I think it's kind of obvious which they support more! Or at least on the same level.Keyno said:PaulsBunions said:
Looking forward to the Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin crashouts over what Vance said lol
Me too. It's really going to illustrate the contrast of interests as far as the United States and Israel is concerned (and which ones they support more)
shiftyandquick said:bigtruckguy3500 said:japantiger said:Queso1 said:bobbranco said:K2-HMFIC said:
Appropriate we signed our surrender here…
This is pure delusion.
You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.
How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?
We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"
China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan
So I disagree with this. At least based on what we have been able to see, China has weathered the diminished oil supply surprisingly well. They have actually done a good job building up a petroleum reserve. Additionally, they appear to have gone in quite heavily on solar, as well as electric vehicles. It was able to cut its petroleum imports by 40% without any substantial effect on its fuel supply or its economy. Again, at least based off what we can see publicly.
Now who knows how big their petroleum reserves are. If the US was looking at running dry in 4 weeks, and China was able to go 8 weeks, what does that mean?
Did China really force Iran to negotiate? Or was Iran already negotiating? I think from the beginning they said they'd stop shooting missiles at Israel and their neighbors if they stopped being bombed. And I don't really feel as though Iran really budged on any of its demands from early on. Everyone laughed at their demand for reparations, but now they're getting a 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund.
We can certainly project power and disrupt their supply lines, but it will affect us, and our allies as well. So it's not without a cost.
China has diversified their energy economy away from fossil fuels. Trump has done the opposite, he is using government power to shut down and stop PRIVATE solar and wind projects.
Trump is actively trying to make the US MORE dependent on fossil fuels by disrupting and blocking the non-fossil fuel economy in the US.
GeorgiAg said:
We need:
Term limits
No individual stock trading by politicians
Reverse Citizens United
Voter ID
Campaign finance reform
Ranked choice voting
Gradin said:GeorgiAg said:
We need:
Term limits
No individual stock trading by politicians
Reverse Citizens United
Voter ID
Campaign finance reform
Ranked choice voting
Agreed
DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Eliminatus said:DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.
Quote:
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset.
BREAKING: Iran has suspended its entire 60-day negotiation period with the US over the direct violation of the MOU's first clause, with Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon constituting a breach less than 24 hours after the MOU was electronically signed, per Fars and Al-Mayadeen.…
— The Hormuz Letter (@HormuzLetter) June 18, 2026
Quote:
BREAKING: Iran has suspended its entire 60-day negotiation period with the US over the direct violation of the MOU's first clause, with Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon constituting a breach less than 24 hours after the MOU was electronically signed, per Fars and Al-Mayadeen.
Iran's negotiating delegation had already been preparing to depart for Switzerland to launch the first round of talks before Iran made the decision to suspend the entire trip.
Iran will also not unilaterally fulfill its commitments, and until Iran is fully assured Israeli attacks on Lebanon have stopped and the US has practically adhered to the first-clause obligations, talks remain cancelled.
3:31 PM Jun 18, 2026
Dungeon Crawler Carl said:BREAKING: Iran has suspended its entire 60-day negotiation period with the US over the direct violation of the MOU's first clause, with Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon constituting a breach less than 24 hours after the MOU was electronically signed, per Fars and Al-Mayadeen.…
— The Hormuz Letter (@HormuzLetter) June 18, 2026Quote:
BREAKING: Iran has suspended its entire 60-day negotiation period with the US over the direct violation of the MOU's first clause, with Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon constituting a breach less than 24 hours after the MOU was electronically signed, per Fars and Al-Mayadeen.
Iran's negotiating delegation had already been preparing to depart for Switzerland to launch the first round of talks before Iran made the decision to suspend the entire trip.
Iran will also not unilaterally fulfill its commitments, and until Iran is fully assured Israeli attacks on Lebanon have stopped and the US has practically adhered to the first-clause obligations, talks remain cancelled.
3:31 PM Jun 18, 2026
That was fast......
flown-the-coop said:
It's the eye shadow, throws people off.
Vance is confident and takes no ***** Where I come from we call that leadership and respect it.
Arrogance is Barrack Obama telling people the Founding Fathers "fell short".
FWTXAg said:YouBet said:Quote:
The rightwing party base hates Dems more than anything. That mindset won't change when the November election rolls around.
I hope it doesn't change. Democrats are now openly communist and hate this country. For all of the Republican's faults (and there are many), they are still better than the alternative. Only reason to vote for Republicans at this point is to selfishly try and delay the inevitable while I'm alive.
It sucks we've ended up in a situation where we are $40T in debt and growing it by $1T every six months. Both parties are at fault and neither want to do anything about it.
Good God I hope it does lol
That mindset is literally uniparty propaganda and it is the exact reason we have the monstrosity of a Federal government that we do now.
