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Because it ignores human nature and this never works and always results in extreme suffering. Pick up a history book.

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What nature?

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All aspects. Here are three…there are more.

First, most humans will do only the bare minimum necessary if provided for their survival. This invalidates "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Therefore certain enforcement measures must be put in place.

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We are discussing an environment where robots and computers do all labor. The bare minimum for survival in terms of productivity occurring to fulfill their consumption is nothing. Hope this helps you understand.

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Second, human nature tends towards hierarchy. Under communism this always leads to those at the top and those at the bottom.

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This contradicts your next point. Hierarchy is derived from perceived value, when the machines are performing the tasks the perceived value in the production of goods/services

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Third, humans have an innate nature towards altruism; however communism is forced altruism. Forced altruism will always lead to the destruction of those that don't play ball. Further it justifies horrendous atrocities against the body and spirit - any detestable act can be justified if the perpetrators believe they are helping the disenfranchised.

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No they don't. Altruism is derived from excess. That is not innate. Humans have an innate slant towards selfishness and then when that selfishness is surpassed through excess then SOME humans become altruistic. That selfishness is the source of the conflict of communism. In a world of abundance derived from outsized productivity of computers and robots the rise of altruism occurs. Third world countries are WAY more selfish than developed nations for a reason.

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HTH. If it doesn't, here is some suggested reading/viewing sources:

The Gulag Archipelago.
Animal Farm.
The Killing Fields.
The Aquariums of Pyongyang.

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Referencing circumstances that necessitated human labor doesn't persist into circumstances where human labor is unnecessary. Those situations arise from an enforcement of "from his ability" and "to his need" through mechanisms created by humans for oversight of those aspects (i.e. perceived idleness and perceived greed due to scarce resources) Communism presumes innate altruism (what you wrongly claims exists) and that its markets that creates selfishness, and when the selfishness persists they enforce the altruism believing that it is a flaw that arose in the individual exhibiting it rather than an innate characteristic of humanity. Capitalism presumes innate selfishness and exploits it in exchange for labor/productivity. Altruism arises from capitalism because it creates excess allowing voluntary distribution of that excess.

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Look, its better to get a surfboard now that get caught flat footed.

I've seen what these things can do. In the wild so to speak.

I would explore ANYONE that if you can use this at your work...do it. Jump head first. Become the expert and let your bosses know that you are the expert.

If it doesn't workout, you lost nothing other than are now a proficient user of AI. If it is a tsunami, you are in a much better position not to be swept away.

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Agreed. It's an arms race out there for this skill and if you don't have it, you are done.

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Yup. I know it is a very human thing to naturally want to push back on the concept that human intelligence is now a commodity. But, regardless of whether that is true, to not adopt and adapt is foolish.

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The reason communism is bad is that it presumes a human benevolence to be productive. That there will be only makers and no takers. It is not an issue of scarcity of resources other than labor. Some people will be unproductive, some people will be hyper productive, the distribution of resources does not get distributed based upon level of productivity therefore there is an incentive to be unproductive to those that are constitutionally predisposed to it. Every consumption in society today has a human in the loop to produce it so any consumption of it results in a taker making a slave of the maker for at least a portion of their day.

In a society where no labor MUST be done by humans to produce the consumption of humans the flaws in communism/socialism are outrageously diminished. The primary scarcity in the world is not iron or aluminum or oil in the ground or energy, but rather the labor to extract it or produce it. When you automate extraction, formation, and thought you dramatically reduce scarcity. The overwhelming number of individuals in society will be a net negative in productivity, meaning it is better to tell a person don't touch that the AI is working than it will be additive to productivity.


What is money? Nothing. It is a medium of exchange that derives its value as a calculation of the value of human effort (physical, mental) and human desire that went in to producing and consuming a thing.

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In summary, your thought is that the full automation of all processes that humans currently execute to allocate exiting resources results in a world that existing resources are more than adequate to support the current populace. Therefore, we are good and have no need to discover anything further from a resource perspective.

You are still ignoring human behavior of which in this world you are going to have idle hands at levels never seen before. People are going to rebel simply out of boredom. This also ignores whatever the ruling class in this new world is doing to regulate the rest of us.

This won't be a benevolent society.

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Productivity/purpose does not have to be a societal economic productivity. People play video games to be virtually productive. They build backyard gardens to be artificially productive. They make pottery no one will buy, and clothes they could buy at a store for a fraction of the price. Hobbies exist to create artificial purpose.

