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Like the America first crowd said when this was started the only winner is Israel.

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Weird you flex about being wrong so often

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Our partner in this war takes an ax to Jesus head.

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Outraged the acts of one soldier, yet rubs interference for an entire regime that promotes terrorism and rape. Quite interesting

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Only one guy can swing a ax. Plenty more standing by enjoying the show. It's not the act in itself it's the American Ambassador telling me these guys are more professional then American Soldiers. I really don't care what happens in Iran as long as gas is 2 dollars a gallon. I don't care if they attack Israel daily. Israel is not a extension of Brooklyn I only care about the United States and what benefits my fellow Americans.

Someone obviously put a "J" in your cheerios this morning

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

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This sentence, the way its structured, makes no sense.

Everyone here understands you believe Iran was/is an imminent nuke threat. There is simply no evidence or intel to support that claim after Midnight Hammer, other than assertions from the WH.

Trump repeatedly claimed we would have a "nuclear holocaust" if he didn't negotiate with North Korea. Then said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didnt tear up Obama's Iran deal. Then he said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didn't do Midnight Hammer. In the not to distant future, Trump will proclaim we would have had a 4th nuclear holocaust if he didn't do Operation AIPAC Fury. Many of us are skeptical about the validity of these nuke threat claims, others like you aren't. Thats perfectly fine.

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just answer this simple question then. If enrichment beyond 20% is not needed for any peace time activities , why is Iran continuing to refuse to stop their enrichment program as non negotiable? What is their rationale for such a staunch stance if not to develop a WMD given it is common knowledge that they have uranium at 60%+ enrichment currently?

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It is a security strategy called nuclear hedging. Look it up

Truth.

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AgDad121619 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

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This sentence, the way its structured, makes no sense.

Everyone here understands you believe Iran was/is an imminent nuke threat. There is simply no evidence or intel to support that claim after Midnight Hammer, other than assertions from the WH.

Trump repeatedly claimed we would have a "nuclear holocaust" if he didn't negotiate with North Korea. Then said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didnt tear up Obama's Iran deal. Then he said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didn't do Midnight Hammer. In the not to distant future, Trump will proclaim we would have had a 4th nuclear holocaust if he didn't do Operation AIPAC Fury. Many of us are skeptical about the validity of these nuke threat claims, others like you aren't. Thats perfectly fine.

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just answer this simple question then. If enrichment beyond 20% is not needed for any peace time activities , why is Iran continuing to refuse to stop their enrichment program as non negotiable? What is their rationale for such a staunch stance if not to develop a WMD given it is common knowledge that they have uranium at 60%+ enrichment currently?

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It is a security strategy called nuclear hedging. Look it up

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As stated by Iran, they are intent on possessing nuclear weapons. It is their right, they say.

Why allow a death cult to terrorize their country, their neighbors and destabilize the world economy?

I do recall there was a decent contingent of folks lambasting Ukraine giving up "their" nukes years ago. Could you imagine the Great Z with a nuke? He would have sent it to St Petersburg just for the likes on Slavagram and Ukebook.

I am not a big fan of India and Pakistan having them, but they have shown reasonably good responsibility and behavior over the years, despite political turmoil and them openly in combat with one another. The idea that Iran would ever employ such constraint? That's just still in your mother's womb naive.

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It is a security strategy called nuclear hedging. Look it up

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So was bringing up the NPT just a talking point?

What world does "nuclear hedging" not run afoul of Articles II & III?

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

Fact: Iran has been building up its military capabilities with plans to use and sell these weapons to attack its enemies and enemies of its friends and enemies of its enemies. The evidence is widely available from ALL sources that this was being done.

Fact: The attempted missile attack on Diego Garcia showed they are increasing the range capabilities of their missiles. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Even the shorter range missiles now demonstrate cluster-warhead capabilities. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Iran has been increasing enrichment of Uranium well-beyond what is needed for energy and medical / research needs. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Increasing from 60% to weapons grade is a relatively short "leap" from a technical and time perspective. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Despite all this, folks continue to spew misinformation that Iran equates in anyway to Iraq (30 years ago as well).

