our country? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost us roughly $5 trillion. I wonder if we came out ahead compared to what their disruptive/destabilizing would have cost our economy? You have to make sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Iran is not a real threat to the US, so I'm not interested in wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. That's just my opinion. Maybe yours differs.

The USA will not be invading Iran. Look at a topic graphical map & you will understand why. We will pound the **** out of their leaders & their weapons stockpiles.

jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

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Iran has done a good bit to destabilize the world economy with the export of terror.

They've also done things like disrupt traffic in the Persian Gulf themselves, which add to that disruption.

Getting rid of that disruptive force helps stabilize the world economy, which - since we're the biggest part of it - helps out OUR economy.

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How much would you estimate that Iran's exportation of terror and the disruption of traffic has cost our country? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost us roughly $5 trillion. I wonder if we came out ahead compared to what their disruptive/destabilizing would have cost our economy? You have to make sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Iran is not a real threat to the US, so I'm not interested in wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. That's just my opinion. Maybe yours differs.

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A LARGE amount of money. Every time they attempt their bull****, global oil prices spike. So everyone's gas tank fill up costs more.

BTW...

Iran IS a real threat to the US and the US economy. Their actions disrupt the global economy, causing our economy to suffer.

I'm not sure why you don't understand this, but, then, I'm not an isolationist...

KentK93 said:

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The USA will not be invading Iran. Look at a topic graphical map & you will understand why. We will pound the **** out of their leaders & their weapons stockpiles.

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You're right. We would never send troops to the Middle East for decades. This time it will be different.

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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How do everyday Americans benefit?

Another question Israel was bombing Iran with impunity. While don't they do it again if Iran needs to be bombed? Why must we always be involved?

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We benefit by continuing to be the world powerhouse and being the country that is too big to fail. You mentioned our spending and debt problem, and I completely agree. But the only reason we haven't collapsed under the weight of it already is because every other country is worse, and they use us as the safe haven for their wealth and we are more stable. We either cut spending or grow out of our current spending issues. I would prefer we cut everything, but I keep being told that will never happen. So the only other option is to grow out of our debt problem. That means we have to do things globally, like deal with problem areas and try to make really big problems, like an Islamic regime in Iran, become not problems.

If you want us to be isolationist, then you voted for the wrong man, because that means weaning ourselves off of Keynesian economics, and Trump has always been on that bandwagon. So many of the same people here who decry global intervention insisted we vote in the very people who require it due to their economic liberalism. You can't have one without the other.

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So let me get this straight. In order to "grow" out of our debt problem, we need to bomb Iran. Got it. Makes sense. You should run foreign policy for the country.

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Iran has done a good bit to destabilize the world economy with the export of terror.

They've also done things like disrupt traffic in the Persian Gulf themselves, which add to that disruption.

Getting rid of that disruptive force helps stabilize the world economy, which - since we're the biggest part of it - helps out OUR economy.

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How much would you estimate that Iran's exportation of terror and the disruption of traffic has cost our country? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost us roughly $5 trillion. I wonder if we came out ahead compared to what their disruptive/destabilizing would have cost our economy? You have to make sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Iran is not a real threat to the US, so I'm not interested in wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. That's just my opinion. Maybe yours differs.

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A LARGE amount of money. Every time they attempt their bull****, global oil prices spike. So everyone's gas tank fill up costs more.

BTW...

Iran IS a real threat to the US and the US economy. Their actions disrupt the global economy, causing our economy to suffer.

I'm not sure why you don't understand this, but, then, I'm not an isolationist...

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I understand fine, I just don't agree with you or your reasoning. Let's see if the Bolton/Cheney policies work this time. Good day.

LMAO that "Iran is not a threat to the United States"

so in your obviously expert mind-

if Iran is not a threat to the USA- WHO IS?

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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annie88 said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Iran sucks.
They have always sucked and they will always suck.

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Canada sucks. Should we attack them? No Iranian ever called me hoser.

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I wasn't aware Canada was directly funding known terrorist organizations that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths including thousands of American deaths. Seems your comparison fails.
The Iranian Islamic fundamentalist radical leadership has openly declared for the elimination of Jews and Christian's.