Queso1 said:

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bobbranco said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Appropriate we signed our surrender here…

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This is pure delusion.

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You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.

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How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?

We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"

China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan

HTownAg98 said:

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Kozmozag said:

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Iran leadership finally felt some pain for their actions. Killing ayatolla 1 and wounding ayatolla 2 and a bunch of other leaders will lwave a mark.

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The US inflicting pain:

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The meme and gifs have been greatness on social media, that's for sure.

Keyno said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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samurai_science said:

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Serious Lee said:

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'Old Mcdonald' being the voice of reason now sure is something ain't it? MAGA is on its last breath

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Define MAGA

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MAGA is a former coalition of the right that Trump broke up by breaking his campaign promises.

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It means nothing.

Is a woman who votes R all the time but doesnt like Turmp MAGA? She voted for him...
What about a person who votes R but likes some of the things he does but not all. He voted for him


Calling someone MAGA is dumb. Everyone should be for Making America Great Again

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In 2016 it was support for a distinct and compelling vision for the country laid out by Trump which violated many GOP/Democrat consensus positions at the time

In 2024 it became blind support for literally anything Trump did (even when the things were the opposite of his 2016 positions)

Not sure what it is now

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Well, you also have Democrats doing their usual propaganda campaign to make MAGA something it wasn't as well. Just like they've managed to make everyone not in their camp automatic tenants of the "far right" where the rest of us are all Nazis. I'm proudly far right the way they define it; my positions have never changed other than 1-2 where I've moved left like most of the rest of the "far right" in this country. We've only ever moved to the left here.

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bubblesthechimp said:

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Kozmozag said:

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Iran leadership finally felt some pain for their actions. Killing ayatolla 1 and wounding ayatolla 2 and a bunch of other leaders will lwave a mark.

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no it wont.

history tell us that for every extremist that we kill 10 more will take their place.

we basically continued the same approach that we've taken in the middle east for the last 50 years. we'll be right back here in another 10-15 (assuming we get out of this mess)

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Except Iran will actually have more money than they would have had thanks to this deal.

So much winning, though, for Iran.

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Only if they comply. This is really not hard. I've never seen the level of willfully ignorance of the actual information available as with this.

If Iran joins the community of nations and behaves, they can benefit; as any nation should from their own assets. If they don't, then they don't benefit.

Just like with Venezuela, the only thing that matters is behavior relative to the rest of the region.

AuditAg said:

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The copium in this thread is off the charts. We kicked the can down the road a few years and somehow made that can more extremist and richer.

How is this deal better than the one Trump ripped up and kicked off this mess in the first place?

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The previous deal left them with intact nuclear facilities and capabilities? This "mess" destroyed all of that and set them back years.

Also, Iran kicked this off on 10/07; not us. They murdered 46 US citizens that day.

japantiger said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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bubblesthechimp said:

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Kozmozag said:

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Iran leadership finally felt some pain for their actions. Killing ayatolla 1 and wounding ayatolla 2 and a bunch of other leaders will lwave a mark.

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no it wont.

history tell us that for every extremist that we kill 10 more will take their place.

we basically continued the same approach that we've taken in the middle east for the last 50 years. we'll be right back here in another 10-15 (assuming we get out of this mess)

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Except Iran will actually have more money than they would have had thanks to this deal.

So much winning, though, for Iran.

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Only if they comply. This is really not hard. I've never seen the level of willfully ignorance of the actual information available as with this.

If Iran joins the community of nations and behaves, they can benefit; as any nation should from their own assets. If they don't, then they don't benefit.

Just like with Venezuela, the only thing that matters is behavior relative to the rest of the region.

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And Iran can't fake it long enough to get the money then turn around and go back to the way they were?

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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can't believe iran is getting $300 billion before i get my doge check :(

— Brett Meiselas (@BMeiselas) June 17, 2026

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Okay, but to be fair, it's not like Trump said anything. Oh wait...

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Yes, Donald Trump stated that his administration was considering a concept to send Americans direct checks using savings generated by Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

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No Spin Ag said:

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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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can't believe iran is getting $300 billion before i get my doge check :(

— Brett Meiselas (@BMeiselas) June 17, 2026

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Okay, but to be fair, it's not like Trump said anything. Oh wait...

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Yes, Donald Trump stated that his administration was considering a concept to send Americans direct checks using savings generated by Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

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There should be a grave marker made for DOGE. It lived a very short life and had such a bright future. Another huge disappointment.

PaulsBunions said:

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Lol awkward for those saying this was bunk. Will crow be eaten?

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Guess not

PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Lol awkward for those saying this was bunk. Will crow be eaten?

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Guess not

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I'm still waiting for crow to be eaten on the ground war that Trump absolutely was going to do. There are a few on here who guaranteed it.

You know who you are.

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Lol awkward for those saying this was bunk. Will crow be eaten?

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Guess not

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I'm still waiting for crow to be eaten on the ground war that Trump absolutely was going to do. There are a few on here who guaranteed it.

You know who you are.

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Yep. Love the liberal goaltenders.

"This war will never end." "Makings to be our Afghanistan."
"We're definitely sending in ground troops."

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K2-HMFIC said:

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

🇺🇸⚡️🦅 pic.twitter.com/2drxQlsnRn

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) June 13, 2026

This was a…choice…

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>make things worse
>declare victory

art of the deal

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Make things worse?

