Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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We will likely find out. One of us will be eating crow.
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YouBet said:

We will likely find out. One of us will be eating crow.

Trust me, I hope I am wrong. I literally pray about it. But I can objectively look at the situation, look at the strategic goals of all 3 parties involved, and realize that this thing is not over because nothing has been resolved.
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YouBet said:

We will likely find out. One of us will be eating crow.


LOL. Do you think the crowd that last summer was predicting $30 gas prices and a World War in which USA loses to BRICS wil eat crow when they are yet again wrong?

I'm Gipper
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My answer is literally in the post you quoted........

He's going to bomb the ever living **** out them. Most likely starting the moment the "two week ceasefire" is over. So, Tuesday morning......


Honestly, I would be surprised if he allows Israel to test out their tactical nukes on some of the missile complexes dug into the mountains. (No population centers though) Just to prove how far up the escalation ladder he's willing to go.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

My answer is literally in the post you quoted........

He's going to bomb the ever living **** out them. Most likely starting the moment the "two week ceasefire" is over. So, Tuesday morning......


Honestly, I would be surprised if he allows Israel to test out their tactical nukes on some of the missile complexes dug into the mountains. (No population centers though) Just to prove how far up the escalation ladder he's willing to go.

That's funny man. We are ostensibly doing this war because "Iran cannot have a nuke". The US has a long standing policy of non proliferation. Iran is a signatory of the NPT and does not have nukes. Israel, who is not and has never been a signatory of the NPT, does have nukes. And they got them against the wishes of JFK using highly questionable methods.

And here you are casually musing that maybe Trump will let Israel nuke Iran.
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I'm not advocating for it. I don't think it's a good option AT ALL but it's about the only way to knock out those missile complexes without landing ground forces onto of them. He and Bibi are in a corner and aren't the types to say they were wrong.....


Believe me, I think Trump completely screwed the pooch on this. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer the consequences of his reckless actions and incompetence.


Had he spent the 1st year of this term arresting and hanging the people who committed treason in the Obama and Biden regimes, I might have given him a little more leeway. But here we are 16 months in and more F35s have been shot down over Iran than criminals arrested in DC...... **** him. He made his choices.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

I'm not advocating for it. I don't think it's a good option AT ALL but it's about the only way to knock out those missile complexes without landing ground forces onto of them. He and Bibi are in a corner and aren't the types to say they were wrong.....


Believe me, I think Trump completely screwed the pooch on this. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer the consequences of his reckless actions and incompetence.



Had he spent the 1st year of this term arresting and hanging the people who committed treason in the Obama and Biden regimes, I might have given him a little more leeway. But here we are 16 months in and more F35s have been shot down over Iran than criminals arrested in DC...... **** him. He made his choices.


I agree with everything you said in the bolded text.

As far as the rest (trying to blame Obama and Democrats) I am going to have to push back. Obama had this solved in 2015 with the JCPOA. Trump ripped it up in 2018. This entire situation is a result of that.
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Keyno said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

I'm not advocating for it. I don't think it's a good option AT ALL but it's about the only way to knock out those missile complexes without landing ground forces onto of them. He and Bibi are in a corner and aren't the types to say they were wrong.....


Believe me, I think Trump completely screwed the pooch on this. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer the consequences of his reckless actions and incompetence.



Had he spent the 1st year of this term arresting and hanging the people who committed treason in the Obama and Biden regimes, I might have given him a little more leeway. But here we are 16 months in and more F35s have been shot down over Iran than criminals arrested in DC...... **** him. He made his choices.


I agree with everything you said in the bolded text.

As far as the rest (trying to blame Obama and Democrats) I am going to have to push back. Obama had this solved in 2015 with the JCPOA. Trump ripped it up in 2018. This entire situation is a result of that.

This made me laugh, but then I realized you were serious, and that made me sad.
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Phatbob said:

Keyno said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

I'm not advocating for it. I don't think it's a good option AT ALL but it's about the only way to knock out those missile complexes without landing ground forces onto of them. He and Bibi are in a corner and aren't the types to say they were wrong.....


Believe me, I think Trump completely screwed the pooch on this. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer the consequences of his reckless actions and incompetence.



Had he spent the 1st year of this term arresting and hanging the people who committed treason in the Obama and Biden regimes, I might have given him a little more leeway. But here we are 16 months in and more F35s have been shot down over Iran than criminals arrested in DC...... **** him. He made his choices.


