Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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The more iran tries and control flow through the strait, the more likely the world bypasses it altogether.

Some volume will be sent via other countries- the usa, Venezuela, russia

Middle East countries will likely create new pathways. I dont see them being beholden to a crazed neighbor wishing to use the strait as leverage
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Im Gipper said:

Tell us again how little you care. We believe you.


Sometimes bringing the peace requires a big stick. Pick up a history book once in a while.


The Israelis are clearly the "good guys" over the Muslim terrorist scum they are surrounded by.



Who provided chemical weapons and military aid to Iraq during their 8 year war with Iran?

Hint: the primary envoy was a former US Sec Defense

Do you think that might have a small reason that the Iranians chat "death to America"??

There are no good guys in this......quit trying to claim a moral high ground.

I know personally numerous Iranians that are in favor of our current involvement, they are Persians and Kurdish. One in particular is a survivor of the war with Iraq, he knows the U.S. backed Iraq and still supports our efforts and Israeli efforts.
Of the seniors in his class he is the only survivor. He still has relatives in Iran and has not heard from them, and he supports the efforts to destroy the Mullahs.
The chants of death to American predates this and any other conflicts. The leaders of the Iranian death cult have spewed their hatred from day one of their seizure of power during President Carter's administration,
I can't believe anyone to this day cannot understand the meaning of Jihad and their desire for genocide of ALL nonbelievers.
Look at the orators in our republics; as long as they are poor, both state and people can only praise their uprightness; but once they are fattened on the public funds, they conceive a hatred for justice, plan intrigues against the people and attack the democracy.
-Aristophanes
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Trump needs to let his team do their job.
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TRM said:




One day after AGAIN !
Is there an exit strategy that Trump has out of this?
Hopefully this second deadline coming up soon will have a solution enough to exit this. Hopefully he has Lindsey Graham blocked on any further "advising"!
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The last time I checked, the irgc is an army. They are based on land.

Most armies tend to congregate their soldiers in large areas called bases.

I think it's time we start taking entire bases out with MOABS and other large ordinance.

Time to stop playing with our food. These people are INSANE.

We need to end them completely. Let the surrounding countries assume relevant portions of Iran after the dust clears.

Iran needs to cease to exist.
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Yep. Scorched earth time.
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AGHouston11 said:

TRM said:




One day after AGAIN !
Is there an exit strategy that Trump has out of this?
Hopefully this second deadline coming up soon will have a solution enough to exit this. Hopefully he has Lindsey Graham blocked on any further "advising"!


It will be revealed next Friday after market close.
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Who?mikejones! said:

The more iran tries and control flow through the strait, the more likely the world bypasses it altogether.

Some volume will be sent via other countries- the usa, Venezuela, russia

Middle East countries will likely create new pathways. I dont see them being beholden to a crazed neighbor wishing to use the strait as leverage

Largely agree but it's a matter of timing right now for the current issue. These things take a ton of time (for any measurable difference) and money though. I doubt anyone actually WANTS to do business with Iran even in the past but bottom line still rules the world. Putting up with Iran when they are not in a murderous rage is easier and cheaper, always.
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Just trying to keep things straight. Iran announced SOH open, the USA says they are still enforcing blockade. Then Iran says SOH is closed again.
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Eliminatus said:

Who?mikejones! said:

The more iran tries and control flow through the strait, the more likely the world bypasses it altogether.

Some volume will be sent via other countries- the usa, Venezuela, russia

Middle East countries will likely create new pathways. I dont see them being beholden to a crazed neighbor wishing to use the strait as leverage

Largely agree but it's a matter of timing right now for the current issue. These things take a ton of time (for any measurable difference) and money though. I doubt anyone actually WANTS to do business with Iran even in the past but bottom line still rules the world. Putting up with Iran when they are not in a murderous rage is easier and cheaper, always.


Short term- yes. The need doesn't magically go away.

But, beyond changing the leadership in iran, there are physical ways to isolate the country and insulate supply.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Eliminatus said:

Who?mikejones! said:

The more iran tries and control flow through the strait, the more likely the world bypasses it altogether.

Some volume will be sent via other countries- the usa, Venezuela, russia

Middle East countries will likely create new pathways. I dont see them being beholden to a crazed neighbor wishing to use the strait as leverage

Largely agree but it's a matter of timing right now for the current issue. These things take a ton of time (for any measurable difference) and money though. I doubt anyone actually WANTS to do business with Iran even in the past but bottom line still rules the world. Putting up with Iran when they are not in a murderous rage is easier and cheaper, always.


Short term- yes. The need doesn't magically go away.