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Good. Let's destroy the uranium and then let the Muslims and Jews fight over their little scrap of desert over there and let our soldiers come home.

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Sweet! Are we rounding up and sending Jews and Muslims in the US back to their scrap of desert so they can join the dust up and our troops (many of whom are Muslim and Jewish) can return home? Seems like a solid, well-reasoned plan. Have you relayed this plan to your congressman / senator?

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Just so you know, you're talking with anti-semite socks...


hth

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I do recall there was a decent contingent of folks lambasting Ukraine giving up "their" nukes years ago. Could you imagine the Great Z with a nuke? He would have sent it to St Petersburg just for the likes on Slavagram and Ukebook.

I am not a big fan of India and Pakistan having them, but they have shown reasonably good responsibility and behavior over the years, despite political turmoil and them openly in combat with one another. The idea that Iran would ever employ such constraint? That's just still in your mother's womb naive.

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If Ukraine still had their nukes, Russia would not be never have been inside their borders...

Jet fuel exports on water collapsing.

Jet fuel demand remaining relatively robust.

Rock is going to meet hard place.

Chart: Kpler https://t.co/bwdpDQsv3Q pic.twitter.com/F4da27EmDy

— Tarric Brooker aka Avid Commentator 🇦🇺 (@AvidCommentator) April 27, 2026

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I do recall there was a decent contingent of folks lambasting Ukraine giving up "their" nukes years ago. Could you imagine the Great Z with a nuke? He would have sent it to St Petersburg just for the likes on Slavagram and Ukebook.

I am not a big fan of India and Pakistan having them, but they have shown reasonably good responsibility and behavior over the years, despite political turmoil and them openly in combat with one another. The idea that Iran would ever employ such constraint? That's just still in your mother's womb naive.

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Yea I also remember that we were going to offer protection for giving up their nukes. Maybe Russia would not have invaded them if they still had those nukes.

Tomorrow the Iran war becomes illegal under US law unless Congress votes to authorize it. 🚨

The 60 day War Powers Act deadline hits April 29. Under the 1973 law, the president must get congressional authorization to continue military operations or begin withdrawing troops.… pic.twitter.com/i4AzEeeqVq

— Crypto Rover (@cryptorover) April 28, 2026

The political fallout on ignoring the imminent threat from the country on our immediate southern border will become evident at some point. Instead went to war with Iran. Mexico is responsible for more American deaths in America for more times many over than any other terrorists combined! The president should have had this as our country's priority. Instead just yesterday the Mexico president Sheinbaum tells the US they will not be involved in any future drug ops!

As Trump has said about Iran many times. Many presidents let this continue with Mexico and should have done something permanently about it and you can currently ad Trump to this list. Very disappointing!

Or, there is no war right now, and Trump ignores the statute congress passed which has never been reviewed for constitutionality.

Politico (EU): Trump's Iran Showdown is becoming Europe's political nightmare.

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"We should not underestimate that this is a unique moment where a U.S. president, a Russian president, a Chinese president are dead against the Europeans," French President Emmanuel Macron said in Athens on Friday where he held talks with Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis following the EU summit. "So, this is the right moment for us to wake up."

In a sign of growing financial strains, both leaders used their meeting to call for spreading out the repayment of the EU's post-pandemic recovery plan and for more EU debt to finance the bloc's investment priorities.

Downgrading economic forecasts

The economic sluggishness that has haunted Europe for years is turning into something more urgent: stagflation. Rising prices caused by the war and blockade are colliding with weak growth across the bloc.

Once seen as temporary, the crisis is now expected to have longer-lasting effects and is spreading through the wider economy, Dombrovskis said.

"We are facing stagflation economic slowdown and increased inflation at the same time," he told POLITICO. "It is almost certain that we will have to revise our [full-year] economic forecast down in our spring forecast in the second half of May."

Germany and Italy together representing more than a third of the EU's total GDP have both downgraded their full-year economic forecasts in recent days.

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Well, that's just a shame.

Suggest you start another thread instead of derailing the Iran thread with your conversation about Mexico.

