Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:


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BREAKING: Iran has suspended its entire 60-day negotiation period with the US over the direct violation of the MOU's first clause, with Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon constituting a breach less than 24 hours after the MOU was electronically signed, per Fars and Al-Mayadeen.

Iran's negotiating delegation had already been preparing to depart for Switzerland to launch the first round of talks before Iran made the decision to suspend the entire trip.

Iran will also not unilaterally fulfill its commitments, and until Iran is fully assured Israeli attacks on Lebanon have stopped and the US has practically adhered to the first-clause obligations, talks remain cancelled.
3:31 PM Jun 18, 2026

That was fast......


Hilarious. Also, I called this. The IRGC has no desire to deal on anything.
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Why would they? They now know what Trump will concede on and will now push for more. They may end up getting Alabama in this deal.

They hold all the cards
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Queso1 said:

Why would they? They now know what Trump will concede on and will now push for more. They may end up getting Alabama in this deal.

They hold all the cards


Alabama? Give them Minnesota or Michigan. Two states on their way to Muslim ****hole status.

We are going to have to bomb them to Bolivia eventually so might as well make it official.
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Bull Meachem said:

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Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.

I'm liking Vance less as time goes by.

Not that I think he's bad, but his positions are not as good as I once thought.


The promise of the candidate rarely lives up to the office holder.


If you'd been paying attention to him since he wrote his book, none of this would surprise you.
In fact, the "punching down" was a major premise in his book.
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WAKE UP - Iran is not going to honor any agreement or treaty.
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mjschiller said:

WAKE UP - Iran is not going to honor any agreement or treaty.


Cool. We aren't willing to do what needs to be done to stop them, so maybe we just stay out of it.
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Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.
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Total war is the only way to replace the IRGC, the populace need to fear American bombs more than IRGC bullets. They have no will to fight for freedom, if they aren't willing to eat bullets to force change the IRGC will still be in charge. The IRGC clearly do not care if they are bombed back to the stone age, if they survive they will continue to fight.
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hunter2012 said:

Total war is the only way to replace the IRGC, the populace need to fear American bombs more than IRGC bullets. They have no will to fight for freedom, if they aren't willing to eat bullets to force change the IRGC will still be in charge. The IRGC clearly do not care if they are bombed back to the stone age, if they survive they will continue to fight.

and that's not a realistic option. so what other ideas ya got, because we don't seem to have any good ones?
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AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.
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You're advocating for killing civilians and becoming a terrorist state? Some of y'all had lost the plot.
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The wedge Iran is driving between U.S and Israel is impressive from a political standpoint. Neither will budge but Netanyahu's and Trump's positions are existential.

Either Trump gets obliterated at midterms by gas / boots on ground OR Netanyahu goes to prison and Israel becomes unsafe from Hezbollah.

Interested to see what Ted and Lindsey say as this develops.

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There is no doubt Israel will not concede anything and thus scuttle the deal. This will lead to the entire world wanting a resolution and Israel becoming the single issue. They will find themselves geopolitical isolated more than ever before. Politically in the US they will also have worn out their welcome. It's ironic the greater Israel plan will likey be their demise.
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AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Interesting how you ignore completely Iran and hezbollah "sabotaging" everything the last half century.

We literally have an example of them attacking Israel right after the MOU was signed. Yet here you are blaming Israel.


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Did Trump just make this up about Meloni @ G7 because he's mad about air base permissions vs. Iran?

Sort of funny to me.
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nortex97 said:

Did Trump just make this up about Meloni @ G7 because he's mad about air base permissions vs. Iran?

Sort of funny to me.

Not if you need those bases
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BMX Bandit said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Interesting how you ignore completely Iran and hezbollah "sabotaging" everything the last half century.

We literally have an example of them attacking Israel right after the MOU was signed. Yet here you are blaming Israel.





Interesting how you jump immediately to defending Israel.

I'm basing my comments off what Trump has said about BiBi various times throughout this attempted long deal making process and his actions. Yes it's a pattern.

Also yes I don't think Bibi cares much for this country (other than what's received from us). So yes I think he has no problem sabotaging US interests to benefit him.
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I didn't defend israel. I called you out for your continued pushing of iranian propoganda. you ignore the literal attack by hezbollah. all you people do is construct strawmen and outright make crap up all the time.

netanyahu only cares about the US to the extent it benefits israel. and I fully expect Israel will not abide by the terms of any deal Iran and US makes if they think it would be harmful. do you blame them?

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She didn't let us use them when we asked last time anyway. Might as well close them imho.
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BMX Bandit said:

I didn't defend israel. I called you out for your continued pushing of iranian propoganda. you ignore the literal attack by hezbollah. all you people do is construct strawmen and outright make crap up all the time.

netanyahu only cares about the US to the extent it benefits israel. and I fully expect Israel will not abide by the terms of any deal Iran and US makes if they think it would be harmful. do you blame them?