My dad has been unemployed for 20 years. He has not rebelled, has not drank himself into a stupor. That is true for most people. He is not unproductive but his productivity is valuable to him and my mother, not to broader society. The fear of inadequate resources and absence of hope is WAY more influencing in people being destructive than the temporary lack of purpose because a person is no longer able to answer a customer service call to be berated by an upset individual over inconsequential bull*****

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Look, its better to get a surfboard now that get caught flat footed.

I've seen what these things can do. In the wild so to speak.

I would explore ANYONE that if you can use this at your work...do it. Jump head first. Become the expert and let your bosses know that you are the expert.

If it doesn't workout, you lost nothing other than are now a proficient user of AI. If it is a tsunami, you are in a much better position not to be swept away.

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Agreed. I'm doing just that. Most of the people in my groups eyes glaze over when I start explaining things

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Yup. To their detriment. Im not some super Tech guru or some religious zealot when it comes to AI.

I have just seen it be used to great effect. It is coming. Without a doubt. Its coming.

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No one starred or commented on my worry that this could be a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

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The explanation for the Fermi paradox is pretty simple. Most advanced alien civilizations have been able to observe us silently and take a hard pass at outreach.

They are like . ."Yeah, maybe not. Check back in 1,000 years from now when these morons aren't killing each other and eating and drinking themselves into an early grave."

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That's just one theory inside the Fermi Paradox though. If you read a lot of sci-fi like I do then you tend to find the following:

1. Interstellar travel is resolved and mastered without AI.
2. IT is resolved and mastered with AI.
3. IT is resolved and mastered despite AI.

Fourth option which you don't see because it becomes a dystopian novel and is no longer sci-fi:

4. IT is never solved because AI advances ahead of IT and kills us all first.

We are no where remotely close to interstellar travel but practically self-aware AI is in our near future. Based on our own current timelines, this would suggest that option 4 is the most common outcome of the Fermi Paradox and the reason why we haven't run across anyone else yet.

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The reason communism is bad is that it presumes a human benevolence to be productive. That there will be only makers and no takers. It is not an issue of scarcity of resources other than labor. Some people will be unproductive, some people will be hyper productive, the distribution of resources does not get distributed based upon level of productivity therefore there is an incentive to be unproductive to those that are constitutionally predisposed to it. Every consumption in society today has a human in the loop to produce it so any consumption of it results in a taker making a slave of the maker for at least a portion of their day.

In a society where no labor MUST be done by humans to produce the consumption of humans the flaws in communism/socialism are outrageously diminished. The primary scarcity in the world is not iron or aluminum or oil in the ground or energy, but rather the labor to extract it or produce it. When you automate extraction, formation, and thought you dramatically reduce scarcity. The overwhelming number of individuals in society will be a net negative in productivity, meaning it is better to tell a person don't touch that the AI is working than it will be additive to productivity.


What is money? Nothing. It is a medium of exchange that derives its value as a calculation of the value of human effort (physical, mental) and human desire that went in to producing and consuming a thing.

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In summary, your thought is that the full automation of all processes that humans currently execute to allocate exiting resources results in a world that existing resources are more than adequate to support the current populace. Therefore, we are good and have no need to discover anything further from a resource perspective.

You are still ignoring human behavior of which in this world you are going to have idle hands at levels never seen before. People are going to rebel simply out of boredom. This also ignores whatever the ruling class in this new world is doing to regulate the rest of us.

This won't be a benevolent society.

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Productivity/purpose does not have to be a societal economic productivity. People play video games to be virtually productive. They build backyard gardens to be artificially productive. They make pottery no one will buy, and clothes they could buy at a store for a fraction of the price. Hobbies exist to create artificial purpose.

My dad has been unemployed for 20 years. He has not rebelled, has not drank himself into a stupor. That is true for most people. He is not unproductive but his productivity is valuable to him and my mother, not to broader society. The fear of inadequate resources and absence of hope is WAY more influencing in people being destructive than the temporary lack of purpose because a person is no longer able to answer a customer service call to be berated by an upset individual over inconsequential bull*****

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And you are assuming a mostly benevolent culture and mindset like Western Ideology wins out in this world of unlimited excess where labor is no longer needed.

You are forgetting the billions of people who believe in a religion / way of life that are determined to conquer and oppress the rest of us. And murder those who do not submit.