The way to defeat Iran permanently is by taking their oil wealth. In a few weeks days, their oil customers will begin arriving in the Southern ports of Louisiana/ Texas with large tankers. Japan will load in Alaska and China already has ships dedicated to Venezuela thanks to the short sided vision of Maduro.

One day in the very near future, their American ships will be gone from the SOH. Iran will be left to their pissed off neighbors to clean up.

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Just so you know, you're talking with anti-semite socks...


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I wont go offsides and lump folks into groups and make assumptions on their positions.

Their posting and representation of their positions feel to me to have an oddly anti-Israel / anti-Semitic undertone to them but ultimately I think there are folks who do not see it that way.

I think there could be some distinction between wanting Israel to be disregarded / treated portly and those who are trying to say Israel should not be so special, but with all the noise the latter comes across as anti-Israel.

My hope is that those banging on Israel these days realize it's actually Israel wanting to be treated fairly and Iran wanting to single them for elimination and total destruction.

as many of us have said previously, there is no "Deadline." The war powers act is unconstitutional and no president is going to act like it stops them from doing anything.

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I do recall there was a decent contingent of folks lambasting Ukraine giving up "their" nukes years ago. Could you imagine the Great Z with a nuke? He would have sent it to St Petersburg just for the likes on Slavagram and Ukebook.

I am not a big fan of India and Pakistan having them, but they have shown reasonably good responsibility and behavior over the years, despite political turmoil and them openly in combat with one another. The idea that Iran would ever employ such constraint? That's just still in your mother's womb naive.

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If Ukraine still had their nukes, Russia would not be never have been inside their borders...

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Agree and I considered that with my post. But… would that actually have been the case? The current "regime" in Ukraine has about as much legitimate case to the historic land of the Kiev Rus as the Islamic regime has claim to the historic land of the Aryan peoples.

Lots of made up history based on current occupiers used to influence geopolitics. Problem history has a way of being learned by others to delegitimize that constructed past.

tl;dr I agree with you in your assessment, was going at a broader concept. Appreciate your comments though, I have come to learn we see things similarly in more areas than we don't.

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The way to defeat Iran permanently is by taking their oil wealth. In a few weeks days, their oil customers will begin arriving in the Southern ports of Louisiana/ Texas with large tankers. Japan will load in Alaska and China already has ships dedicated to Venezuela thanks to the short sided vision of Maduro.

One day in the very near future, their American ships will be gone from the SOH. Iran will be left to their pissed off neighbors to clean up.

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That's not how commodity markets work. There's no brand loyalty for crude. The buyers follow prices when the tankers aren't blocked by war ships.

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Tomorrow the Iran war becomes illegal under US law unless Congress votes to authorize it. 🚨

The 60 day War Powers Act deadline hits April 29. Under the 1973 law, the president must get congressional authorization to continue military operations or begin withdrawing troops.… pic.twitter.com/i4AzEeeqVq

— Crypto Rover (@cryptorover) April 28, 2026

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Arrest or impeach him. We have a war to fight in the meantime.

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The political fallout on ignoring the imminent threat from the country on our immediate southern border will become evident at some point. Instead went to war with Iran. Mexico is responsible for more American deaths in America for more times many over than any other terrorists combined! The president should have had this as our country's priority. Instead just yesterday the Mexico president Sheinbaum tells the US they will not be involved in any future drug ops!

As Trump has said about Iran many times. Many presidents let this continue with Mexico and should have done something permanently about it and you can currently ad Trump to this list. Very disappointing!

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Ignoring it by closing the border, killing cartel leaders and blowing up boats disrupting shipping lanes?

Aggressively pursuing drug traffickers (and human/child/sex traffickers) operating inside the United States?

Is that what you mean by ignoring? Cause again you are gaslighting to the extreme to say Trump has ignored the southern boarder. There are only 45 to 47 hours in a typical Trump day.

Just because he didn't tweet "AGHouston11, I hear you and tomorrow I will napalm the entire northern states of Estados Unidos de Mexico so that you are more convinced I am super duper serious on drugs and cartels" does not mean it's not a priority.