Seriously a ridiculous statement.

Iran's military and most of the current leadership are destroyed.

Uranium enrichment also likely destroyed at least hampered for an extended length of time.

AND Iran knows the U.S. can take cripple them militarily easily.

Though another weak kneed liberal Pres will engage in baseless "negotiation".

Liberals have been on the wrong side of history for as long as I've been alive.

Who was saying this?

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Who was saying this?

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OM. Post directly above mine.

PaulsBunions said:

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Who was saying this?

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We know of at least one prominent anti-Israel critic who said this, in between hocking supplements on his x account.

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"It's worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East, and cost the United States tens of billions of dollars," the commentator wrote on the social platform X. "The cost of future acts of terrorIsm on American soil may be even higher. Those aren't guesses. Those are the Pentagon's own estimates. A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America's war. Don't let the propagandists lie to you."

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every victory we can credibly claim from this conflict is at best a temporary setback for iran, or fell well short of our stated objectives (to the extent we even had them). there's no question iran achieved the greater strategic victory here.

AuditAg said:

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YouBet said:

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AuditAg said:

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The copium in this thread is off the charts. We kicked the can down the road a few years and somehow made that can more extremist and richer.

How is this deal better than the one Trump ripped up and kicked off this mess in the first place?

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The previous deal left them with intact nuclear facilities and capabilities? This "mess" destroyed all of that and set them back years.

Also, Iran kicked this off on 10/07; not us. They murdered 46 US citizens that day.

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So we should tackle any problem that kills 46 Americans a year? With 300 billion dollars given to that government plus whatever it cost to run this little scheme for Isreal and we have nothing to show for it. It's also pretty clear they still have enrichment capabilities. We were told midnight hammer took those out. Then we went to war cause it didn't. Now we have a plan with no restrictions.

Again, this is a worse deal by every metric. Iran was a problem with no real solution. Now they're a richer problem. Wonder how much terroism the IRGC can kick off with all that money now.

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You lobbed a softball question, so I took the gimme homerun answer.

Some massive false equivalency to equate "any problem" that kills 46 Americans a year to another country attacking and murdering your citizens.

"Nothing to show for it" only shows that you are willfully ignoring actual outcomes here. See Mouth's post on page 320 of the other thread. It's a good, objective summary of this endeavor.

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I thought it would take a little longer than 12 hours for the Trump can do 0 wrong crowd to come back from the embarrassment to try and defend their tough guy surrendering to the stock market Ponzi scheme but I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Between loony toons Liberals and the Roll over Republicans this Country is so done for it ain't even funny.

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There are no more politicians worth voting for anymore.

Wack-job out of touch, immoral communists

or

yes-men for Donald Trump on whatever he wants to do.

Crazy, but option 2 is still clearly better.

GeorgiAg said:

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This will likely go down on the list of the biggest policy/war blunders.

Land war in Asia.
Invade Russia in winter
Vietnam
Maginot Line
Peace in Our Time
Japan at Midway - or getting the US involved by Pearl Harbor
Iraq War

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From a US perspective…I think this is worse than Iraq (we invaded and it's a stablish country) but still not as bad as Vietnam.

Probably the single biggest foreign policy blunder since Tonkin.

Forgot Bay of Pigs.

YouBet said:

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Well, you also have Democrats doing their usual propaganda campaign to make MAGA something it wasn't as well. Just like they've managed to make everyone not in their camp automatic tenants of the "far right" where the rest of us are all Nazis. I'm proudly far right the way they define it; my positions have never changed other than 1-2 where I've moved left like most of the rest of the "far right" in this country. We've only ever moved to the left here.

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I'm old (mid 70s). I have been an eyewitness to how both parties have changed since 1970. I agree "far-right" is not a 100% accurate descriptor of what has happened to the GOP. Yet your party and its base have gone through two seismic transformations in its traits, beliefs, thinking, demeanor, and values since 1970. One occurred after 1980. The other occurred after 2008. (That's an interesting topic deserving of its own thread.) Regarding political fallout from Trump's war and the resulting big increases in gas / diesel / fertilizer / groceries / everything:

-- R candidates will still win big in deep red HoR districts and deep red Senate states. The rightwing party base hates Dems more than anything. That mindset won't change when the November election rolls around.

-- The interesting races will be in states and districts where Rs have a 55% to 45% (or less) plurality advantage. In those districts and states, **IF** the Dems have chosen viable candidates, they'll win some of those elections.

-- Choosing viable candidates is the most important factor in those races.

-- Will the D's win enough races nationally to regain the HoR and Senate? I'll put the probability at 50%. The party doesn't have politically savvy leadership like it did 15 years ago.

-- I think Talarico will get crushed, btw. He is not a viable US Senate Dem candidate for the state of Tx. Nor was ****oo Jasmine Crockett. The Tx Dem Party org's strategists once ran a pretty savvy political machine in the decades pre-1990. Since 2000 it has been as politically savvy as a bag of rocks.

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The rightwing party base hates Dems more than anything. That mindset won't change when the November election rolls around.

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I hope it doesn't change. Democrats are now openly communist and hate this country. For all of the Republican's faults (and there are many), they are still better than the alternative. Only reason to vote for Republicans at this point is to selfishly try and delay the inevitable while I'm alive.

It sucks we've ended up in a situation where we are $40T in debt and growing it by $1T every six months. Both parties are at fault and neither want to do anything about it.