Queso1 said:

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Didn't accomplish a single thing. Back to where we were, but with depleted armaments and high oil prices. What a joke.

Of course most here were waiting for them to say what objectives were met so they could celebrate them.

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Can you outline what you read regarding the negotiated deal? I haven't seen anything, so I assume you have read the agreement and can give us the details we are lacking.

Thank you!

Weekend markets rallying, oil down 7%

Hoping it's a good deal.


Funny how some are already convinced of good/bad before it's even known!

AxelFoley85 said:

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A deal is happening.

If a deal is struck to end the Iranian conflict because it is believed that the Strait of Hormuz cannot be protected from Iranian terrorism and Iran still possesses the capability to destroy major Gulf oil infrastructure, then Iran will be perceived as being a dominate force…

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) May 23, 2026

BREAKING: President Trump says an agreement with Iran has been “largely negotiated” and will be announced shortly.

Trump says the Strait of Hormuz will be reopened under the agreement. pic.twitter.com/LL9xYsWMKg

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) May 23, 2026

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It seems like we get this every weekend. Trump tweets a deal is almost complete. Then Iran will say it's not.

Maybe I'm in denial but I just keep thinking there is no way Trump will make this big a fool of himself with such a terrible deal

Is he sitting on a closed strait to drive the petro dollar? Yea for sure


But making a deal where Iran controls the strait & they keep nukes? It would undo everything great he's done up to this point

Pichael Thompson said:

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Maybe I'm in denial but I just keep thinking there is no way Trump will make this big a fool of himself with such a terrible deal

Is he sitting on a closed strait to drive the petro dollar? Yea for sure


But making a deal where Iran controls the strait & they keep nukes? It would undo everything great he's done up to this point

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He's trying to thread the political needle at this point. He's going to claim victory from standpoint of destroying the vast majority of their military infrastructure and getting the strait reopened while punting the nuclear football into negotiations. What he had to give to do this will be hand waved.

From a domestic standpoint, markets will go up and oil will drop which most people here will celebrate. Overall, it will be a "win" and it helps get Republicans out of some hot water for mid-terms.

His ultimate get on the nuke front will be some agreed upon cap like this that Iran will start breaking by year 2:

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Trump had repeatedly promised to deliver an agreement which would impose stricter controls on Iran's nuclear program than the 2015 nuclear deal he pulled the U.S. out of in 2018. That included at least 15-year caps on the amount and purity of enriched uranium Tehran could produce.

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I would bet a ton of money we aren't getting their existing uranium or dust or whatever it is we are calling it. Too costly from multiple angles.

& Iran controlling the strait?

He can say it's a win all he wants but if he allows Iran to charge toll on the strait then this entire exercise was a loss

Nobody gives af what shape iran's infrastructure is in





Hopefully this is all another one of his mind games, and he's about to level these clowns

As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

Who knows, man. He's completely unpredictable. Could be a deal, could be another head fake, could be a diversion while we take out Raul tonight, etc.

Seems like he's leaning deal but I could be wrong.

I do think we are never getting that nuke dust no matter what happens with anything else.

Pichael Thompson said:

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Maybe I'm in denial but I just keep thinking there is no way Trump will make this big a fool of himself with such a terrible deal

Is he sitting on a closed strait to drive the petro dollar? Yea for sure


But making a deal where Iran controls the strait & they keep nukes? It would undo everything great he's done up to this point

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We have no leverage. We either invade Iran or strengthen Iran.

Iran’s official military spokesperson Ibrahim Al-Fiqar shared this AI-generated image of Donald Trump bowing before Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei with the caption “The end..” pic.twitter.com/mvYHdKQ1MU

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) May 23, 2026

This guy also bragging about how Iran controls the strait and is not going to give up their Uranium

Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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lol. That's certainly not going to help negotiations.

Gordo14 said:

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This guy also bragging about how Iran controls the strait and is not going to give up their Uranium

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And some Americans say the same seditious bullcrap

Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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Suggest you don't believe every political pundit, opinion piece or so called honest journalist.

I guess that Axios reporter had legit sources on the MOU story after all. Trump and Rubio were two of his direct sources.

