Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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I would just like to say that others on here that said Trump would ignore the War Powers Act and keep attacking are wrong almost a week after the 60 days is up and we are one month into a cease fire that has so far held.

You should be eating some level of crow as well. Where are you?? Keyno?
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Wish we could get an analysis like this on their water situation. That is as bad or worse than their O&G situation if what Iran has said about it in the past holds true. We are talking catastrophic humanitarian crisis if/when the water runs out.
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sts7049 said:

"finishing them forever" is not an actual viable option

Actually not only is it a 'viable option', it will happen. The real question is defining what 'finishing them forever' actually means.

Let's start with what it does not mean. It does not mean genocidal wiping out of 90 million people. It does not even mean the same as we did to Germany and Japan in WWII. So if that is your definition of 'finishing them forever" then you are right, that is not a viable option, because it is not the option in play here.

What it does mean.

The RADICAL ISLAMIC regime of Iran (Arayans) will be thorougly trampled into the ground to never return or gain power again.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

What is disturbing is that many (especially Obama -- Valery Jarret is Iranian and Muslim -- and Rinos hope that the US fails here, - (they won't) just because they hate Trump, because he is smashing to bits and inflicting a 'mortal wound' on their globalist system.

I am one of the few who truly understands all the politics of ALL the players involved here. And you cannot remove the 'religious' aspect of it. I know what the Arab Spring was about, who fomented it (Obama) and what the realignment of the dominos that it caused.
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Tell us more OPAG!
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Some cracks forming in Iran.
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Rider76 said:

Tell us more OPAG!

That would take quite a bit of time to lay out, of which I have little and all it would draw is the

TLDR memes. and ad hominin attacks. LOL
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Shocked this guy hasn't been killed by the IRGC yet.
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The threshold is above what happened yesterday as Hegseth and Kane explained.

What you seek is not something that you will find nor need to know. HTH.
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OPAG said:

Rider76 said:

Tell us more OPAG!

That would take quite a bit of time to lay out, of which I have little and all it would draw is the

TLDR memes. and ad hominin attacks. LOL

Any attempt to show critical thinking and in depth knowledge of the situation is usually met with calls that you are a know it all and related to some Barnes guy.

I actually think you scatter shot some decent analysis up there.

I will say that the Arab Spring was much more about a resurgence in the Muslim Brotherhood.

If folks want to extend the blame for the ****storm that has been the Middle East for 100+ years to include those beyond the French, Brits, League of Nations, and Ms Woodrow Wilson, a great place to start would be the writings and activities of one Hassan al-Banna.

His influence persists today and has been conscripted by some of the most terror focused, Jew killin, western culture hatin fool.
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TRM said:

Some cracks forming in Iran.


Bla, Bla, Bla.

If Iran's leadership was serious, they would tell the Iran Army to attack the IRGC. They are two different entities and they both have guns. This narrative "well the IRGCC has the guns" is true, but their regular Army has guns also. I don't know what their Army is actually doing.

Seems to me that they are just using the excuse of one side vs the other to stall.
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Think you are correct in that it's a stall tactic.

Now, was the guy phrasing on "shanks it in the bunker" as opposed to "gets shanked in the bunker"?

And what's the animal wearing a suit.
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OPAG said:

sts7049 said:

"finishing them forever" is not an actual viable option

Actually not only is it a 'viable option', it will happen. The real question is defining what 'finishing them forever' actually means.

Let's start with what it does not mean. It does not mean genocidal wiping out of 90 million people. It does not even mean the same as we did to Germany and Japan in WWII. So if that is your definition of 'finishing them forever" then you are right, that is not a viable option, because it is not the option in play here.

What it does mean.

The RADICAL ISLAMIC regime of Iran (Arayans) will be thorougly trampled into the ground to never return or gain power again.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

What is disturbing is that many (especially Obama -- Valery Jarret is Iranian and Muslim -- and Rinos hope that the US fails here, - (they won't) just because they hate Trump, because he is smashing to bits and inflicting a 'mortal wound' on their globalist system.