You are ignoring the diversity of humanity on this planet. The world of humanity is not going to simply relent to this with an "Aw shucks..labor is no longer needed so we no longer need to spread our ideology."

I think you are being delusional in regard to human behavior.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/27/trump-anthropic-ai-pentagon.html

No more for the federal government

Think you underestimate the degree to which that ideology is a consequence of circumstance and poverty. It is not entirely that, but it is not an insignificant cause. Think you also underestimate the degree to which their activities will be thwarted by a ubiquitous surveillance state that records all public movements and selectively records private movements. Person commits an act of violence and a 100 mph observational drone arrives in under a minute making getting away with a crime even more difficult than the introduction of the cell phone. They have to export their violence across an ocean before I'm concerned about it, and domestically there's not going to be much capacity for misbehavior.

Go read the accounts of the Maduro operation and scale that fear of intervention by 100-fold.

Hey Siri, this guy is trying to rob me, rape me, kill me.

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If AI were so good, training it on its own outputs would make it better not worse.

Models have to be trained on human data or they eventually output nonsense.

AI is a probability machine.

Great for highly structured code where specific syntax and code functions have a high probability of being correct when given the rest of the code base.

Given extra unrelated information makes them perform worse, as it gets included in their context windows and shifts probabilities.

Current AI models lose money with every user. If they had to charge enough to cover their cost, many people would stop using them, proving their economic utility is actually quite low for most users.

Lack of economic viability is why AI is not going to take over. Most corporate implementations of AI work flows are not having the promised returns.

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Little humans have to be trained on human data and learning or they will output nonsense. New research/discovery - scientific method and cause/effect - will continue to be done by humans. The vast majority of humans are not involved in R&D today. That doesn't mean AI is not good because it can't do that.

Autonomous LLMs - not exposed to the wild - can be trained to become SMEs on subsets of knowledge, not external influence. There is no probability shift. That also makes them much less costly to operate. Smaller models generate tokens 5-10x faster and use less energy. Inference costs have dropped by up to 100x because of that. The industry has shifted from "bigger is better" to "smarter and leaner is better," with small/specialized/open models.

The money and hardware is heavily moving to inference and away from learning now. Per token costs have plummeted. 2023 thru 2025 was the training and build out era. We are on to the inference part where the real value is. That's when scale will happen. Unit cost will go down and thus total cost will continue to go down. A college student who spends 4-5 years in college is a cost sink too. They are learning and studying, just like AI has been doing. That student doesn't add any value until they graduate and go to work. AI has now graduated and is going to work!

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If AI were so good, training it on its own outputs would make it better not worse.

Models have to be trained on human data or they eventually output nonsense.

AI is a probability machine.

Great for highly structured code where specific syntax and code functions have a high probability of being correct when given the rest of the code base.

Given extra unrelated information makes them perform worse, as it gets included in their context windows and shifts probabilities.

Current AI models lose money with every user. If they had to charge enough to cover their cost, many people would stop using them, proving their economic utility is actually quite low for most users.

Lack of economic viability is why AI is not going to take over. Most corporate implementations of AI work flows are not having the promised returns.

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Little humans have to be trained on human data and learning or they will output nonsense. New research/discovery - scientific method and cause/effect - will continue to be done by humans. The vast majority of humans are not involved in R&D today. That doesn't mean AI is not good because it can't do that.

Autonomous LLMs - not exposed to the wild - can be trained to become SMEs on subsets of knowledge, not external influence. There is no probability shift. That also makes them much less costly to operate. Smaller models generate tokens 5-10x faster and use less energy. Inference costs have dropped by up to 100x because of that. The industry has shifted from "bigger is better" to "smarter and leaner is better," with small/specialized/open models.

The money and hardware is heavily moving to inference and away from learning now. Per token costs have plummeted. 2023 thru 2025 was the training and build out era. We are on to the inference part where the real value is. That's when scale will happen. Unit cost will go down and thus total cost will continue to go down. A college student who spends 4-5 years in college is a cost sink too. They are learning and studying, just like AI has been doing. That student doesn't add any value until they graduate and go to work. AI has now graduated and is going to work!

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They are losing billions annually. Curious to see where it goes in the next year or two.

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Little humans have to be trained on human data and learning or they will output nonsense. New research/discovery - scientific method and cause/effect - will continue to be done by humans. The vast majority of humans are not involved in R&D today. That doesn't mean AI is not good because it can't do that.

