A May 1 deadline threatens to make continued military action in Iran unlawful without congressional approval. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, this congress chooses to do.

"The War Powers Resolution is a federal law giving U.S. presidents 60 days to conduct military operations without congressional authorization, followed by a narrow 30-day period to wind down forces. That clock expires this week and requires lawmakers to either authorize the war or force a withdrawal, setting up a potential legal and constitutional showdown if neither happens."

DEADLINE

Posted earlier, perhaps you missed it. Another nothing burger.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3597662/replies/72260124

Nevermind, not worth addressing.

Ogre09 said:

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The way to defeat Iran permanently is by taking their oil wealth. In a few weeks days, their oil customers will begin arriving in the Southern ports of Louisiana/ Texas with large tankers. Japan will load in Alaska and China already has ships dedicated to Venezuela thanks to the short sided vision of Maduro.

One day in the very near future, their American ships will be gone from the SOH. Iran will be left to their pissed off neighbors to clean up.

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That's not how commodity markets work. There's no brand loyalty for crude. The buyers follow prices when the tankers aren't blocked by war ships.

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Not disagreeing with that, current DEPENDABLE long term contracts have stipulations on current daily world oil prices per grades, etc. therefore a new oil source entering the market must be reliable else the buyer will just stick with his current supplier.

Because of the actions of Trump, Iranian contractual oil sales are under a Force majeure, can't be met.

Opportunities are now opening up for the USA, this is why I believe he blocked their ports as his interest is with the flooding of foreign money into the businesses of the USA.

bobbranco said:

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Suggest you start another thread instead of derailing the Iran thread with your conversation about Mexico.

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Not a detail and not going into all the issues on this thread.

Just pointing out the political fallout of the Iran attack and reasons given for it by the president when applied to Mexico the priority should have been Mexico.

Imminent threat
Killing of Americans
Previous presidents should have done something but punted

74OA said:

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A May 1 deadline threatens to make continued military action in Iran unlawful without congressional approval. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, this congress chooses to do.

"The War Powers Resolution is a federal law giving U.S. presidents 60 days to conduct military operations without congressional authorization, followed by a narrow 30-day period to wind down forces. That clock expires this week and requires lawmakers to either authorize the war or force a withdrawal, setting up a potential legal and constitutional showdown if neither happens."

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lol

AGHouston11 said:

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bobbranco said:

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Suggest you start another thread instead of derailing the Iran thread with your conversation about Mexico.

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Not a detail and not going into all the issues on this thread.

Just pointing out the political fallout of the Iran attack and reasons given for it by the president when applied to Mexico the priority should have been Mexico.

Imminent threat
Killing of Americans
Previous presidents should have done something but punted

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Mexico does exponentially more harm to the USA than Iran could ever do in their wildest dreams. It's a great point.

We're in Iran for monetary reasons, maybe one day we'll find out how much money and resources changed hands and to whom they went.

Congress could do nothing

President Trump's continues to put pressure on China via Iran:

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For once, it is China that is taking the immediate brunt of the supply chain shock. It produces barely 15pc of its own helium needs. All the rest comes from Qatar and Russia.
"Mainland Chinese fabs (foundries) could run out in a matter of weeks," said the research group Trivium China. Air Liquide has already declared "force majeure" on its sales to China.
America is sitting pretty in one sense. It is the world's biggest helium producer with two fifths of the market.

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Free link to the entire article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3c986621b29a1bd0

China is arsehoe.

Iran is prob calculating if they can possibly hold out until a new POTUS in 28'. They're definitely going to hold out until near term congress/media ramp up opposition. If needed, the IRGC will let the midterm cycle wipe away any remaining war cheerleaders.

Trump is slowly learning his threats aren't expediting a deal. Its starting to look like claiming victory and dumping the fallout mess on Netanyahu's lap, may be his only way to save face if Congress doesnt bail him out. US boots on the ground would be a bridge to far for Trump. Im guessing he pivots to blaming congress for ending his ME nuke salvation tour....he would much rather bash Massie and Rand, than the powerful Israel first forces.

MarvZindler said:

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Iran is prob calculating if they can possibly hold out until a new POTUS in 28'. They're definitely going to hold out until near term congress/media ramp up opposition. If needed, the IRGC will let the midterm cycle wipe away any remaining war cheerleaders.

Trump is slowly learning his threats aren't expediting a deal. Its starting to look like claiming victory and dumping the fallout mess on Netanyahu's lap, may be his only way to save face if Congress doesnt bail him out. US boots on the ground would be a bridge to far for Trump. Im guessing he pivots to blaming congress for ending his ME nuke salvation tour....he would much rather bash Massie and Rand, than the powerful Israel first forces.

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Yeah, gonna have to disagree with that.

If Trump does a ground invasion, we will then know for certain he has been compromised by Israel, IMO. At that point, we probably get Tulsi to pull a Joe Kent on steroids.

As impulsive as Trump has been, he still doesn't want to be the POTUS remembered for flag draped caskets returning from Iran. He will talk tough until he can blame someone for cutting off funds.