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The way to defeat Iran permanently is by taking their oil wealth. In a few weeks days, their oil customers will begin arriving in the Southern ports of Louisiana/ Texas with large tankers. Japan will load in Alaska and China already has ships dedicated to Venezuela thanks to the short sided vision of Maduro.

One day in the very near future, their American ships will be gone from the SOH. Iran will be left to their pissed off neighbors to clean up.

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That's not how commodity markets work. There's no brand loyalty for crude. The buyers follow prices when the tankers aren't blocked by war ships.

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Transportation cost plays a huge factor in oil net revenues for the buyers. Alaska is a lot closer than Iran for Japan/Asia. GOA is not a stretch for Europe and China has a route with Venz.

the existing problem is stability as in will America stay the course as a oil producer or
swing back to the democrats green model.

i am thinking once a oil route is established and long term contracts signed, governments must honor private industry international contracts no matter who is in the WH.

take their customers and you weaken their ability to buy goods (weapons), business 101.

Sounds promising, anyway.

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump says Iran has informed him they’re in a “STATE OF COLLAPSE”

“They want us to ‘Open the Hormuz Strait,’ as soon as possible, as they try to figure out their leadership situation (Which I believe they will be able to do!).”

Hopefully this’ll be wrapped… pic.twitter.com/EoxLUW5I99

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) April 28, 2026

Market should be looking up this am.

The war doesn't just become illegal. The president is required to go to congress for authorization within the time window. As long as he presents his requirements then the onus is on congress to act, and the President can continue if congress dithers around or doesn't take action one way or another.

American has a finite supply of oil. We can't produce enough to supply everyone. Increased prices lead to increased production, but that takes some time. If Iran isn't being embargoed, they'll sell oil abd tabkers will cone get it. Transportation costs do factor in, but Japan won't buy $120 oil from the US over $50 oil from Iran. It's a global commodity with global pricing when not affected by politics.

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American has a finite supply of oil. We can't produce enough to supply everyone. Increased prices lead to increased production, but that takes some time. If Iran isn't being embargoed, they'll sell oil abd tabkers will cone get it. Transportation costs do factor in, but Japan won't buy $120 oil from the US over $50 oil from Iran. It's a global commodity with global pricing when not affected by politics.

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Oil pricing has NEVER not been affected by politics.

And oil is not near as commoditized as people want to believe. Heck, how many different oils are traded and prices globally? There are 3 majors but over 160 different prices are set and traded on via global markets.

I very much doubt that Iran said "We are in a state of collapse" to President Trump.

No, it doesn't.

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I very much doubt that Iran said "We are in a state of collapse" to President Trump.

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"state of collapse we are in" (in Farsi) was the exact quote I believe

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Like the America first crowd said when this was started the only winner is Israel.

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Weird you flex about being wrong so often

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Our partner in this war takes an ax to Jesus head.

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Outraged the acts of one soldier, yet rubs interference for an entire regime that promotes terrorism and rape. Quite interesting

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Only one guy can swing a ax. Plenty more standing by enjoying the show. It's not the act in itself it's the American Ambassador telling me these guys are more professional then American Soldiers. I really don't care what happens in Iran as long as gas is 2 dollars a gallon. I don't care if they attack Israel daily. Israel is not a extension of Brooklyn I only care about the United States and what benefits my fellow Americans.

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To bad the real world doesnt work this way.

This post would have been very popular in April 1940 too. But as luck would have it and whether we like it or not the world is even more connected now than it was on Dec 1941. Lots of Isolationist then too and they were PROVEN wrong. And given the reality of even faster communications and more connectiveity today, this type of sentiment, no matter how well meaning, is even dumber today.

Sounds great but its a turd in reality- unfortunately. I'm a pragmatist and sunshine pumpers irritate the rational side of my being no matter how much I wish they were correct.

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I very much doubt that Iran said "We are in a state of collapse" to President Trump.

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"state of collapse we are in" (in Farsi) was the exact quote I believe

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This is what AI is for. I am becoming more of a fan each day!