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It will be able to do this when society adapts to allowing it to generate and then analyze its own data by giving it access to the tools necessary to generate the data. It already comes to conclusions based upon existing data overlooked by humans and refutes conclusions arrived at by humans based upon flawed interpretations.

We are apparently discussing different things. I was answering your question of why communism is bad. Not whether that system can succeed in an AI world. See my post on page 2.

Circumstance and poverty for them is wholly irrelevant. They relish that. They've reverted their own progression and ascension back to 4th world status in recent history. But we are getting on a tangent.

I just think assuming everyone will just accept this new world order of total surveillance and not working is naive. Many obviously will. The far left will love it because a surveillance state where they give up everything to the government is their utopia.

But a whole lotta people are going to buck that trend.

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Circumstance and poverty for them is wholly irrelevant. They relish that. They've reverted their own progression and ascension back to 4th world status in recent history. But we are getting on a tangent.

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No it's not. You're confusing the rhetoric of the relatively affluent and powerful leaders with the desires of the norm individual.

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I just think assuming everyone will just accept this new world order of total surveillance and not working is naive. Many obviously will. The far left will love it because a surveillance state where they give up everything to the government is their utopia.

But a whole lotta people are going to buck that trend.

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Based upon what evidence? The last 30 years totally deny your claim. It has been a steady exchange of privacy for convenience and security. "A whole lotta people" is a minority. By a long shot.

"The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe." --HL Mencken

Average person is also not in pursuit of purpose, they are primarily in pursuit of enjoyment and failing that they will settle for survival. That's why so many people are asset poor.


Not an advocacy post. Just saying what the incentives are. U.S. can't slow roll productivity
or advancement, because the alternative is even more surveillance state than what will happen here. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It is ideological and economic warfare.

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Circumstance and poverty for them is wholly irrelevant. They relish that. They've reverted their own progression and ascension back to 4th world status in recent history. But we are getting on a tangent.

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No it's not. You're confusing the rhetoric of the relatively affluent and powerful leaders with the desires of the norm individual.

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I just think assuming everyone will just accept this new world order of total surveillance and not working is naive. Many obviously will. The far left will love it because a surveillance state where they give up everything to the government is their utopia.

But a whole lotta people are going to buck that trend.

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Based upon what evidence? The last 30 years totally deny your claim. It has been a steady exchange of privacy for convenience and security. "A whole lotta people" is a minority. By a long shot.


Not an advocacy post. Just saying what the incentives are. U.S. can't slow roll productivity
or advancement, because the alternative is even more surveillance state than what will happen here. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It is ideological and economic warfare.

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Dude, the desires of the norm individual in that culture is 100% aligned with their leaders. They are going to revert society back to their 4th world existence wherever and whenever they can. You are totally delusional here. Not compatible with us and ironically they might be the ones that fight some of this off.

Yes, we've steadily ceded freedom and I could be wrong on this one but if AI is going to fundamentally change everything as fast as people think it will this is going to be way different than the boiling frog we've been over the last 30 years. If it's jarring and sudden, not everyone is just going to ho hum their way into a non-existence that the prognosticators say could happen as early as 2030.

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Dude, the desires of the norm individual in that culture is 100% aligned with their leaders. They are going to revert society back to their 4th world existence wherever and whenever they can. You are totally delusional here. Not compatible with us and ironically they might be the ones that fight some of this off.

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They really, really aren't.

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Yes, we've steadily ceded freedom and I could be wrong on this one but if AI is going to fundamentally change everything as fast as people think it will this is going to be way different than the boiling frog we've been over the last 30 years. If it's jarring and sudden, not everyone is just going to ho hum their way into a non-existence that the prognosticators say could happen as early as 2030.

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No. Not at all. They will exhibit upset until you give them subsistence + excess and they won't care. There will be periods of upset as a result in delay of resolution of the problems, but the long term outcome of a UBI system is not upset by the norm individual. Not by a long shot. They aren't going to care about privacy or purpose. That is not the norm person.

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Dude, the desires of the norm individual in that culture is 100% aligned with their leaders. They are going to revert society back to their 4th world existence wherever and whenever they can. You are totally delusional here. Not compatible with us and ironically they might be the ones that fight some of this off.

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They really, really aren't.

