I am surprised JD Vance gave that reporter such access to his thinking.

What were the direct quotes from JD on this?

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I am surprised JD Vance gave that reporter such access to his thinking.

What were the direct quotes from JD on this?

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It's daily mail…so treat softly…but it's currently blowing up on twitter verse.

Frankly, I think it's likely a smart political call.

Him maybe not running in 2028 could be a smart political play.

Saying there is a growing schism between Trump and Vance on Iran is just plain ******ed click fodder.

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Him maybe not running in 2028 could be a smart political play.

Saying there is a growing schism between Trump and Vance on Iran is just plain ******ed click fodder.

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Trump alluded in public that JD wasn't on board with OEF…

It's hard to say how BIG of a schism…but there seems to be one.

There is ZERO evidence Vance has become or is becoming isolated. But that's what the Daily Fail leads with. Good reporting.

What were the quotes from JD in the article backing the story up?

So the Reuters / Axios reporting about an MOU or MOA were simply made up, particular in regards to an actual document as one never existed.

And for those who keep saying Trump is just making another JCPOA or worse, can i ask a question…

What part of the JCPOA provided for the below?

BREAKING: Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly said that he was willing to recognize Israel today.

A new Middle East is on the horizon, one based on economic relationships and peace, instead of religious fundamentalism.

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) May 25, 2026

OBL rolling over in his watery paradise at this news.

If this path is to be completed, the Muslim brotherhood must be completely destroyed along with the 4-H clubs (Hamas, Houthis, Hizballahs and Homeys.

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JD Vance is reportedly becoming more isolated within Trump’s administration after Tulsi Gabbard resigned.

His non-interventionist stance on Iran has reportedly put him at odds with Trump, while Marco Rubio has gained influence.

Some reports also suggest Vance could skip a 2028… pic.twitter.com/4plqJ49kpE

— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 25, 2026

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Ouch. Fake news still fake.

The claim that the VP is considering abandoning a presidential bid is credited to one anonymous source who isn’t even close to Vance - “a White House insider.” https://t.co/IJ2w6kAdJM

— Mary Margaret Olohan (@MaryMargOlohan) May 25, 2026

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JD Vance is reportedly becoming more isolated within Trump’s administration after Tulsi Gabbard resigned.

His non-interventionist stance on Iran has reportedly put him at odds with Trump, while Marco Rubio has gained influence.

Some reports also suggest Vance could skip a 2028… pic.twitter.com/4plqJ49kpE

— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 25, 2026

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Clash Report is a known fake news outlet from Turkey which does nothing but try to sow discord, and make a buck thanks to all their clickbait.

Nothing they post should be taken seriously.

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K2-HMFIC said:

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JD Vance is reportedly becoming more isolated within Trump’s administration after Tulsi Gabbard resigned.

His non-interventionist stance on Iran has reportedly put him at odds with Trump, while Marco Rubio has gained influence.

Some reports also suggest Vance could skip a 2028… pic.twitter.com/4plqJ49kpE

— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 25, 2026

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Clash Report is a known fake news outlet from Turkey which does nothing but try to sow discord, and make a buck thanks to all their clickbait.

Nothing they post should be taken seriously.

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It's a cross post of the daily mail…

JD Vance considers abandoning run for president in 2028. pic.twitter.com/6qAfBr1qdL

— Daily Mail (@DailyMail) May 25, 2026

This should all be treated very lightly…

[Don't derail this thread with the Obama-era Iran policy. This one is about the political impacts and consequences of the current US/Iran/Israel war -- Staff]

Constitutional monarchy gaining traction in Iran (RCworld).

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Conclusion

No one can definitively predict the outcome of a truly free election in Iran because such a vote has never been permitted under the Islamic Republic. Iran's political future may ultimately take many forms, including a republic, a constitutional monarchy, or another democratic arrangement chosen by its people.