I don't think this next round of negotiations will succeed. In fact it might not last for even a week.

Anything short of regime change is a disappointment. Anything short of Iran abandoning their nuclear pursuits and delivering any and all nuclear material is an abject failure.

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Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

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Agreed.

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YouBet said:

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Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

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Agreed.

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Is it? Iran now owns the world's most strategic oil choke point in the world and gets to dictate how and at what cost some 20MM barrels of oil per day enters the market? Forget OPEC, Iran controls OPEC now. If oil prices drop to $80, will Iran shut in Kuwait and Iraq and 5MM/day from Saudi? Oil goes to $150 they'll just charge them all $1/bbl. The significance is understated by those that just don't want to admit that this has long term and serious consequences.

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DeschutesAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

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Agreed.

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Is it? Iran now owns the world's most strategic oil choke point in the world and gets to dictate how and at what cost some 20MM barrels of oil per day enters the market? Forget OPEC, Iran controls OPEC now. If oil prices drop to $80, will Iran shut in Kuwait and Iraq and 5MM/day from Saudi? Oil goes to $150 they'll just charge them all $1/bbl. The significance is understated by those that just don't want to admit that this has long term and serious consequences.

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Yes, it is. Objective people can recognize this has been a mixed bag of wins and losses. To counter your point, everyone around them are developing alternative paths now because the world now realizes it can't be beholden to Iran for moving oil. That will take time but it's happening.

And you are ignoring that their conventional military is gone and their proxies are largely destroyed. They have zero ability to stop future air operations and Russia and China are not in a position to re-arm them.

It's just a ridiculous statement but expected because almost 100% of your posts are TDS laced rants.

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DeschutesAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

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Agreed.

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Is it? Iran now owns the world's most strategic oil choke point in the world and gets to dictate how and at what cost some 20MM barrels of oil per day enters the market? Forget OPEC, Iran controls OPEC now. If oil prices drop to $80, will Iran shut in Kuwait and Iraq and 5MM/day from Saudi? Oil goes to $150 they'll just charge them all $1/bbl. The significance is understated by those that just don't want to admit that this has long term and serious consequences.

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is no deal yet and there is a third country at play which does not want a deal

Gordo14 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Gordo14 said:

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As I've been saying. We clearly lost the war because our ability to enforce political consequences on Iran were less than Iran's ability to impose political consequences on us.

This is the largest strategic defeat in modern American history. Sure we didn't lose soldiers like we did in Vietnam or Iraq, but the long range political consequences are substantial worse for American interests. If only the most predictable outcome wasn't thoughtfully considered before we started. Iran is now much stronger and the regime far more stable than we started.

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This is extreme hyperbole. My goodness.

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Agreed.

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Is it? Iran now owns the world's most strategic oil choke point in the world and gets to dictate how and at what cost some 20MM barrels of oil per day enters the market? Forget OPEC, Iran controls OPEC now. If oil prices drop to $80, will Iran shut in Kuwait and Iraq and 5MM/day from Saudi? Oil goes to $150 they'll just charge them all $1/bbl. The significance is understated by those that just don't want to admit that this has long term and serious consequences.

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Gordo: I agree it is definitely a very stupid cluster job by the Trump regime. But it is not as bad as you think. At least, not yet.

'Nam and the Iraq invasion / occupation were worse mistakes. I'm in my 70's. There is some eyewitness to history perspective in me saying that.

However, here is a caveat. This Iran "hot war" Trump and Netanyahu started is far from over. It could easily escalate into a major war. In which case, your assessment becomes a lot more accurate.

This nails it!

I am deeply concerned about what we are hearing about an Iran “deal,” being pushed by some voices in the administration.

President Trump’s decision to strike Iran was the most consequential decision of his second term. He was right to do so, and we achieved extraordinary…

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) May 24, 2026

Don't listen to the people that have been pushing Iran lies the past year.

Im Gipper said:

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This nails it!

I am deeply concerned about what we are hearing about an Iran “deal,” being pushed by some voices in the administration.

President Trump’s decision to strike Iran was the most consequential decision of his second term. He was right to do so, and we achieved extraordinary…

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) May 24, 2026

Don't listen to the people that have been pushing Iran lies the past year.