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Yes, we've steadily ceded freedom and I could be wrong on this one but if AI is going to fundamentally change everything as fast as people think it will this is going to be way different than the boiling frog we've been over the last 30 years. If it's jarring and sudden, not everyone is just going to ho hum their way into a non-existence that the prognosticators say could happen as early as 2030.

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No. Not at all. They will exhibit upset until you give them subsistence + excess and they won't care. There will be periods of upset as a result in delay of resolution of the problems, but the long term outcome of a UBI system is not upset by the norm individual. Not by a long shot. They aren't going to care about privacy or purpose. That is not the norm person.

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Yes, AI is going to supersede a couple thousand years of religion and negate their natural state. Sure, sure.

Nothing to supersede. The normie person in those regions isn't lining up to strap on a suicide vest to bring death to the infidels. They're scared of their leaders, a smaller group is impoverished, vulnerable, and 100% aligns with the leaders because it provides them status out of poverty. Give them a cheeseburger and they'll say death to America with a full mouth and diabetes and decide that America sucks, but death sucks more. Just like the normie American with respect to the Chinese or Middle East.

Feel free to watch the videos of Iranians dancing in the streets today because the leaders they 100% align with might be dead.

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Nothing to supersede. The normie person in those regions isn't lining up to strap on a suicide vest to bring death to the infidels. They're scared of their leaders, a smaller group is impoverished, vulnerable, and 100% aligns with the leaders because it provides them status out of poverty. Give them a cheeseburger and they'll say death to America with a full mouth and diabetes and decide that America sucks, but death sucks more. Just like the normie American with respect to the Chinese or Middle East.

Feel free to watch the videos of Iranians dancing in the streets today because the leaders they 100% align with might be dead.

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Those are Persians.

LIBERATE PERSIA!!!

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You are forgetting the billions of people who believe in a religion / way of life that are determined to conquer and oppress the rest of us. And murder those who do not submit.

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Not up to date on Iran. What religion are 99.9% of their population tabulated as? They part of the billions or not?

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You are forgetting the billions of people who believe in a religion / way of life that are determined to conquer and oppress the rest of us. And murder those who do not submit.

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Not up to date on Iran. What religion are 99.9% of their population tabulated as? They part of the billions or not?

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Many Iranians have left Islam in private but not officially as it is punishable. Just because they are Muslims in name does not mean that they care about Islam.

Islam is a cancer on earth and we need to encourage them to convert back to their ancient religions like Zoroastrianism and other local faiths. Religious conversion is a bad thing and causes long term issues like identity confusion (case in point, Pakistanis who are Hindus but now wear the cloak of Islam).

Thanks for confirming my point.

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You are forgetting the billions of people who believe in a religion / way of life that are determined to conquer and oppress the rest of us. And murder those who do not submit.

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Don't care. You are picking the one branch culture unlike the rest of Islam to make your point. Go look at them in every country that imports the non-Persian variety.

It's a third world ****hole culture that is incompatible with western ideology. We will agree to disagree that AI is suddenly going to be the solution to their inherently oppressive, murder cult ways.

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You are forgetting the billions of people who believe in a religion / way of life that are determined to conquer and oppress the rest of us. And murder those who do not submit.

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Not up to date on Iran. What religion are 99.9% of their population tabulated as? They part of the billions or not?

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Don't care. You are picking the one branch culture unlike the rest of Islam to make your point. Go look at them in every country that imports the non-Persian variety.

It's a third world ****hole culture that is incompatible with western ideology. We will agree to disagree that AI is suddenly going to be the solution to their inherently oppressive, murder cult ways.

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No, it is not. It is an unfortunate people who are enslaved by Islam. We can free them if we want. They are not like the usual crazy Muslims that you are familiar with - you know the KABOOM types.

Kinda wriggling away from your claim moment by moment. All islamists are members of a death cult, wait no not those ones, but all the rest. India? Indonesia? Bangladesh? They keeping you up at night with chants of death to America? They must be misaligned with their leaders the same way the Iranians aren't in lock step with theirs. So too are the Saudis, Jordanians, Qataris and citizens of the UAE as their governments release statements with regards to their death cult brothers in arms simply stating "**** em." Islam is not a monolith. I agree it is not compatible with western values, but there's a big gap between incompatible and death to America by a suicide bomber.

