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Don't love attacking Crazy Religious Zealots unnecessarily, we'll win a war with Iran quickly and the consequences will come later.

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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what hasnt? american intervention in the middle east to topple renegade governments? what planet are you from? We have pretty much never stopped trying to do this for the last 50 years.

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I assume you mean Iraq and Afghanistan (Central Asia), but Iran is a much different, much larger, stronger animal than those pisshole places were / are. I appreciate those who served there, but I believe this opportunity dwarfs anything we sought to accomplish in those actions (and others). Those felt like punching someone in the nose to get them to act right. This is we have had enough and you about to get knocked the F out.

That's how I see it.

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We invaded and occupied iraq for 20 years. Unless there's been mobilizations that arent in the news, this will be nowhere near the extent of what was done in iraq.

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What would he go to jail for? I see nothing in that article about this.

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Mamdani has indicated he would arrest Bibi for war crimes on his terrorist brethren the Palestines.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, desire to assassinate Trump, sending trained terrorists through Biden's "border", their nuclear program (heard of the 13th Imam?) , BRICS, their attacks on international shipping, their alignment with Russia, their shadow fleet, their promotion of regional instability as it affects energy production...

but mostly because Obama and Biden hate it.

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because Israel says to

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Antisemite!!!

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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WTF?

The Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the little war we had in Iraq twice.

Not to mention, all of this has led to the Islamization of Europe and huge migrant influxes to the West.

I don't think Trump and Hegseth are keen to through a bunch of boots on the ground to achieve their goals.

CrackerJackAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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WTF?

The Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the little war we had in Iraq twice.

Not to mention, all of this has led to the Islamization of Europe and huge migrant influxes to the West.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

YouBet said:

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What would he go to jail for? I see nothing in that article about this.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu

He's facing multiple prosecutions delayed because of Gaza war. Once he's out of power they likely will resume.

We are being drugged into another ME war because bibi trying to stay in power to avoid prison.

flown-the-coop said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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WTF?

The Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the little war we had in Iraq twice.

Not to mention, all of this has led to the Islamization of Europe and huge migrant influxes to the West.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

Trump is doing it for the same reason as he did Venezuela.

Just as Venezuela was the key cog to disruption in our hemisphere, Iran is a key cog to another area where we want to maintain some semblance of undisturbed power.

Replacing their leadership with one more friendly to the west, the Abraham accords, etc, further reduces potential problems to our foreign policy goals.

We're making a buildup highly visible to put pressure on Iran to play nice and quit killing their own civilians and trying to restart their nuke program again. You won't get results unless you are clearly ready to back up a threat.

i get why yall think its in our interest and I might be completely wrong to be concerned, but man, things just never seem to workout over there. Not when half our own population wants to facilitate the decline of the west.

And if it goes south young AMERICAN boys will go into the meat grinder while illegals and foreigners further populate and assume control over our country. Europe is a screaming example of what happens when you vaporize a generation on meaningless war.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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WTF?

The Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the little war we had in Iraq twice.

Not to mention, all of this has led to the Islamization of Europe and huge migrant influxes to the West.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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Dude who are you speaking for? We have spent trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives in the last 25 years doing the Forever War. And America has gained nothing. Are you speaking on behalf of Israel or what?

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I am the reincarnation of Epstein. Makes sense, doesn't it?

And where do you get hundreds of thousands of lives? And for comparison, it would take 5 GWOTs to equal one Korean War, regarding US deaths.

As I said, minor in comparison.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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And if it goes south young AMERICAN boys will go into the meat grinder while illegals and foreigners further populate and assume control over our country. Europe is a screaming example of what happens when you vaporize a generation on meaningless war.

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Also we're likely to get the added benefit of millions of refugees when we destabilize Iran and it starts coming apart. Will Israel take any?

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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you started by missing TWO ENTIRE THREADS devoted to Iran

one which has hundreds of replies and has been around for 2 months now.

you might start by educating yourself there.

to me this is as much to do about china as it does iran. the world is changing to a multi polar world and iran plays a key role/ bridge to that future. also look at their gaza plans. you can't have 100's of billions invested in gaza ane have thise buildings attacked by iran. in my personal opinion tbis is happening and it is happening now. this geopolitical play is similar to venezuela and greenland and the influence of the future game board of power.

flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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yeah i was there when the last generation tried to rebalance the middle east. Cant blame me for being skeptical.

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How old are you? Because this has not occurred in about 50 years. Curious as to your experience during that time.

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WTF?

The Arab Spring, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the little war we had in Iraq twice.