I agree with everything you said in the bolded text.

As far as the rest (trying to blame Obama and Democrats) I am going to have to push back. Obama had this solved in 2015 with the JCPOA. Trump ripped it up in 2018. This entire situation is a result of that.

This made me laugh, but then I realized you were serious, and that made me sad.

He knows it's not true but he has to say it.
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I do get a lot of Andy Kaufman vibes.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Trump is on a timer. The 60 day mark for the War Powers Act is nine days away.

Granted there's a better than 50% chance Congress will authorize continuing military action but politically/economically he really can't let this run into the summer.

He used the two week cease fire to ID targets, move additional forces into the region, re-arm, manipulate markets, and get ready for a big push.


He's going to bomb the absolute living **** out of Iran this week to try to force a surrender.......






I am wondering how the war powers act works with a cease fire. Can Trump claim the fighting ended so the clock starts over?
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This story line of civilizations fighting for control of this region has been going for 1000s of years. The current iteration, began in the late 1800s/early 1900s with the British and their drawing the borders of "Royal Arab and Jewish Kingdoms" in the sand.

Obama was just a puppet with his role in Iran.


The treason he and his cohorts committed against this country is another story......
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The weekly "Big Threat" from Trump is out
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Keyno said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

I'm not advocating for it. I don't think it's a good option AT ALL but it's about the only way to knock out those missile complexes without landing ground forces onto of them. He and Bibi are in a corner and aren't the types to say they were wrong.....


Believe me, I think Trump completely screwed the pooch on this. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer the consequences of his reckless actions and incompetence.



Had he spent the 1st year of this term arresting and hanging the people who committed treason in the Obama and Biden regimes, I might have given him a little more leeway. But here we are 16 months in and more F35s have been shot down over Iran than criminals arrested in DC...... **** him. He made his choices.


I agree with everything you said in the bolded text.

As far as the rest (trying to blame Obama and Democrats) I am going to have to push back. Obama had this solved in 2015 with the JCPOA[. Trump ripped it up in 2018. This entire situation is a result of that.


No, he didn't and that's already been shown multiple times with information directly from IAEA. This is becoming another "the rich don't pay their fair share" lie.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

This story line of civilizations fighting for control of this region has been going for 1000s of years. The current iteration, began in the late 1800s/early 1900s with the British and their drawing the borders of "Royal Arab and Jewish Kingdoms" in the sand.

Obama was just a puppet with his role in Iran.


The treason he and his cohorts committed against this country is another story......

Bro, are you talking about the Balfour Declaration? Because that's what you mean, I think. That was 1917
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Im sure they will try to say the deadline is actually May 10th because of it.

But at the end of the day, we all know he's required to get Congressional approval for a war.

Congress will allow further actions but the powers that be on both sides of the aisle are going to exact as much political gain/pain as possible before they vote to allow it.

My question is how he will explain his justifications for the war he stated on February 27th..... Especially the lie that "the Iranians knew and were probably involved with the bombing of the USS Cole."

You can see him say it at the 1:20 min mark here.


I'm still trying to find information on that, yet all I can find is that it was al Qaeda attack. Weird.....
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Im sure they will try to say the deadline is actually May 10th because of it.

But at the end of the day, we all know he's required to get Congressional approval for a war.

Congress will allow further actions but the powers that be on both sides of the aisle are going to exact as much political gain/pain as possible before they vote to allow it.

My question is how he will explain his justifications for the war he stated on February 27th..... Especially the lie that "the Iranians knew and were probably involved with the bombing of the USS Cole."

I'm still trying to find information on that, yet all I can find is that it was al Qaeda attack. Weird.....


I believe when the 60 days lapses you get another 30 days to wind down. I have no idea what is technically allowed or not during that 30-day wind down period.
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Yes, and then some.... this didn't "start" in 1979.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Yes, and then some.... this didn't "start" in 1979.

I didn't say 1979. I said 1917
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The point was that this isn't the first time in history that the two of the three primary players have fought over who controls the region.

Might as well just bring back Cyrus the Great and King David to play their parts too.....
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Jaxson11 said:

For whatever reason, Trump has a difficult time corralling Israel and treats them with kid gloves.