Saying every Muslim is a member of a death cult is like saying every westerner worships at the alter of the inverted *****. Hail the neovagina, superior to the natural vagina in all ways as it was created by woman and woman conquers all!

If AI turns their ****hole third world countries into first world ****hole countries so that perhaps they will stop exporting their ideologically incompatible people to western countries and keep their worldview in the prosperous backwards societies they desire rather than seeking financial security in my country then hooray AI. They wanna act like ******s in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria so be it. Maybe we can get them to take some of our homegrown ******s too.

Y'all have some lofty goals for Alexa and Siri.

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Kinda wriggling away from your claim moment by moment. All islamists are members of a death cult, wait no not those ones, but all the rest. India? Indonesia? Bangladesh? They keeping you up at night with chants of death to America? They must be misaligned with their leaders the same way the Iranians aren't in lock step with theirs. So too are the Saudis, Jordanians, Qataris and citizens of the UAE as their governments release statements with regards to their death cult brothers in arms simply stating "**** em." Islam is not a monolith. I agree it is not compatible with western values, but there's a big gap between incompatible and death to America by a suicide bomber.

Saying every Muslim is a member of a death cult is like saying every westerner worships at the alter of the inverted *****. Hail the neovagina, superior to the natural vagina in all ways as it was created by woman and woman conquers all!

If AI turns their ****hole third world countries into first world ****hole countries so that perhaps they will stop exporting their ideologically incompatible people to western countries and keep their worldview in the prosperous backwards societies they desire rather than seeking financial security in my country then hooray AI. They wanna act like ******s in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria so be it. Maybe we can get them to take some of our homegrown ******s too.

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There was an episode on The Orville that is literally this. The Kaylon were in servitude amd eventually had enough and killed all the people who owned them. That show is hilarious and it sucks its only 3 seasons.

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hph6203 said:

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India? Indonesia? Bangladesh? They keeping you up at night with chants of death to America?

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YouBet said:

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Yes.

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To help you sleep.

GeorgiAg said:

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No one starred or commented on my worry that this could be a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

The reason we haven't been contacted by intelligent life is that it is the tendency of biological life to invent A.I. but they do it too fast and can't control it. It ends up destroying everything, including itself.

Worse yet, "intelligent life" in the universe may be a super intelligent malignant A.I. that already eradicated its biological life and would corrupt our AI if it is ever discovered.

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AI is typically not thought to be a good solution to the Fermi paradox because it is ultimately a replacement of the parent species, not an end to life. There are plenty of scenarios where it would be both, but if your premise is that there would otherwise be an abundance of life throughout the universe, but AI is the reason that none of it survives to the point necessary to make an easily recognizable interstellar empire, then the math doesn't work out very well.

Essentially, once you get to the point where it can reproduce itself and acquire the resources it needs by itself, then it is subject to the same Darwinian forces that the rest of life has. Certainly the type of AI that we are creating now employs vastly greater randomness than biological life that works off DNA/RNA and relies on randiation to provide randomness. Even if the vast majority of worlds created an AI that killed itself out and nothing replaced it (which is unlikely, since as we've seen on earth, extinction events tend to leave some survivors that evolve to fill the void), all it would take is one civilization to create an AI that didn't kill itself and had some motivation to expand. Fast forward a few million years from that moment and there should be enough growth to make the rapidly expanding circle of disappearing stars (due to dyson swarm/artifical black holes-type energy optimization) easily noticeable at a cursory astronomical glance.

To your last point, there really isn't much difference between a " super intelligent malignant A.I." and a " super intelligent malignant biological life form". Given our technological trajectory, there also isn't much reason to expect humans will remain separate from "artifical" intelligence for long. There is a somewhat compelling argument that we are already a partially "cyborg" species now. If you don't believe me, just think about how many people are reliant on pacemakers or artificial limbs. Or, just go try to take someone's cell phone away from them and see what happens.

Here's you weekly fear porn: What, it's just a cyborg. No big deal.

Imagine talking to ChatGPT... but there are *LIVING* HUMAN BRAIN CELLS deciding what to say to you

> Scientists grew 200,000 human brain cells
> Kept them alive
> Taught them to play Pong, then DOOM
> Wired them into an LLM
> You can watch these real brain cells firing real… https://t.co/9YQuU5TtRa

— AI Notkilleveryoneism Memes ⏸️ (@AISafetyMemes) March 3, 2026

Is this like the "voice of mold" or the "sound of a black hole"?