Former US General arrested for training Chinese pilots

5,737 Views | 85 Replies | Last: 7 days ago by Hey Nav
Queso1
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
6:45a, 2/26/26
AG
https://nypost.com/2026/02/25/us-news/elite-ex-us-air-force-fighter-jet-pilot-charged-with-providing-defense-services-to-the-chinese-military/

Even if legal, which it doesn't appear to be, this seems like a morally questionable decision.


Edit: One article had him listed as a Major General. Appears to be a Major.
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
Reply Quote
12
1 edit
Highway6
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
6:47a, 2/26/26
AG
I'm sure he was paid well
Reply Quote
7
FTAG 2000
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:01a, 2/26/26
AG
Hang him. Today.
Reply Quote
56
stetson
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:02a, 2/26/26
AG
China Is an enemy of the United States. Any General would know that. Traitor.
Reply Quote
69
BQ78
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Queso1 • 7:02a, 2/26/26
AG
It's not legal and if he was collecting retirement pay, as I am sure he was, he knew.
Reply Quote
23
BBRex
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:04a, 2/26/26
AG
Arrest this guy and throw the book at him for aiding China. But it still isn't as much of a threat to national security as moving all of our manufacturing there.
Reply Quote
19
torrid
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to FTAG 2000 • 7:06a, 2/26/26
AG
FTAG 2000 said:
Hang him. Today.

Him and Gu Ailing.
Reply Quote
18
Jock 07
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:09a, 2/26/26
AG
Where are you seeing he was a Gen? All I'm seeing was that he was a Maj.
Reply Quote
3
The Collective
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:10a, 2/26/26
AG
You can't sell the Chinese military a toilet seat without approval.
Reply Quote
7
BQ78
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Jock 07 • 7:13a, 2/26/26
AG
Correct with 24 years, so unless he was prior enlisted, calling him "elite" is dubious
Reply Quote
7
The Collective
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:13a, 2/26/26
AG
Quote:
"Now…. I have the chance to fly and instruct fighter pilots again!" Brown allegedly wrote in a message to his co-conspirator when he arrived in China in December 2023.


Ego over service and mission.
Reply Quote
7
94chem
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to The Collective • 7:13a, 2/26/26
The Collective said:
You can't sell the Chinese military a toilet seat without approval.


Like they would know what to do with it anyway...
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Reply Quote
6
Queso1
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Jock 07 • 7:21a, 2/26/26
AG
Jock 07 said:
Where are you seeing he was a Gen? All I'm seeing was that he was a Maj.


One tweet i saw, which I didn't want to link said he was a Major General, but I think he's just a Major. My bad.
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
Reply Quote
1
TriAg2010
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:21a, 2/26/26
AG
Some British pilots were caught doing the same thing not long ago. It defies comprehension. Permanently remove from society.
Reply Quote
4
NeverSeenEmWin
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:28a, 2/26/26
Yep, hang him. Still curious though how he could have retired at major with 24 years- in 1996 no less- and still have much of use to PLAAF. Hopefully we can learn more about this deal while he spends the rest of his life in prison.

And he's clearly not a general. Some of you would benefit from reading the article before gracing everyone with your analysis.
Reply Quote
3
nortex97
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BQ78 • 7:38a, 2/26/26
AG
BQ78 said:
Correct with 24 years, so unless he was prior enlisted, calling him "elite" is dubious

He had a unique skill set in particular the CCP wanted to purchase:
Quote:
Gerald Eddie Brown Jr. Call sign "Runner." 65 years old. 24 years in the Air Force. Flew the F-4, F-15, F-16, A-10. Commanded units responsible for nuclear weapons delivery. After retiring in 1996, he became a contract simulator instructor training American pilots to fly the F-35 Lightning II.

In August 2023, he started negotiating to train PLAAF pilots. His intermediary connected him to the network of Stephen Su Bin, a Chinese national who pleaded guilty in 2016 to conspiring with PLA hackers to steal 65 gigabytes of classified data from Boeing and major defense contractors. The targets: the C-17, the F-22, and the F-35.

Read that again.

The same network that stole the F-35's blueprints then recruited the man who trained Americans to fly it, and sent him to Beijing to teach Chinese pilots how to fight against it.

First steal the machine. Then acquire the mind of the instructor.

Brown arrived in China in December 2023. Day one: three hours answering questions about the U.S. Air Force. Day two: a personal briefing to PLAAF officers. He stayed for twenty-six months. He only returned to U.S. soil in February 2026 and was arrested yesterday in Jeffersonville, Indiana.