Because when it comes to people like Netanyahu and global situations like this, Trump is out of his depth. The "strong leader" imagery he pushes out is 100% bull*****


Yeah, that's why he's been one of the most consequential foreign policy Presidents in history.

Because no one takes him seriously. Great take.

Let's go ask Maduro what he thinks of Trump's "tough guy act."
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TRM said:




That should be fair and balanced reporting.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

The point was that this isn't the first time in history that the two of the three primary players have fought over who controls the region.

Might as well just bring back Cyrus the Great and King David to play their parts too.....

Uh well the state of Israel isn't even 100 years old so I am not sure why you are referencing antiquity. And the Islamic Republic of Iran is even newer.

This is actually the first time Israel and Iran have been in open war. Same for the US and Iran. It is distinct and noteworthy
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"Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective." - DJT
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Silent For Too Long said:

Anonymous Source said:

Jaxson11 said:

For whatever reason, Trump has a difficult time corralling Israel and treats them with kid gloves.


Because when it comes to people like Netanyahu and global situations like this, Trump is out of his depth. The "strong leader" imagery he pushes out is 100% bull*****


Yeah, that's why he's been one of the most consequential foreign policy Presidents in history.

Because no one takes him seriously. Great take.

Let's go ask Maduro what he thinks of Trump's "tough guy act."

Oh he's certainly been consequential...just not in a good way. You don't have to be good at your job in order to consequentially **** things up.
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YouBet said:

AGHouston11 said:

YouBet said:

Agreed although I think chances are more 50/50....at best. Republicans are panicking about the mid-terms right now and this war is the reason.

I think it's more like 40-45% chance they approve anything further.


The midterms are likely a foregone conclusion at this point. Why wouid this be the concern if everything Trump has based this on is legit.

He has Levin saying Iran has to be finished. I'm sure the advisor Lindsey Graham is saying the same thing. Of course we know what BiBi is advising.

The Iran regime in their mind is winning. They likely are ok with resuming of bombing.

So here we are after Trump's multiple mission accomplished celebrations!


You'll have to ask the Republicans that are in office. If they think they can mitigate some election losses by getting out of this thing, then you will see them vote accordingly.

What you are saying is that they have already all given up on mid-terms at this point, so their mantra would now be "F* it, we are going to lose so let's just finish Iran.". Maybe that is the case but I doubt you will have all of them on board with that.

We will find out around May 1 if this next phase doesn't create an ending in Iran.


That's not necessarily what I was saying.

If everything Trump has said about Iran being an imminent threat to our existence then why would the main concern be at this point be the midterms! Because one would be way more important than the other!

As far as the midterms go they most likely are already a far gone conclusion. Trump can't even keep his base together that got him elected. The democrat base will be out in full force because they hate Trump. It's not a great year to be in the midterms and be a Republican.
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Pylon Cam said:

"Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective." - DJT


It's too bad the Mission Accomplished thread is closed. Seems like it's all back to where it began. Trump is now back to ending civilization. The only thing that has been consistent is the Iran regime and their desire to keep this going!

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116433000897070863

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Today, an Iranian-flagged cargo ship named TOUSKA, nearly 900 feet long and weighing almost as much as an aircraft carrier, tried to get past our Naval Blockade, and it did not go well for them. The U.S. Navy Guided Missile Destroyer USS SPRUANCE intercepted the TOUSKA in the Gulf of Oman, and gave them fair warning to stop. The Iranian crew refused to listen, so our Navy ship stopped them right in their tracks by blowing a hole in the engineroom. Right now, U.S. Marines have custody of the vessel. The TOUSKA is under U.S. Treasury Sanctions because of their prior history of illegal activity. We have full custody of the ship, and are seeing what's on board! President DONALD J. TRUMP

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So have some of you foreign policy experts laid out your 12 point plans for handling this better than Trump has? You even have the benefit of hindsight right now.

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It's the Persians vs the Jews. Both been around for a while.......
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Looks like it's going to get restarted this week.


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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:




Looks like it's going to get restarted this week.




We have been in a "holding pattern" for like over a month. Trump came out and threatened Iranian civilian infrastructure, and Iran responded by threatening the energy and desalination of US supporters in the ME and closed the Strait. A few weeks later, Trump threatened genocide and praised Allah (on Easter), and then we've had some fake negotiations and a doomed ceasefire since then. US has been moving more troops and strike packages into the region.
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