Not to mention, all of this has led to the Islamization of Europe and huge migrant influxes to the West.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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Dude who are you speaking for? We have spent trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives in the last 25 years doing the Forever War. And America has gained nothing. Are you speaking on behalf of Israel or what?

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I am the reincarnation of Epstein. Makes sense, doesn't it?

And where do you get hundreds of thousands of lives? And for comparison, it would take 5 GWOTs to equal one Korean War, regarding US deaths.

As I said, minor in comparison.

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What, are we doing "American death" comparisons now? Dude chill out and have some respect.

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?


You said we need to attack this muslim country because they are trying to get nukes. I pointed out the obvious problem of the influx of muslims to western counties created by previous interventions and the shifting demographics giving them power in countries that already have nukes.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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YouBet said:

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What would he go to jail for? I see nothing in that article about this.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu

He's facing multiple prosecutions delayed because of Gaza war. Once he's out of power they likely will resume.

We are being drugged into another ME war because bibi trying to stay in power to avoid prison.

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I'm certainly not going to dispute that Bibi is wanting us there for his personal reasons, but Iran certainly makes it easy for us to get involved with them on their own accord.

As just one example, running Hezbollah in VZ within our own hemisphere is not going to go unnoticed by a President who cares about maintaining buffer against our enemies on our side of the pond....thankfully.

So, many things can be true here at the same time. Both Bibi's personal motives and our larger, more strategic motives can run congruently.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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If youre talking about a crusade to retake the holy land, Im in. No interest in babylon.

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The Crusades never marched far enough east to reach Babylon (Iraq) let alone Persia (Iran). Also, Babylon was long gone by the time the Crusades happened. The land was called Mesopotamia at the time. /nerd

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?

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It took 25 years to go from 3% to 6%. By that rough math it would take 75 years for Muslims to become predominant. Yes you say I sound stupid?

Fear mongering is in regards to the concept of this is not in our interests, will have unintended consequences, will costs hundreds of thousands of young American lives and will not achieve a thing.

I do not believe that to be correct and there is plenty to indicate it will not. It's barely, poorly comparable to the GWOT.

And we are not doing this at the behest of Israel. And preemptively eliminating growing threats to ourselves and allies feels like peace and love to me.

Rex Racer said:

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This is the best opportunity to see the collapse of the Islamist government there since they took over in 1979. That would bring an end to their reign of terror throughout the region by ending their funding of proxy terrorists. I think it's just too good of an opportunity to pass up.

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Yep. Iran has been a massive problem for nearly 50 years after being a significant ally previously. They are the largest sponsor of terrorism by a mile and they won't stop. We have tried negotiation and bribes and containment but you can't do any of that with a fundamentalist group like who leads that country. If we can help the internal forces to change the regime and let Israel do a lot of the heavy lifting while we support where needed we should take that shot.

Realize as well that Iran is Shia and not Sunni and they are Persian not Arab. They are not allies with most of the countries in the Middle East who see them as rivals at best and heretics at worst. Saudi would be thrilled to see regime change in Iran as would most of the ME.

It's a very complex situation but Trump is literally looking at a chance to have regime change in Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba in short order. The benefits of that for the US are staggering if it comes to pass.

My only counter argument to this is that 6% is entirely too high.

Needs to be <1% at most and 0% on any future immigration for containment.

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?

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It took 25 years to go from 3% to 6%. By that rough math it would take 75 years for Muslims to become predominant. Yes you say I sound stupid?

Fear mongering is in regards to the concept of this is not in our interests, will have unintended consequences, will costs hundreds of thousands of young American lives and will not achieve a thing.

I do not believe that to be correct and there is plenty to indicate it will not. It's barely, poorly comparable to the GWOT.

And we are not doing this at the behest of Israel. And preemptively eliminating growing threats to ourselves and allies feels like peace and love to me.

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Now look at the average ages and whose having kids. Critical thinking of a toddler.

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My only counter argument to this is that 6% is entirely too high.

Needs to be <1% at most and 0% on any future immigration for containment.

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Even for 6% they have an outsized voice and representation, and I will agree that is absolutely a problem.

Another issue is that they have done the same as we have. What started as importing some of the best and brightest turned into importing the cast-offs, refugees and unvetted actors from some of the most anti-American places on earth (anti-English for the Brits).

But the most important missing piece is that we stopped forcing assimilation of immigrants. We went from a melting pot to a rocky stew of minority interests.

Maybe for back to Dairy Queen and get your some ice cream to gnaw on before saying others think like toddlers.

I gave you actual numbers, you troll with your islamphobic feelz. But only one of us is discussing the issue, and it aint you.