He's desperate for an off-ramp. For the sake of the world economy I hope he finds one or can find something to spin as a win.

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If Trump does a ground invasion, we will then know for certain he has been compromised by Israel, IMO. At that point, we probably get Tulsi to pull a Joe Kent on steroids.

As impulsive as Trump has been, he still doesn't want to be the POTUS remembered for flag draped caskets returning from Iran. He will talk tough until he can blame someone for cutting off funds.

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In an ideal world, I would agree with you. Unfortunately I do not think Trump is in control of this situation (and hasn't been for years). There is no off ramp at this point. Trump is not going to back down, and neither is Iran. So that means further escalation.

there is no scenario where iran can slow play this until 2028

I do not think Iran is going to be able to slow walk this until next week much less 2028.

Are these reports and projections coming from other posters based on their direct knowledge of happenings on the ground?

It's amazing to me there is such wide access to information to support the BiBi's leading Trump by the shorthairs, but they seem to know more than everyone about Iran's capabilities both historically and after Epic Fury and now Economic Fury.

Glad we have these threads though where this information can be discussed.

You forgot to add that these same insiders were dead wrong about every single thing they said would happen last year regarding Iran, but they have now been hit by the staff of enlightenment and now have a clear vision of what is to come.

Im Gipper said:

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You forgot to add that these same insiders were dead wrong about every single thing they said would happen last year regarding Iran, but they have now been hit by the staff of enlightenment and now have a clear vision of what is to come.

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They get real spiced around here when you mention moderation…

But yes, being wrong persistently is not a headwind for some. See Tim Walz bragging about stopping fraud in MN and judges saying we cannot deport MILLIONS of illegals because it's too disruptive to society.

Only way they are holding out until 2028 is if they are going to sacrifice all modern amenities and transition country to Taliban level Islam. Living in caves and huts.

Are they that dedicated to the cause?

The regime is dedicated to the cause that much. The other 80% not so much.

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Only way they are holding out until 2028 is if they are going to sacrifice all modern amenities and transition country to Taliban level Islam. Living in caves and huts.

Are they that dedicated to the cause?

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I dont think holding out to 2028 is the plan, but I'm sure the IRGC is considering the possibility there is a pause/hurdle in US, that causes a prolonged period of limited pressure against them, until a new admin. Other countries think longer term than us.

That said, there are key hurdles in the near term that the IRGC has more focus on. Funding (in weeks) and midterms (in months) specifically. Their cause is self preservation. Our cause looks more and more like a political victory for Trump to proclaim he saved us from a nuclear holocaust a 4th time (if he can get the Israel First crowd off his back).

This is all just a rational projection of possibilities. Its not meant to offend Jewish Americans or "root for the terrorists". I'm aware that the Iranian parliament chanted "death to America" after we killed a beloved military leader of theirs. I'm also aware that many believe the slogan "they must never have nukes" is enough justification for our Exec Branch to expend American lives and major taxpayer funds. I just dont see much value in that echo chamber of ME war cheerleading.

Preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to terroristic fanatical regimes is now not worthy of the strength and force of the US military…?

I am glad such thoughts are now shown to be woefully naive again. World had to learn these lessons back in WWII.

Stopping Hitler from conquering the world was one thing. Stopping Hitler from possessing a nuclear weapon in furthering that goal was also a huge military operation and expense of US lives and treasure. And thank god we had the resolve then and the resolve now to be proactive.

Some people evidently believe that as long as it just the Jews who get nuked, then the rest of us will live in peace with jihadists who chant Death to America for nearly 50 years.

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Stopping Hitler from conquering the world was one thing. Stopping Hitler from possessing a nuclear weapon in furthering that goal was also a huge military operation and expense of US lives and treasure. And thank god we had the resolve then and the resolve now to be proactive

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You might want to check your history on this.

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Preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to terroristic fanatical regimes is now not worthy of the strength and force of the US military…?

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As long as nukes exist alongside fanatical muslim/communist dictators, this argument can be made in perpetuity. Likewise, perpetual victory can be proclaimed if military or diplomatic action ends with no nuke fallout.

As I pointed out, Trump already proclaimed he has saved the world from "nuclear holocaust" at least 3 times already. Op AIPAC Fury will be the 4th time. Since we haven't yet died from climate change, the left could similarly claim climatologists/bureaucrats have been saving us from extinction with all the "green" measures.

At some point, the validity of such provocative claims should be evaluated. Many of us do just that, while others on each side parrot the fear mongering rehtoric to benefit the powers that be.

It seems like people only attended history class when they taught WW2. Hitler seems to be the only thing people are capable of referencing.

what is true is that slow playing against the US is the playbook. draw out the conflict as long as possible

FIDO_Ags said:

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Stopping Hitler from conquering the world was one thing. Stopping Hitler from possessing a nuclear weapon in furthering that goal was also a huge military operation and expense of US lives and treasure. And thank god we had the resolve then and the resolve now to be proactive

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You might want to check your history on this.