Yet one reality has become increasingly clear: constitutional monarchy is no longer a marginal discussion confined to exiled royalists. It has reemerged as a serious political current rooted in economic frustration, national identity, distrust of ideological politics, and a desire for stability after decades of authoritarian rule.

For many Iranians, the debate is not simply about restoring a dynasty. It is about searching for a political framework capable of reconnecting Iran to the world, rebuilding national unity, and creating democratic institutions that can endure beyond revolution and ideology.

Dr. Fariba Parsa holds a Ph.D. in social science, specializing in Iranian politics with a focus on political Islam, democracy, and human rights. She is the author of Fighting for Change in Iran: The Women, Life, Freedom Philosophy against Political Islam. Dr. Parsa is also the founder and president of Women's E-Learning in Leadership (WELL), a nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering women in Iran and Afghanistan through online leadership education and training.

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Would be nice, I guess.

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You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

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What else could it be. We said the war was Israel controlled the other side said no they could nuke us. Okay I guess it's hard to believe but maybe. But here we are we can't end it unless these countries sign on to the Abraham Accords? What else could it be. If this was was about protecting the USA and our interest abroad why would they have to sign on to that? Again we all pay taxes we all pay for this. How does this help us?

It won't it would insure that eventually these regimes will be toppled from within. All I want is cheap gas so my fellow Americans can buy groceries or afford vacations. I don't care about Israel. Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

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What else could it be. We said the war was Israel controlled the other side said no they could nuke us. Okay I guess it's hard to believe but maybe. But here we are we can't end it unless these countries sign on to the Abraham Accords? What else could it be. If this was was about protecting the USA and our interest abroad why would they have to sign on to that? Again we all pay taxes we all pay for this. How does this help us?

It won't it would insure that eventually these regimes will be toppled from within. All I want is cheap gas so my fellow Americans can buy groceries or afford vacations. I don't care about Israel. Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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1. How?
2. WGAS if so.

In reality, all of these Arab countries joining the accords likely helps the Palestinians over the long haul. Besides, if the Arab countries care that much about them, then they can let all of them immigrate to their countries.

Great post nortex. I have heard scant little about peoples' thoughts on post-war regime.

In the last century or so, the monarchies have tended to be much more stable than the "democracies" as they have percolated, erupted and fallen over the years. Perhaps that's due to oil, perhaps bad League of Nations / UN / British line drawing, regime cooking, regime killing activities by outside actors and inside power grabbers.

Return of a monarch likely allows for a much quicker restoration. Certainly a plausible option and alternative to the quagmire that democracy could bring.

Thumbs up to posts that make you think and ponder.

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Interesting that you think any possible resolution for Mideast violence is a bad thing. Wouldn't having a base agreement among all parties in the area make moving forward with cooperation be a positive thing, or are you more interested in keeping a possible path of war between at least someone in the area and Israel?

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

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What else could it be. We said the war was Israel controlled the other side said no they could nuke us. Okay I guess it's hard to believe but maybe. But here we are we can't end it unless these countries sign on to the Abraham Accords? What else could it be. If this was was about protecting the USA and our interest abroad why would they have to sign on to that? Again we all pay taxes we all pay for this. How does this help us?

It won't it would insure that eventually these regimes will be toppled from within. All I want is cheap gas so my fellow Americans can buy groceries or afford vacations. I don't care about Israel. Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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1. How?
2. WGAS if so.

In reality, all of these Arab countries joining the accords likely helps the Palestinians over the long haul. Besides, if the Arab countries care that much about them, then they can let all of them immigrate to their countries.

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Palestinians like Miriam Adelson?

Nobody in the modern day can define a Palestinian other than they are the remnants of long-lived terror organizations founded on the basis of destruction of the Jews and taking back the holy land and particularly all of Jerusalem.

PLO, Hamas, Hizballahin… all antisemitic terrorists who want to destroy Jews and anyone who helps them. They have no seat at the table and no place in the world and we should commit to their complete isolation or removal from terrestrial living.