The average Democrat isn't a communist or deranged antifa freak just like the average Republican wouldn't shoot somebody to defend Trump like this forum might make it seem at times. Most people want a better life for their kids and their families than the one they had. There are a whole hell of a lot of us that feel that way on Team Blue, Team Red, and those like me who'd never vote for either party if you paid me.
The enemy is an overreaching, overpowered, and constantly growing central government, and it always has been.
Thankfully The People Vs. The Government (no matter which part of the uniparty is in power) party is growing every day.
I think it'll happen in our lifetimes. People are learning that we have been fooled by our masters for far too long.
shiftyandquick said:bigtruckguy3500 said:japantiger said:Queso1 said:bobbranco said:K2-HMFIC said:
Appropriate we signed our surrender here…
This is pure delusion.
You may not like it, but it's not delusion. The US is a laughing stock right now…or at least Trump is. Unfortunately, China was watching. We should have never entered this nonsense.
How is it possible to see the recent US policy vChina and come to this conclusion?
We just demonstrated that nothing China has built to defend itself is functional vs US in both Iran and Venezuela.
China has been kicked out of the W hemisphere
We control the China oil supply chain from both Venezuela and the Strait
China stepped back and forced Iran to negotiate....just like RU, they did not defend "their ally"
China now knows for certain they have no ability to project power against Taiwan
So I disagree with this. At least based on what we have been able to see, China has weathered the diminished oil supply surprisingly well. They have actually done a good job building up a petroleum reserve. Additionally, they appear to have gone in quite heavily on solar, as well as electric vehicles. It was able to cut its petroleum imports by 40% without any substantial effect on its fuel supply or its economy. Again, at least based off what we can see publicly.
Now who knows how big their petroleum reserves are. If the US was looking at running dry in 4 weeks, and China was able to go 8 weeks, what does that mean?
Did China really force Iran to negotiate? Or was Iran already negotiating? I think from the beginning they said they'd stop shooting missiles at Israel and their neighbors if they stopped being bombed. And I don't really feel as though Iran really budged on any of its demands from early on. Everyone laughed at their demand for reparations, but now they're getting a 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund.
We can certainly project power and disrupt their supply lines, but it will affect us, and our allies as well. So it's not without a cost.
China has diversified their energy economy away from fossil fuels. Trump has done the opposite, he is using government power to shut down and stop PRIVATE solar and wind projects.
Trump is actively trying to make the US MORE dependent on fossil fuels by disrupting and blocking the non-fossil fuel economy in the US.
Eliminatus said:DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.
Ag with kids said:Eliminatus said:DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.
I'm liking Vance less as time goes by.
Not that I think he's bad, but his positions are not as good as I once thought.
flown-the-coop said:
You realize Trump has been widely lambasted from both sides but particularly by MAGA for trying too much diplomacy.
You cannot be serious with your post. Was it meant as satire cause I seriously and struggling.
Bull Meachem said:Ag with kids said:Eliminatus said:DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.
I'm liking Vance less as time goes by.
Not that I think he's bad, but his positions are not as good as I once thought.
The promise of the candidate rarely lives up to the office holder.
Bull Meachem said:
FCP doesn't actually believe anything he writes. It's a bit he's doing.
Ag with kids said:Eliminatus said:DeepETX_Aggie said:JD Vance is warning Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration not to mess around with the United States, saying they may end up losing everything.
— Shadow of Ezra (@ShadowofEzra) June 18, 2026
Vance says Trump is their last ally because the entire world already hates them.
"If I were in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I… pic.twitter.com/l3kRzQiov4
Vance's arrogance is a liability at this point, not an asset. Nobody should mistake it as an adherence to American exceptionalism either, it's not. Israel has every right to ***** at this MOU. And should.
I'm liking Vance less as time goes by.
Not that I think he's bad, but his positions are not as good as I once thought.
vance's comments are the most forcefully critical toward israel we've seen from any administration in the past. smart of him to frontrun this, he's likely felt this way from the beginning but was scared to break with trump publicly until trump soured on israel.PaulsBunions said:
Looking forward to the Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin crashouts over what Vance said lol
Old McDonald said:PaulsBunions said:
Looking forward to the Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin crashouts over what Vance said lol
vance's comments are the most forcefully critical toward israel we've seen from any administration in the past. smart of him to frontrun this, he's likely felt this way from the beginning but was scared to break with trump publicly until trump soured on israel.
meanwhile trump is likely fuming that bibi dragged him into this and it's turned into such a massive liability for him. the passive aggressive comments about patron pete and the other iran hawks corroborate this. israel might have generationally fumbled their most important alliance.
shiftyandquick said:
JD loves to punch down. Remember when he publicly berated Zelensky to his face in front of the press? He absolutely loved that. It's who he is at the core.