I am one of the few who truly understands all the politics of ALL the players involved here. And you cannot remove the 'religious' aspect of it. I know what the Arab Spring was about, who fomented it (Obama) and what the realignment of the dominos that it caused.


certainly not the former. but I don't think I agree on the latter either. you can't eliminate thoughts or mindsets of people with war. you can certainly reduce its effect, for a period of time, but minds of people are never fully accessible. so you either eliminate the people or you find a way to minimize the negative as much as practical
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Quote:


Any attempt to show critical thinking and in depth knowledge of the situation is usually met with calls that you are a know it all and related to some Barnes guy.



there is only one (known) of those around here, and most know who it is
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IDK but if this lasts another 2 months than Rs will get whipped in the midterms. You are going to need to open the strait asap, while fighting and keeping the blockade. Fully get the strait open, gas prices fall no one will care anymore. Strait is priority #1 in my book

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completely agree, except for I think the recovery of prices will take longer than that
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2026NCAggies said:

IDK but if this lasts another 2 months than Rs will get whipped in the midterms. You are going to need to open the strait asap, while fighting and keeping the blockade. Fully get the strait open, gas prices fall no one will care anymore. Strait is priority #1 in my book


My calendars says the midterms are 6 months away.

And currently Dem enthusiasm remains BELOW the Rs. So this idea of an incoming blue wave is nonsense.

But I do not think we are 2 months away from this resolving to a large extent.

If Iran scores a hit on Project Freedom, the kinetic action that ensues will indeed be epic.
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OPAG said:


The RADICAL ISLAMIC regime of Iran (Arayans) will be thorougly trampled into the ground to never return or gain power again.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.


Does this mean total dissolution of the IRGC and replacement with a completely new Israel/America approved regime?

As it stands now, the numerous deaths of IRGC leads and massive destruction of their conventional military assets, could be spun into "thorough trampling never to return to power". In fact, Trump has already repeatedly claimed total victory complete with regime change.

Its been challenging to discuss these different outcomes because they have all been re-defined day to day.

There will be no actual replacement of the IRGC unless there is a US ground invasion. So you are essentially saying we are about to do a massive ground invasion.
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2026NCAggies said:

IDK but if this lasts another 2 months than Rs will get whipped in the midterms. You are going to need to open the strait asap, while fighting and keeping the blockade. Fully get the strait open, gas prices fall no one will care anymore. Strait is priority #1 in my book



That's going to happen anyway...even before the war started, Trump made sure of that.
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Many Dems are conflicted. The hate Trump but also hate Iran.
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MarvZindler said:

OPAG said:


The RADICAL ISLAMIC regime of Iran (Arayans) will be thorougly trampled into the ground to never return or gain power again.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.


Does this mean total dissolution of the IRGC and replacement with a completely new Israel/America approved regime?

As it stands now, the numerous deaths of IRGC leads and massive destruction of their conventional military assets, could be spun into "thorough trampling never to return to power". In fact, Trump has already repeatedly claimed total victory complete with regime change.

Its been challenging to discuss these different outcomes because they have all been re-defined day to day.

There will be no actual replacement of the IRGC unless there is a US ground invasion. So you are essentially saying we are about to do a massive ground invasion.

Once again the "regime" in Iran is not just the IRGC. They have a separate military, the Artesh, they have a president and a parliament, they have various security organizations like the Sepah.

The IRGC is much talked about and to a great extent is the front line of enforcement of the regime, but the decision making power rested primarily with the Supreme Leader and his "council".

You not understanding that I think is a big problem with trying to understand the remainder of your post(s) and why you may have trouble with it being "re-defined day to day". It's not, you just do not seem to have a strong understanding of Iran.
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ShotOver said:

2026NCAggies said:

IDK but if this lasts another 2 months than Rs will get whipped in the midterms. You are going to need to open the strait asap, while fighting and keeping the blockade. Fully get the strait open, gas prices fall no one will care anymore. Strait is priority #1 in my book



That's going to happen anyway...even before the war started, Trump made sure of that.

Defeatists are a bizarre group. So over 8 months out Trump lost the midterms because….?
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MarvZindler said:

OPAG said:


The RADICAL ISLAMIC regime of Iran (Arayans) will be thorougly trampled into the ground to never return or gain power again.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.


Does this mean total dissolution of the IRGC and replacement with a completely new Israel/America approved regime?

As it stands now, the numerous deaths of IRGC leads and massive destruction of their conventional military assets, could be spun into "thorough trampling never to return to power". In fact, Trump has already repeatedly claimed total victory complete with regime change.