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I think I am good.

Folks like Hahn & Strassmann , followed by Meitner & Frisch, the original Heisenberg and the Uranverein all PREceeded the Manhattan project. The effort to lure scientists away from the Nazis and to sabotage their ongoing efforts were not insignificant events.

A mild weather during winter 41-42, better planning of the invasion of Russia by the Germans that summer, and the success by Allied forces in the Battle of the Atlantic in the Summer of 1943, that easily could have swung the other way all led to a different outcome.

But to pretend the Nazis were not working towards one and that they very well could have succeeded is being very ignorant of history.

MarvZindler said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to terroristic fanatical regimes is now not worthy of the strength and force of the US military…?

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As long as nukes exist alongside fanatical muslim/communist dictators, this argument can be made in perpetuity. Likewise, perpetual victory can be proclaimed if military or diplomatic action ends with no nuke fallout.

As I pointed out, Trump already proclaimed he has saved the world from "nuclear holocaust" at least 3 times already. Op AIPAC Fury will be the 4th time. Since we haven't yet died from climate change, the left could similarly claim climatologists/bureaucrats have been saving us from extinction with all the "green" measures.

At some point, the validity of such provocative claims should be evaluated. Many of us do just that, while others on each side parrot the fear mongering rehtoric to benefit the powers that be.

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What is AIPAC Fury? I am unfamiliar with the term but have seen you use it several times. My understanding is that the operations are formally Epic Fury and Economic Fury.

Do you have a link to this AIPAC Fury operation?

Also, you deny that Iran chanted Death to America, had a nuclear weapons program, and have enriched Uranium to 60% (or greater) which serve no other purpose than to develop a nuclear weapon?

Do you deny they misrepresented their ballistic missile programs to go beyond defense of country and now possess the range to reliability strike targets across Asia and Europe?

Do you deny that Iran has funded terrorist proxies that have wounded and murdered countless Americans, American soldiers and those of our friends and allies?

Do you further deny that Iran has directly killed hundreds of Americans, including soldiers, for the past 47 years?

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It seems like people only attended history class when they taught WW2. Hitler seems to be the only thing people are capable of referencing.

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Hitler wanted a nuke badly and invented the rocket that could deliver it. But yea, referencing Hitler is so yesterday. We are just supposed to call people Hitler, not reference actual history.

What was taught in your elementary history class by your favorite coach neckbeard may not have provided you an accurate picture.

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what is true is that slow playing against the US is the playbook. draw out the conflict as long as possible

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Well, a variety of US presidents from both parties have been appeasing this playbook for 47 years.

Trump is fixing it. How about get behind a good thing? A great thing?

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flown-the-coop said:

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Preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to terroristic fanatical regimes is now not worthy of the strength and force of the US military…?

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As long as nukes exist alongside fanatical muslim/communist dictators, this argument can be made in perpetuity. Likewise, perpetual victory can be proclaimed if military or diplomatic action ends with no nuke fallout.

As I pointed out, Trump already proclaimed he has saved the world from "nuclear holocaust" at least 3 times already. Op AIPAC Fury will be the 4th time. Since we haven't yet died from climate change, the left could similarly claim climatologists/bureaucrats have been saving us from extinction with all the "green" measures.

At some point, the validity of such provocative claims should be evaluated. Many of us do just that, while others on each side parrot the fear mongering rehtoric to benefit the powers that be.

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What is AIPAC Fury? I am unfamiliar with the term but have seen you use it several times. My understanding is that the operations are formally Epic Fury and Economic Fury.

Do you have a link to this AIPAC Fury operation?

Also, you deny that Iran chanted Death to America, had a nuclear weapons program, and have enriched Uranium to 60% (or greater) which serve no other purpose than to develop a nuclear weapon?

Do you deny they misrepresented their ballistic missile programs to go beyond defense of country and now possess the range to reliability strike targets across Asia and Europe?

Do you deny that Iran has funded terrorist proxies that have wounded and murdered countless Americans, American soldiers and those of our friends and allies?

Do you further deny that Iran has directly killed hundreds of Americans, including soldiers, for the past 47 years?

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AIPAC is a Jewish lobbying organization.

He's saying that everything we're doing with Iran is only because the Jews gave money to everyone and that's why we're there.

Here I thought the Jews were taking money and now they are giving it away? It's so hard to keep up with all the nefarious things those guys are up to.

So they paid enough money to rename Epic Fury to AIPAC Fury? Didn't know you could sell the naming rights to folks.

Thanks for clarifying.

At my school, coaches coached and teachers taught. I have a very solid grasp of history. I'm not like some leftist mouth breather that always cries "WW2", "Nazis" and "Hitler"

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At my school, coaches coached and teachers taught. I have a very solid grasp of history. I'm not like some leftist mouth breather that always cries "WW2", "Nazis" and "Hitler"

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Instead, you always cry "AIPAC," "Isreeeeal" and "Bibi"