More on the espionage program they ran on the F-35/Stephen Su Bin here. It's all pretty infuriating, warning.
Reply Quote
4
EFR
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to NeverSeenEmWin • 7:40a, 2/26/26
Reply Quote
1 edit
Teslag
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:41a, 2/26/26
AG
He literally should be executed
Reply Quote
36
Tony Franklins Other Shoe
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:43a, 2/26/26
AG
I'm no expert on treason and hanging, but I would really like that pursued to the utmost amount.

Person Not Capable of Pregnancy
Reply Quote
5
torrid
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:43a, 2/26/26
AG
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?
Reply Quote
4
infinity ag
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:49a, 2/26/26
All it matters for people is making short term money. Country and future generations be damned. Happens everywhere.
Reply Quote
1
AG75FYL
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:53a, 2/26/26
Hang his ass today.
Reply Quote
5
AgNav93
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to NeverSeenEmWin • 7:57a, 2/26/26
AG
NeverSeenEmWin said:
Yep, hang him. Still curious though how he could have retired at major with 24 years- in 1996 no less- and still have much of use to PLAAF. Hopefully we can learn more about this deal while he spends the rest of his life in prison.

And he's clearly not a general. Some of you would benefit from reading the article before gracing everyone with your analysis.

When I was in Majors who rated as pilots or navs could be extended to 26 years max.
Reply Quote
1 edit
HTownAg98
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:59a, 2/26/26
It would be the ultimate CIA plot to send a trainer over there to teach them bad tactics.
Reply Quote
4
CanyonAg77
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to torrid • 8:02a, 2/26/26
AG
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

He probably spent 12 years as an officer, resigned, then spent the next 12 as a contractor, runnimg a simulator
Reply Quote
4
torrid
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to CanyonAg77 • 8:04a, 2/26/26
AG
CanyonAg77 said:
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

He probably spent 12 years as an officer, resigned, then spent the next 12 as a contractor, runnimg a simulator

That makes sense, or he was one hell of a prodigy child pilot.
Reply Quote
2
Pooh-ah95_ESL
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to HTownAg98 • 8:04a, 2/26/26
AG
HTownAg98 said:
It would be the ultimate CIA plot to send a trainer over there to teach them bad tactics.


That's exactly where my mind was going.
Reply Quote
2
Rapier108
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to torrid • 8:04a, 2/26/26
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

Probably worked for the Air Force as a civilian after retiring from active duty.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Reply Quote
BQ78
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to nortex97 • 8:13a, 2/26/26
AG
Hot shot pilots get promoted to more than major after 24 years. Article says he was a commander too, of what? A flight?
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
Tony Franklins Other Shoe
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to HTownAg98 • 8:31a, 2/26/26
AG
HTownAg98 said:
It would be the ultimate CIA plot to send a trainer over there to teach them bad tactics.

Long term Mossad pager play?

Person Not Capable of Pregnancy
Reply Quote
2
HollywoodBQ
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to HTownAg98 • 8:32a, 2/26/26
AG
HTownAg98 said:
It would be the ultimate CIA plot to send a trainer over there to teach them bad tactics.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

It could be a good thing.

He might have been explaining to stay above the hard deck and don't be like Maverick.

Or, stressing the importance of playing volleyball with your shirts off.
Reply Quote
3
nortex97
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BQ78 • 8:37a, 2/26/26
AG
BQ78 said:
Hot shot pilots get promoted to more than major after 24 years. Article says he was a commander too, of what? A flight?

I dunno. Presumably a company-grade command as he flew A-10's etc. The point is that after his retirement from USAF he became a contract instructor on the F-35 simulator, which presumably is a job a lot of tacair pilots would want.

I won't defend him as some sort of 'The right stuff' John Glenn super pilot (and honestly don't know much about him), but he had unique expertise in many respects as to doctrine and training they wanted to tap into, and paid for.
Reply Quote
1
Rex Racer
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to torrid • 8:38a, 2/26/26
AG
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

He joined the Air Force at 11 years of age?
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
flown-the-coop
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Rex Racer • 8:40a, 2/26/26
AG
Rex Racer said:
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

He joined the Air Force at 11 year of age?

People had to grow up faster in olden times. My dad taught me that.
Reply Quote
5
BTKAG97
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to torrid • 8:49a, 2/26/26
AG
torrid said:
65 years old, 24 years in the Air Force, retired in 1996. Am I missing something here?

He was in the Airforce from the age 11 to 35.

What do you think you are missing?
Reply Quote
1
2 edits
Last Page
Page 1 of 3 ▼
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.