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I don't think they even the most basic understanding of the Abraham Accords. Evidently there must be some BlueSky or Reddit group that paints the accords as unconditional surrender to the Zionists.

Heck, major parts of the accords focus on cultural exchanges between the Muslims and the Jews amongst Arab nations. The entirety of the accords is a two way street of trade, security, travel, etc. How that is a bending of the knee to Israel? The disdain has to be rooted in something other than knowledge of the countries, cultures and the accords.

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YouBet said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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You were at least making a decent argument(in the traditional sense) all the way until the last paragraph.

Then the Jewish space lasers kicked in

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What else could it be. We said the war was Israel controlled the other side said no they could nuke us. Okay I guess it's hard to believe but maybe. But here we are we can't end it unless these countries sign on to the Abraham Accords? What else could it be. If this was was about protecting the USA and our interest abroad why would they have to sign on to that? Again we all pay taxes we all pay for this. How does this help us?

It won't it would insure that eventually these regimes will be toppled from within. All I want is cheap gas so my fellow Americans can buy groceries or afford vacations. I don't care about Israel. Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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1. How?
2. WGAS if so.

In reality, all of these Arab countries joining the accords likely helps the Palestinians over the long haul. Besides, if the Arab countries care that much about them, then they can let all of them immigrate to their countries.

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Palestinians like Miriam Adelson?

Nobody in the modern day can define a Palestinian other than they are the remnants of long-lived terror organizations founded on the basis of destruction of the Jews and taking back the holy land and particularly all of Jerusalem.

PLO, Hamas, Hizballahin… all antisemitic terrorists who want to destroy Jews and anyone who helps them. They have no seat at the table and no place in the world and we should commit to their complete isolation or removal from terrestrial living.

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I agree. However, the knee jerk reaction that peace in the Middle East will somehow hurt the Palestinians just tells you the bias of this poster. It's more likely that overall peace in the region helps them simply because the Arab countries are going to be in Israel's ear more. There will be more give and take.

Of course, I would still boot them from my lands if I were Israel but that's just me.

Many folks critical to Israel over Palestinians fail to acknowledge the incredible tolerance and patience's Israel has showed over the past decades regarding their management of the Palestinian problem(s).

It really makes the whole concept of the "US is Israel's puppet" so nonsensical. If Israel was indeed in charge, the last 30 years in particular would look a lot different.

Trump dropping Truth bombs on MSM and maybe even some f16 posters…

That's gonna leave some marks...

I can hear the squealing now.

He's getting spicier in the last couple of days. Maybe reaching the end of the rope? Who knows. But that Truth was both truthful and brutal.

Not really surprised by any of it.

Thanks for their seditious insight. PBS/Frontline supports the Democrat Socialists. I was an avid watcher of Frontline to gauge what these propagandists produced. I don't need to any more because their narrative seeps throughout the MSM and blogosphere.

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Any agreement under duress will not hold. Do you think making them sign so whatever gas or oil these countries produce won't be attacked by Iran is good faith negotiating? These other countries did nothing but exist in the middle east. They have never agreed to Accords before why should they have to now. They are sovereign nations they get to pick what they want. We don't control them.

It only opens up more extreme views from the populace and in each country will automatically create a enemy within. I don't think it's a good strategy for long term peace.

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Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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Interesting that you think any possible resolution for Mideast violence is a bad thing. Wouldn't having a base agreement among all parties in the area make moving forward with cooperation be a positive thing, or are you more interested in keeping a possible path of war between at least someone in the area and Israel?

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Any agreement under duress will not hold. Do you think making them sign so whatever gas or oil these countries produce won't be attacked by Iran is good faith negotiating? These other countries did nothing but exist in the middle east. They have never agreed to Accords before why should they have to now. They are sovereign nations they get to pick what they want. We don't control them.

It only opens up more extreme views from the populace and in each country will automatically create a enemy within. I don't think it's a good strategy for long term peace.