Its been challenging to discuss these different outcomes because they have all been re-defined day to day.

There will be no actual replacement of the IRGC unless there is a US ground invasion. So you are essentially saying we are about to do a massive ground invasion.

You keep pushing everything into a false immediate dichotomy. He's talking about the Islamic Regime in Iran is untenable long term both internally and externally. Whether it's Ahmoud the IRGC Commander changing how he goes about things in life that changes or if it is the world changing Ahmoud, the situation WILL BE changed, whether it is on Thursday or on a Thursday in 8 months or 2 years.
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would love to hear the dummies explain how Rubio is incorrect here:

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LMCane said:

would love to hear the dummies explain how Rubio is incorrect here:



I wish he had a map that he could X out capitals & show that there are 5 sea choke points that Iran's missiles could hit.
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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He's been very good today both in content and delivery.

Very loose, engaging, embracing the humor.

He should pull out the DJ kit then drop the mike on exit. He's earned it today.
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Insane in the membrane, LOL. He is still pontificating his MC moment.
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This part was fun.

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Iranian regime melts down over...blue checkmarks being removed from their accounts on X.
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X has now removed the blue check from Iran's MFA Spokesperson's accountafter stripping the Ministry and Minister's verified badgesdespite our full Premium+ payments. This arbitrary de-verification fits X's pattern of selective censorship and American digital piracy, aimed at suppressing the truth about the U.S.' illegal war against Iran.

Oh, boo hoo. Cry more. I thought you were a "superpower," and you're complaining about a checkmark?
They're lucky they are even allowed to be on X at all.

But what is truly offensive about this is that Baghaei is throwing a fit about a checkmark while the regime has cut off the internet for regular Iranian people for more than two months now. That's harmed people and businesses greatly in the process, cutting them off from friends and family. It's even hurt the economy, which doesn't help the regime, but the regime likely believes that they are stopping people who might want to protest or communicate against the government. If you're posting from Iran now, you're either connected to the regime or you're sneaking the internet through a VPN, with what is likely a costly workaround that may get you in deep trouble.



Talk about some pathetic petty crap. I don't think even the French or Brits would cry like this.
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Rossticus said:

This part was fun.



SO ****ING DO SOMETING ABOUT IT!!

SCOTUS is an actual body of government, you know.

DAMN!!!
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Quote:

SO ****ING DO SOMETING ABOUT IT!!

SCOTUS is an actual body of government, you know.

DAMN!!!

SCOTUS does not issue advisory opinions. They need an actual case on which to rule whether the WPA is constitutional or not.
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aggiehawg said:

Quote:

SO ****ING DO SOMETING ABOUT IT!!

SCOTUS is an actual body of government, you know.

DAMN!!!

SCOTUS does not issue advisory opinions. They need an actual case on which to rule whether the WPA is constitutional or not.

Take an actual case to the SCOTUS. Challenge it.
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who do you want to bring a case and what do you think it would even request for relief?


the supreme court would say "political question" on this.

there are two ways for congress to enforce the war powers act. money and impeachment. its not a question for the courts.
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Science Denier said:

aggiehawg said:

Quote:

SO ****ING DO SOMETING ABOUT IT!!

SCOTUS is an actual body of government, you know.

DAMN!!!

SCOTUS does not issue advisory opinions. They need an actual case on which to rule whether the WPA is constitutional or not.

Take an actual case to the SCOTUS. Challenge it.

Why? Even if SCOTUS says it's good to go, it's got no teef.

Congress can defund the DoW or they can impeach, convict and remove. Until January 2029, those be their options.

WPA not even a good use as toilet paper.
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BMX Bandit said:

who do you want to bring a case and what do you think it would even request for relief?


the supreme court would say "political question" on this.

there are two ways for congress to enforce the war powers act. money and impeachment. its not a question for the courts.

This is the case even WITHOUT the war powers act
You can turn off signatures, btw
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BMX Bandit said:

who do you want to bring a case and what do you think it would even request for relief?


the supreme court would say "political question" on this.

there are two ways for congress to enforce the war powers act. money and impeachment. its not a question for the courts.

Tend to agree. I didn't add the questions on who would have standing. But that is a legit issue. As you pointed out, Trump can't challenge a congressional action under either cutting the purse strings or impeachment. Courts have no jurisdiction over those political battles.
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