Here is what I said:
Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


You call me out as "you people" yet you then actually say the same thing!

I care about our country FIRST! That's the difference. If you mean "you people " as those that are not Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro mouthpieces then yes include me in that group.
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mjschiller said:

WAKE UP - Iran is not going to honor any agreement or treaty.

Irony is that many people here are suggesting that Trump just do this agreement now, get oil flowing again, and then just start bombing after the mid terms. Considering we've attacked them twice during negotiations, would seem they should be more distrustful of us.
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"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.
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This whole hiding Israel hate behind "America First" is getting old.Simping for literal terrorist organizations is not required for being "America First"
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Phatbob said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.
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BMX Bandit said:

"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.


Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.
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No duh, the point I was trying to make is that total war would be the only way to force regime change. Ever wonder why every US war since WW2 hasn't panned out? It's because nation building never works while there are dissidents in the civilian population that have the will to keep fighting. That and there needs to be a structure for that society to return to. The dissidents seize the reins of power as soon as we set them down. Unconditional surrender requires total war to work. I know the US electorate would be against civilian deaths, for this reason and because Iran knows they can drag it out to midterms we're stuck.

If Trump is smart he'll avoid major operations against Iran until midterms come and go, there is a very real chance that Republicans will keep Congress with the maps being redrawn. Yeah he's screwed if Republican lose power, but he's also in the driver's seat if they keep it.

You want real ideas? It was stated that there were about 300 radical imams in the leadership of the IRGC that would need to be eliminated before leadership total collapses. I imagine we've crossed off a number of names in that list, let's complete that list and see if the moderates are ready to talk. If they aren't then make a new list and start work on that one. Eventually you'll get a leader that wants to live and then you can have a conversation.

Honestly, drag this out long enough and the Arab states will have enough alternative outlets to ship oil to where the SoH will be irrelevant to geopolitics.
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See above and stop being obtuse, I wasn't advocating anything. I was stating a fact.
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AGHouston11 said:

BMX Bandit said:

"you people" are the people that push Hamas lies and Iran talking points.

again, you immediately jump to Bibi sabotaging this and ignore that Hezbollah already has. Why is that? we already know, so don't bother with the spin.


Not trusting Bibi isn't Iranian propaganda.
And you can go back to ignoring Bibi's past actions Trump has expressed displeasure over.

So basically if the deal is not in Israel's best interests it's ok if Bibi sabotages it because it's in his best interest. I disagree. It's not ok.


So Israel is not supposed to defend itself from terrorists because of an agreement between Iran and the US that they didn't sign off on?

This is such an obvious plan by Iran but the anti-Israel far right/left still eat their propaganda up. Sign agreement saying that Israel can't defend itself. Tell Hezbollah to attack. Blame Israel for blowing up the deal when they respond.
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Keyno said:

Phatbob said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.
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The good news is the new Iranian leaders are moderate. Will trickle down to Hezbollah soon once HR sorts it out.
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Phatbob said:

Keyno said:

Phatbob said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.
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Keyno said:

Phatbob said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

Well, then maybe Hezbollah shouldn't be lobbing rockets into Israel, and Israel wouldn't come over and hit them back...
You can turn off signatures, btw
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You are legitimizing the strategy of hiding behind human shields.That is exactly why this problem has existed for generations. Blaming Israel for not putting up with that anymore when it is literally an existential issue for them is very telling.
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Keyno said:

Phatbob said:

Keyno said:

Phatbob said:

AGHouston11 said:

Does anyone really believe Bibi is not going to sabotage this anyway possible?
It's been the same pattern the whole time.


Right... dealing with Hezbolah, a terrorist organization lobbying bombs at civilian targets, is the problem...

There's no reason for that to ever be allowed to be part of the discussion. It's a complete win for Iran to try to legitimize and cement their terror proxies when they are being ripped out.

Israel is currently invading and occupying territory in Lebanon and is bombing civilian targets in Beirut.

They are literally working with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah. We all know where you get your propaganda from, so we can forego the "Israel targets civilians" garbage.

Propoganda? Both Trump and Vance have criticized Israel for bombing civilian targets in the last 48 hours.


They're not "civilian targets". Hezbollah hides behind civilians just like Hamas did because they know morons will lap up the propaganda. But you already knew that.
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Phatbob said:

You are legitimizing the strategy of hiding behind human shields.That is exactly why this problem has existed for generations. Blaming Israel for not putting up with that anymore when it is literally an existential issue for them is very telling.

Well at least we have moved on from "Israel is not bombing civilian targets" to "Here is why Israel is bombing civilian targets". That was quick
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