bobbranco said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Im Gipper said:

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This is a good sign.

Early reports about the deal framework appear to be false (thank goodness).

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What early reports are you referring to?

The guy from Axios has been reporting the details for three weeks. His sources were Trump, Rubio, and their direct subordinates. He was given a copy of the MOA that was sent to Iran ten days before the China trip, and he has now been given verbally a detailed outline of what the current MOA draft contains.

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What's MOA???

Also, if the 'reporter' had the the 'MOA' he would have published it.

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Shhhh. Remember to leave logic and reasonableness at the door when it comes to reporting on the Trump Iran disaster.

The boy that cried wolf mentality is tiresome.

Hopefully this starts to put to bed the idea that Axios has Rubio as a "source" on Iran.



https://instagr.am/p/DYuZOj1ETz9

flown-the-coop said:

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Hopefully this starts to put to bed the idea that Axios has Rubio as a "source" on Iran.



https://instagr.am/p/DYuZOj1ETz9

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Do you have a point? Nothing you posted contradicts Axios reporting. What you posted confirmed it.

Sure.

Folks can come to their own conclusions.

BREAKING: Two sources close to Trump's negotiation team say Trump is now completely backing away from the US-Iran deal, under "extreme internal pressure from Israel and its US domestic allies," urging him not to accept Iran‘s terms. After this, Trump posted an image of Mark 84… pic.twitter.com/7PWUMZIOG4

— The Hormuz Letter (@HormuzLetter) May 24, 2026

The Hormuz Letter.

Though probably more reliable than Axios and Reuters and Bloomberg (Walter)…

Feel better?

whytho987654 said:

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This whole situation has been a master cluster

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More like a MOAB

SOH crude oil is being replaced by American and Venezuela crude. The longer it stays closed, the richer our country becomes.

People whining in the USA about the SOH being closed need to look around and realize how blessed they are to be living in the western hemisphere, specifically the good ol USA.

JUST IN - Trump "mandatorily requests" for countries negotiating on the Iran deal to "immediately sign the Abraham Accords," and extends the offer to Iran, if they make a deal. pic.twitter.com/G8aQqQ4i32

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) May 25, 2026

There is no honor in any agreement with the IRGC.

Seems like an overextension that could endanger everything, but I'm not in the room.

You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

This is a no go if I'm Israel:

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Saudi Arabia was close to joining the [Abraham] accords before the war in Gaza, but has since insisted Israel first commit to a path to a Palestinian state.

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The saudi's have millions of acres of empty space they could give to create a 'palestinian state.' And all the money in the world to make it another 'islamic paradise.'

Who?mikejones! said:

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You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

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I think it got off rails at the beginning. Evidently some think the Abraham Accords are an Arab surrender to the Zionists. I don't think they understand much about them. Here is a start for folks.

Since Trump's war and his deal making are in temporary limbo while Trump waits for an answer from the Iran mullahs and IRGC, now is a good time for a quick status check on where things were and where things stand now.

March 6, 2026:

"There will be NO DEAL with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!" -- Trump

It feels like it was years ago when our President Trump declared that to the world. But it was just 11 weeks ago.

May 25, 2026:

There will be no deal? Lol.

Iran must unconditionally surrender? Lol.

Trump's "unconditional surrender" is no longer the red line. Trump's "no deal" is off the table.

For the past 45 days Trump and Rubio have been desperately trying to get Iran to agree to a deal.

Trump wants and needs a deal so badly, he may have even secretly agreed to rescind the USA's $11B arms sale and commitment to Taiwan in a trade to Xi in return for the PRC Communist leader's help in pressuring Iran to make a deal.

How do the American people feel about Trump's war? 65% of Americans oppose it.

Americans didn't want the war. They were never consulted about it. They know it was unnecessary.

Even worse, the American people's elected representatives in Congress were not consulted nor informed about the war.

Think about that. Our U.S. Congress was not informed nor consulted nor even allowed to weigh in on the Trump Administration's plan and decision to take our nation into a risky, costly, 100-percent unnecessary war.

A war that could last for years.

A war the Trump Administration knew would have enormous economic consequences here at home and in every nation on Earth.

Will there be political and electoral consequences in the November 2026 elections? Yes.

If Trump's dealmaking attempt fails and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed and Trump restarts the war, that will have political and economic consequences.

And if the deal Trump is pursuing doesn't get everything he and Rubio have forcefully declared to be their current red line, it means they have tactically won the military objectives yet strategically lost the war.

That too will have political and economic consequences.

I don't really agree with all of this but it's an informed/rational pro-Abraham Accords talking points take, fwiw.

Trump just turned the Abraham Accords into an accountability trap for the Gulf states and Iran walked right into it.

Gulf states like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey have never held Iran accountable is due to exposure. They share a neighborhood. They can't sanction, shame, or… pic.twitter.com/Dft8yxcsQH

— Mehek Cooke🇺🇸 (@MehekCooke) May 25, 2026

nortex97 said:

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I don't really agree with all of this but it's an informed/rational pro-Abraham Accords talking points take, fwiw.

Trump just turned the Abraham Accords into an accountability trap for the Gulf states and Iran walked right into it.

Gulf states like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey have never held Iran accountable is due to exposure. They share a neighborhood. They can't sanction, shame, or… pic.twitter.com/Dft8yxcsQH

— Mehek Cooke🇺🇸 (@MehekCooke) May 25, 2026

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Wait. So now we are doing all of this so that ALL of Israel's regional enemies/competitors are compelled to make peace with them? And this is America First somehow?

bobbranco said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Im Gipper said:

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This is a good sign.

