Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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BlackGold said:

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.


Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/


Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.


You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.


All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.
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Old McDonald said:

the "strait is open, it's the insurance companies' fault no traffic is moving through" talking point has been getting repeated a lot lately. obviously it's just transparent blame deflection, but it makes you wonder where it originated.

It's the truth. Hope that helps.


https://www.lloyds.com/insights/media-centre/press-releases/press-release-19062026
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I think it will be more than the IAEA inspectors sending a group WhatsApp message to the IRGC asking what they are up to on enrichment and then just taking whatever response as a completed "inspection".


Cute comeback. So China, Russia, UK, France, Germany and the EU all signers of the JCPOA were they all satisfied with these "WhatsApp" inspections?

Trump's big argument against the "Obama Deal" was money-related. Pallets of cash. Unfrozen assets. Sanction relief. (The White House official statement on withdrawing from the deal is interesting reading). Actually valid arguments. But did Trump follow up with a new and better deal to address the nuclear question? Did he mount the same international support for a such a deal? Nope. And President #46 didn't either.

So here we are. I'm predicting the nuke part of the agreement won't look much different than the deal Trump walked away from. And now that Iran has the Strait card, it could be worse. But as Trump likes to say, 'we'll see what happens'.

Trumps big argument on the JCPOA is that it did NOTHING to prevent the eventual development of a nuclear weapon by Iran.

Why the hell do we need input and support from countries that can no longer even defend themselves and their interests?

And the current status is already light years better than day one of the JCPOA, better than when Trump ended the JCPOA and not even comparable to what would be occurring should the JCPOA have been left to run its course.

JCPOA let Iran retain their claim to the SOH and did nothing to address their funding of proxies.

Other than that you seem to have everything straight.

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This uh MOU is light years away from the JCPOA you're correct. This does nothing to stop their development and gives them more control of SOH then they had during the JCPOA. Question did Iran control the SOH before the war? Nope. Now they can toll it and we get to give them 300 billion to fund their proxies.

Again how is this better than the JCPOA? Did it have issues yeah all do, but again Trump ripped up an ok deal for a worse deal, like he always does.

Light years? More control over the SOH? How?

Nothing to stop the nuke development? How did you arrive at that?

$300 billion is not cash. A complete ****ing lie. Your name indicates some involvement with audit. Do you think it's ethical to repeat a lie about the $300 billion even though it has been shown not to be a pallets of cash deal?

It's an agreement (at this time) to allow the GCC sanction-free investment into Iranian infrastructure repair, which is less than a third of the amount of damage inflicted on them.

You do understand the JCPOA would have expired by now. You do understand there were massive issues with compliance with the barely there terms of the JCPOA.

The 14 point framework is not my cup of tea and there is plenty to be critical about it without repeating provenly false information.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

BlackGold said:

traxter said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.


Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/


Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.


You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.


All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.

The antisemitic propaganda machine is reaching new levels.

Amazing to me that Hamas commits some of the most atrocious crimes on other humans in the history of humanity, and people start supporting the terrorists and not the victims.

Lots of people also conflating Hamas, Shia Muslims and such to try and legitimize jihadists then the Islamic attacks start painting all Shia Muslims as terrorists / jihadists, which ignores that most all are not terrorists and Sunni Muslims can be just a as jihadist / terrorizing.
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flown-the-coop said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

BlackGold said:

traxter said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.


Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/


Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.


You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.


All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.

The antisemitic propaganda machine is reaching new levels.

Amazing to me that Hamas commits some of the most atrocious crimes on other humans in the history of humanity, and people start supporting the terrorists and not the victims.

Lots of people also conflating Hamas, Shia Muslims and such to try and legitimize jihadists then the Islamic attacks start painting all Shia Muslims as terrorists / jihadists, which ignores that most all are not terrorists and Sunni Muslims can be just a as jihadist / terrorizing.


It's become extremely common by the leftist posters on here along with some of the conservatives. And they ignore that dozens of US citizens were murdered on 10/07 as well. I'm not even a fan of Israel, but the outright memory holing of what Hamas did gives it away that they are full blown anti-Semitic and pro-radical Islam.

This next generation of Democrats openly hate the Jews. Will be interesting if the Jews continue voting lockstep with Democrats because of it.
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Remember many of those were dual citizens and a couple of posters told me those do not count as real American citizens.