But, beyond changing the leadership in iran, there are physical ways to isolate the country and insulate supply.


They are who they have been for most of living memory at this point. When it comes to transshipping in the SoH, no one really gives a **** about their jihad unless they are in a particularly foul mood (for them at least) and making a ruckus that affects said shipping. Like it or not, the world was fine with the set up even all the way up to the point that WE kicked the hornets nest in this latest dust up.

That's my point. I'd bet a nice steak dinner the vast majority of the world is just waiting for things to go back to a status quo of sorts so oil, goods, and money can keep flowing. Bean counters are in charge here.

I am sure projects are being looked at of course. Might as well while we all twiddle our thumbs but if this thing gets settled in any sort of timely manner this year, I wouldn't hold my breath on anything being funded that would overtake the output of the SoH.
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Chuckie lame ducking it now.
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Dorm 15 said:

Just trying to keep things straight. Iran announced SOH open, the USA says they are still enforcing blockade. Then Iran says SOH is closed again.

USA Enforcing blockade of Iranian ports.
Iranian wants total SOH open including their ports.
USA wants peace treaty signed before opening Iranian ports.


so Iran now mad cause their ports be blocked so Iran back to threatening all ship movements with destruction if they try to traverse thru the Straits.

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In summary Trump claimed a Bush mission accomplished more than once only to have Iran the very next day to do the opposite of what he has claimed.

To date whatever the president has said the Iran regime has said the complete opposite.

No Airforce and no Navy but they still control the strait.

The second deadline is approaching.
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He posted this after he just posted Israel is prohibited on bombing saying enough is enough. You usually don't have to publicly tell your greatest ally publicly enough is enough.

The next post seems like a post attempting to make amends for publicly slapping them.
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The last time I checked, the irgc is an army. They are based on land.

Most armies tend to congregate their soldiers in large areas called bases.

I think it's time we start taking entire bases out with MOABS and other large ordinance.

Time to stop playing with our food. These people are INSANE.

We need to end them completely. Let the surrounding countries assume relevant portions of Iran after the dust clears.

Iran needs to cease to exist.


You just described is the exact reason they don't have large congregations of troops. They're organized for assymetric warfare against stronger militaries and as an internal security force. They keep small specialized bases, and their soldiers are embedded in the country and designed to be mobilized quickly.

They don't give big targets, because they know any big targets would be eliminated in the first hours.

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Trump is on a timer. The 60 day mark for the War Powers Act is nine days away.

Granted there's a better than 50% chance Congress will authorize continuing military action but politically/economically he really can't let this run into the summer.

He used the two week cease fire to ID targets, move additional forces into the region, re-arm, manipulate markets, and get ready for a big push.


He's going to bomb the absolute living **** out of Iran this week to try to force a surrender.......



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Agreed although I think chances are more 50/50....at best. Republicans are panicking about the mid-terms right now and this war is the reason.

I think it's more like 40-45% chance they approve anything further.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Trump is on a timer. The 60 day mark for the War Powers Act is nine days away.

Granted there's a better than 50% chance Congress will authorize continuing military action but politically/economically he really can't let this run into the summer.

He used the two week cease fire to ID targets, move additional forces into the region, re-arm, manipulate markets, and get ready for a big push.


He's going to bomb the absolute living **** out of Iran this week to try to force a surrender.......





Trump is not on any sort of timer. This thing is not going to be over any time soon
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YouBet said:

Agreed although I think chances are more 50/50....at best. Republicans are panicking about the mid-terms right now and this war is the reason.

I think it's more like 40-45% chance they approve anything further.


The midterms are likely a foregone conclusion at this point. Why wouid this be the concern if everything Trump has based this on is legit.

He has Levin saying Iran has to be finished. I'm sure the advisor Lindsey Graham is saying the same thing. Of course we know what BiBi is advising.

The Iran regime in their mind is winning. They likely are ok with resuming of bombing.

So here we are after Trump's multiple mission accomplished celebrations!
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Strange our blockade had closed the strait and 2 days ago he was celebrating it being open. Someone has convinced Trump he can say whatever and not be held accountable for his out right lies. Daily the strait is either open or closed he either cares or he doesn't I guess it really is 4d chess you win by flip flopping. Iran can't keep up with what we want.

I don't want him to do it but from a foreign policy standpoint you can't say you will do things and then not do it. This isn't purchasing a commercial property this is the reason we give the department of war a blank check every year as a taxpayer. We are safe because we have the greatest most expensive military in the world either use it or don't but don't make us look weak by saying things and not doing it.
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AGHouston11 said:

YouBet said:

Agreed although I think chances are more 50/50....at best. Republicans are panicking about the mid-terms right now and this war is the reason.