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The previous signers of the Abraham Accords did not do so under duress. Saudi Arabia was very close to signing under Trump 1.0 and months ago they signaled their willingness to join on.

And no we don't control them, but we do influence them as they influence us. We even have a term for such interactions… it's called "diplomacy".

It takes an incredible bias or navet to believe we are making Arab countries bend a knee to Israel.

Question - Are you familiar with what the Abraham Accords are and how the first deal was negotiated? Are you aware these discussions have been ongoing for a long time and have progressed steadily long before we kicked up dust in Iran a few months ago?

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Thanks for their seditious insight. PBS/Frontline supports the Democrat Socialists. I was an avid watcher of Frontline to gauge what these propagandists produced. I don't need to any more because their narrative seeps throughout the MSM and blogosphere.

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This and the actual "military action" thread are completely polluted with Iranian propaganda. Both are becoming unusable.

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Why are these countries who only issues is they are within Iranian missiles range have to bend knee to Isreal. In doing so throwing the Palestinians in the west bank under the bus.

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Interesting that you think any possible resolution for Mideast violence is a bad thing. Wouldn't having a base agreement among all parties in the area make moving forward with cooperation be a positive thing, or are you more interested in keeping a possible path of war between at least someone in the area and Israel?

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Any agreement under duress will not hold. Do you think making them sign so whatever gas or oil these countries produce won't be attacked by Iran is good faith negotiating? These other countries did nothing but exist in the middle east. They have never agreed to Accords before why should they have to now. They are sovereign nations they get to pick what they want. We don't control them.

It only opens up more extreme views from the populace and in each country will automatically create a enemy within. I don't think it's a good strategy for long term peace.

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I'm pretty sure we all know what your solution for long term peace is, and that is not an option. Most everyone has already accepted that, and Iran is pretty much the last on board.

Trump: "I don't care about the midterms" and goes on to say its more important that Iran never has a nuclear weapon.

Still thinks a deal could happen as Iran "has no voice".

Then moved quickly on to JDs anti fraud work saying he reminds him of Elliott Ness, brief chuckles from Pete and Marco.

I think it's fair to say Trump is focused on his legacy but I do think his love of America and understanding we need to shore up ourselves at home and abroad factors in heavily to his decisioning on Iran.

Trump also handed out new MAGA hats but I cannot quite make out the design.

(watching first part of cabinet meeting live)

Trump says Saudi and others joining the Abraham Accords may or may not be condition or working a deal with Iran. Just thinks its a good idea and they really really should do it, maybe it should be a demand of hours, but seems a bit uncommitted.

Says why regime change was not the goal, its happened with removal of previous regime, the replacement regime, and now working with the remnants of the 3rd regime that seem to be "smarter" and "more agreeable".

This is my suggestion to POTUS:

1. Drop four bombs within a mile of each other (NSEW) in one very remote area of Iran.
2. Notify the Mullah that it was the US who did it.
3. Give 24-hour notice to the Mullah that if a deal 100% acceptable to the US is not signed & delivered by the deadline, the next drop will be in the Mullah's lap.
4. Any breach of the deal will be met with the same threat.

I'm tired of Iran playing games with the US. It's well past time to get serious.

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"Iran is very much intent, they want very much to make a deal. So far they haven't gotten there ... we're not satisfied with it, but we will be. We will be either that or we'll have to just finish the job," Trump said.

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Day 88 of the war. Day 49 of the ceasefire. Trump has been saying "Iran wants a deal" for the past 7 weeks, and Iran has responded each time by making arrogant demands the USA will never agree to.

It is past time to give them a hard deadline to agree to our two main terms; no nukes and no control of the strait.
No conditionals and non negotiable, 72 hours or we destroy you. It is ridiculous that we have not already done that. Nothing else gets negotiated until those two terms are agreed to unconditionally. I am losing trust in Trump for letting this drag out while we pay high energy prices. Take their oil to pay our expenses.