Early reports about the deal framework appear to be false (thank goodness).

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What early reports are you referring to?

The guy from Axios has been reporting the details for three weeks. His sources were Trump, Rubio, and their direct subordinates. He was given a copy of the MOA that was sent to Iran ten days before the China trip, and he has now been given verbally a detailed outline of what the current MOA draft contains.

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What's MOA???

Also, if the 'reporter' had the the 'MOA' he would have published it.

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Memorandum of Agreement...

DeschutesAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Hopefully this starts to put to bed the idea that Axios has Rubio as a "source" on Iran.



https://instagr.am/p/DYuZOj1ETz9

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Do you have a point? Nothing you posted contradicts Axios reporting. What you posted confirmed it.

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You've been claiming that the deal Axios reported would STRENGTHEN Iran.

Rubio LITERALLY said that whatever deal is signed will NOT strengthen Iran.

That is the opposite of confirmation...

Not sure when peace in the middle east became anti-American to the left. Even notorious race communist despicable human Jimmy Carter seemed to favor the arabs making peace with Israel (until he was out of office). Clinton, Obama, and Potatus all claimed to champion this.

Economic and military cooperation/integration with the state of Israel might really appeal for not just a counter to Iran, but for pipelines/ports outside of the Arabian gulf for the ME3 states. It's a positive political outcome of the conflict (secondary but significant vs. the de-nuclearification of the mullahs).

Ag with kids said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Hopefully this starts to put to bed the idea that Axios has Rubio as a "source" on Iran.



https://instagr.am/p/DYuZOj1ETz9

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Do you have a point? Nothing you posted contradicts Axios reporting. What you posted confirmed it.

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You've been claiming that the deal Axios reported would STRENGTHEN Iran.

Rubio LITERALLY said that whatever deal is signed will NOT strengthen Iran.

That is the opposite of confirmation...

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Evidently pointing out their continual falsehoods and misinformation is not welcomed.

In the lengthy post above they are wrong on every point. Starting with the first. Trump is posting THIS MORNING that is a great deal (unconditional surrender i.e. agreeing to all of Trump's terms) or no deal.

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Not sure when peace in the middle east became anti-American to the left. Even notorious race communist despicable human Jimmy Carter seemed to favor the arabs making peace with Israel (until he was out of office). Clinton, Obama, and Potatus all claimed to champion this.

Economic and military cooperation/integration with the state of Israel might really appeal for not just a counter to Iran, but for pipelines/ports outside of the Arabian gulf for the ME3 states. It's a positive political outcome of the conflict (secondary but significant vs. the de-nuclearification of the mullahs).

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Its become a very tenuous line for folks to walk. They have to be careful in criticizing Israel to keep it just about the political angle. From a political angle, peace in the middle east is good for America, the Arab states, and the entire world. But since it includes the Jewish State of Israel, then we must only consider it from that angle in order to further the grand conspiracy.

Meanwhile... this from Trump just a bit ago.

[We have already warned you against trying to turn this thread or others into an anti-Israel agenda. You are free to start a thread of your own that is critical of Israel from a political perspective as long it complies with posting polices, but we are not going to let you hijack other threads with it -- Staff]

Ian Bremer, Columbia professor, Times columnist with a consulting firm focused on Europe and Asia.

He's probably not the best on assessing Trump's intentions, progress and ME strategy.

The JCPOA and its 2nd version allowed Iran to pursue its nuclear ambitions. Trump' plan does not. HTH.

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So these other countries are punished because the US and our greatest friend attacked Iran. The Isreal conspiracies just keep writing new chapters. These other nations have done nothing yet to achieve peace they have to sign on to the Abraham Accords.

This does the opposite of helping the United States. These middle eastern countries are way more important to us then Isreal. When the war started Tucker said it would only benefit Isreal. Was he right? TheTrumpkins will tell us this only makes the middle east safer but it makes it more unsafe. It shows again we put Isreal above our oil producing friends. I only care about helping Americans I'll take cheap plentiful oil over another anything other then our safety every time.

If Epstein wasn't enough proof if this war wasn't enough proof surely the fact we are making middle eastern countries sign the Abraham Accords should be enough to convince everyone Trump is bought or being blackmailed by our greatest friend.

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You might want to loosen your keffiyeh while you're posting your anti-Semitic tripe so you can learn to spell Israel correctly. Misspelling the name of a country 4 times only helps others dismiss your ignorant opinions.

You're right.

Economic analysts are saying the first three months of Trump's war have cost U.S. households an additional $48,000,000,000 for gasoline and diesel.

The additional input fuel cost to American businesses, American industry, U.S. federal - state - & - local governments, and American farmers has probably been another $45B-$50B.

Most of those costs get passed on to American households via higher bills, higher prices, and higher taxes. But some of it can't be passed on. It must be absorbed by farmers and businesses and government employers.

All for an unnecessary war.

I don't think most American voters view this as "winning" or a "golden age". That is just from the first 90 days. The higher costs are going to continue for months to come.

JD Vance is reportedly becoming more isolated within Trump’s administration after Tulsi Gabbard resigned.

His non-interventionist stance on Iran has reportedly put him at odds with Trump, while Marco Rubio has gained influence.

Some reports also suggest Vance could skip a 2028… pic.twitter.com/4plqJ49kpE

— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 25, 2026