I think it's more like 40-45% chance they approve anything further.


The midterms are likely a foregone conclusion at this point. Why wouid this be the concern if everything Trump has based this on is legit.

He has Levin saying Iran has to be finished. I'm sure the advisor Lindsey Graham is saying the same thing. Of course we know what BiBi is advising.

The Iran regime in their mind is winning. They likely are ok with resuming of bombing.

So here we are after Trump's multiple mission accomplished celebrations!


You'll have to ask the Republicans that are in office. If they think they can mitigate some election losses by getting out of this thing, then you will see them vote accordingly.

What you are saying is that they have already all given up on mid-terms at this point, so their mantra would now be "F* it, we are going to lose so let's just finish Iran.". Maybe that is the case but I doubt you will have all of them on board with that.

We will find out around May 1 if this next phase doesn't create an ending in Iran.
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You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. - Ayn Rand

What color is the sky in your world?

He's absolutely on a timer.

Global and domestic politics and economics are front and center now.

When airlines around the world start going BK because they can't get or more importantly afford jet fuel because of a war HE started, it's a major issue staring him in the face.



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I can't believe anyone to this day cannot understand the meaning of Jihad and their desire for genocide of ALL nonbelievers.


I do understand. I also know it has not affected my daily life for over 47 years. So there's that too.

I also know that 19 jihadist, mostly from Saudi Arabia, attacked the American homeland and very much disrupted my life, but Saudi Arabia gets a pass cause they do a better job of playing both sides.
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For whatever reason, Trump has a difficult time corralling Israel and treats them with kid gloves.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. - Ayn Rand

What color is the sky in your world?

He's absolutely on a timer.

Global and domestic politics and economics are front and center now.

When airlines around the world start going BK because they can't get or more importantly afford jet fuel because of a war HE started, it's a major issue staring him in the face.






I think keyno has devolved into thinking Trump is actually God Emperor and can do whatever he wants. Everything Trump has done so far is to try and get this thing wrapped up before May 1 because of that exact timer. He absolutely does not want to risk a domestic fight with his own party over this. Republicans are ****ting bricks right now. They want this over. Trump knows that.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. - Ayn Rand

What color is the sky in your world?

He's absolutely on a timer.

Global and domestic politics and economics are front and center now.

When airlines around the world start going BK because they can't get or more importantly afford jet fuel because of a war HE started, it's a major issue staring him in the face.

Haha Ayn Rand quote nice.

Yeah, Trump does not care about any of that. Trump literally has 2 options- escalate or back down. What do you think he will do?
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Given his track record, he will back down while declaring victory.
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Jaxson11 said:

For whatever reason, Trump has a difficult time corralling Israel and treats them with kid gloves.


Because when it comes to people like Netanyahu and global situations like this, Trump is out of his depth. The "strong leader" imagery he pushes out is 100% bull*****
Gig 'Em
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Windy City Ag said:

Given his track record, he will back down while declaring victory.

Haha good point. This is a rare time I am hoping for a TACO. Unfortunately he has put himself in a situation where that does not look possible. A back down is a strategic victory for Iran, Israel will HATE it, and it would destroy our credibility to project power on the world.
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Anonymous Source said:

Jaxson11 said:

For whatever reason, Trump has a difficult time corralling Israel and treats them with kid gloves.


Because when it comes to people like Netanyahu and global situations like this, Trump is out of his depth. The "strong leader" imagery he pushes out is 100% bull*****


Literally ignores reality of both of his terms.

I swear, TDS is the most reality warping condition that might have ever existed.
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YouBet said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. - Ayn Rand

What color is the sky in your world?

He's absolutely on a timer.

Global and domestic politics and economics are front and center now.

When airlines around the world start going BK because they can't get or more importantly afford jet fuel because of a war HE started, it's a major issue staring him in the face.






I think keyno has devolved into thinking Trump is actually God Emperor and can do whatever he wants. Everything Trump has done so far is to try and get this thing wrapped up before May 1 because of that exact timer. He absolutely does not want to risk a domestic fight with his own party over this. Republicans are ****ting bricks right now. They want this over. Trump knows that.

No sir, I do not think Trump is a God Emperor (although I used to meme that in 2015/2016). Trump is not on a timer. Yes, I know you are referring to the "War Powers Resolution". The GOP is going to sanction continued action, or they won't and Trump will continue anyway. Yes, they want this over with. Unfortunately, there are other parties at play who have wanted this war for 50 years, and they want it to continue
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