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Yes it does. Let's continue this blinking contest halfway across the globe that is working wonders for middle class Americans right now. Tough Ted is nails.

Im Gipper said:

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This nails it!

I am deeply concerned about what we are hearing about an Iran “deal,” being pushed by some voices in the administration.

President Trump’s decision to strike Iran was the most consequential decision of his second term. He was right to do so, and we achieved extraordinary…

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) May 24, 2026

Don't listen to the people that have been pushing Iran lies the past year.

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Why is Ted Cruz pushing this obvious lie that we have destroyed all of Iran's missiles and drones. If Iran has no missiles and drones, how exactly are they closing the Strait?

If this reported "deal" is true, Trump folded like an old tent. Unbelievable! I can no longer support him if true. He apparently posted it on TS, so, ugh! What a disgusting failure?

lol! So now we have 3 factions of the Conservative Party!

1. Those that think the war was unnecessary and pressed by foreign influence and the military industrial complex. And believe that this peace deal is sham status quo and it's been a huge waste of resources. These are original MAGA folks.

2. The Ted Cruz pro-Israel faction that wants Iran wiped off the planet, and think this peace deal is an abomination.

3. The ever-Trumpers. They'll go along with whatever he says

I have been an ardent supporter of Trump since he came down the escalator to announce he was running for President the first go round, but this "deal" if signed with these conditions is beyond embarrassing. With that said, would one of you tech Ags please AI Trump's face on this pic below. I'd like to use it elsewhere. TIA

ProgN said:

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I have been an ardent supporter of Trump since he came down the escalator to announce he was running for President the first go round, but this "deal" if signed with these conditions is beyond embarrassing. With that said, would one of you tech Ags please AI Trump's face on this pic below. I'd like to use it elsewhere. TIA

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Man if you're still with him at this point you might as well go down with the ship.

But don't worry, they're probably putting this out to split test reactions from the population. They're in a really bad spot and would probably love nothing more than to get out, but they've sold some people this lie so hard that now some of them actually believe it.

I imagine we'll bomb them a few more times and then figure out a way to lie about confiscating their nukes so Trump can claim a somewhat believable victory. I doubt Trump will settle for something as embarrassing as your worried about.

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ProgN said:

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I have been an ardent supporter of Trump since he came down the escalator to announce he was running for President the first go round, but this "deal" if signed with these conditions is beyond embarrassing. With that said, would one of you tech Ags please AI Trump's face on this pic below. I'd like to use it elsewhere. TIA

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Man if you're still with him at this point you might as well go down with the ship.

But don't worry, they're probably putting this out to split test reactions from the population. They're in a really bad spot and would probably love nothing more than to get out, but they've sold some people this lie so hard that now some of them actually believe it.

I imagine we'll bomb them a few more times and then figure out a way to lie about confiscating their nukes so Trump can claim a somewhat believable victory. I doubt Trump will settle for something as embarrassing as your worried about.

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FWTXAg said:

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ProgN said:

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I have been an ardent supporter of Trump since he came down the escalator to announce he was running for President the first go round, but this "deal" if signed with these conditions is beyond embarrassing. With that said, would one of you tech Ags please AI Trump's face on this pic below. I'd like to use it elsewhere. TIA

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Man if you're still with him at this point you might as well go down with the ship.

But don't worry, they're probably putting this out to split test reactions from the population. They're in a really bad spot and would probably love nothing more than to get out, but they've sold some people this lie so hard that now some of them actually believe it.

I imagine we'll bomb them a few more times and then figure out a way to lie about confiscating their nukes so Trump can claim a somewhat believable victory. I doubt Trump will settle for something as embarrassing as your worried about.

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Hes not running again so what does this even mean? Its dumb

Virtually the entire upper echelon of the Iranian military and government were killed in this war, and over 6,000 Iranian military personnel were killed alongside them.

Almost the entire Iranian navy has been sunk, and over 200 ballistic missile launchers were destroyed, to say… https://t.co/kPNB6waLSd

— Christian Heiens 🏛 (@ChristianHeiens) May 23, 2026