And they were serious.
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Old McDonald said:

the "strait is open, it's the insurance companies' fault no traffic is moving through" talking point has been getting repeated a lot lately. obviously it's just transparent blame deflection, but it makes you wonder where it originated.

It's just the truth. LOL

Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

Anyway, 17 million barrels of oil transited through SOH two days ago. A record.

But the SOH is closed so says a few hardliners from IRAN.

Ah, no it is not closed. They don't have the physical ability to close it.

They are just using fear, Loyd's of London jacked up the insurance rate by calling the SOH a war zone.

We have created counter measures.

Of course you don't understand that the real underground war is against the Globalist who love to create crisis so they can create mssive profits and control. Like Covid.
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I also find it ironic that the anti Israel crowd seem to ignore or memory hole the fact that Iran, Hezbollah, the Jihadist all have stated, and have never recanted from their primary objective which is 'death to Israel' complete obliteration. 'Death to America' and total Jihad of the west. they launched more missiles at the UAE, because they seem them as infidels for signing the Abraham accords. They have attacked SA, Kuwait, Bahran as well.

When you are dealing with a 'people' whose primary goal in life is the death and destruction of another people over the protection or prosperity of your own people and children and are willing to expend them as fodder to win 'suicidal sympathy' from your enemy, you have crossed a threshold of no return. You are no longer a rational sane human. You are demonic, and have been turned over to a reprobate mind.

The issue we face in Iran is there are millions who are not like this. And we have to try to root out the radical animals who would willingly slaughter these millions of people if it would help them achieve their end goal.
While at the same time eliminating their ability to do their primary objective.

And that is by nature going to be very messy business. When they intentionally launch missiles from schools or hospitals or forcifully hide among civilians, there is going to be some 'innoncent' deaths. That is unavoidable but to stop and not seek to root them out and destroy is really not an viable option long term.

To many of our own people have been "Goebbeled" by the sympathetic propaganda, which is a twist of true biblical mercy.

All those calling Trump stupid are stupid themselves, disturbingly so IMHO.

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We have been told by some that "Death to America" translates to "We just want to be left alone to write poetry".

Seems like a super serious take since it came directly from the 2nd Dead Ayatollah when he was preaching at a university in Iran.
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flown-the-coop said:

We have been told by some that "Death to America" translates to "We just want to be left alone to write poetry".

Seems like a super serious take since it came directly from the 2nd Dead Ayatollah when he was preaching at a university in Iran.

So if they want to be "left alone" and write poetry, then why have are they pursuing with all the wealth both in people and in finances to create and support organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houtis to wipe out the Jews?

The hypocicy of the left and the Rino is off the charts. It is delusional and that concerns me. It fits the 2 Thess 2:1 -12 passage is scripture to a T. As well as Romans 1:18 to the end of the chapter. Strong delusion, turned over to a reprobate.

They have been 'Goebbeled' with 'suicidal empathy' or what I call 'false mercy'. It really comes from Satan.

Jesus warned us about this very clearly in Matt 24. "Many will come in His name claiming to be 'the Christ" and will deceive many!

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This whole thing has just been a bit eye opening on how many on here are anti-Israel to the point that they go out of their way to not acknowledge the reality of Islam and what started all of this.

You can absolutely be against us getting involved over there without parroting Islamic propaganda and wholly memory holing 10/07. I was never a fan of us getting involved and I look at Israel as a loose ally who is the more pragmatic and obviously better option than another Islamic state in its place. Because that is the only other option.

But to go out of your way to pretend 10/07 didn't happen and then piss and moan about "genocide" of the Palestinians? And now we are seeing people on here beginning to just lump everyone into some harmless Shia group without (1) acknowledging the reality of Iran's terror apparatus and proxies unless called out on it and/or (2) ignoring that the Palestinians support Hamas. That tells me all I need to know about those folks - terrorist sympathizers.

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I respect the Word in your posts but don't want to engage on that particularly as it gets messy with many folks.

However, the Goebbelization is an interesting point that applies to way more than just the Jews these days.

The Hate America Party has been using the SAME tactics on Trump, his allies, his supporters, etc.

Dehumanizing a group of people primarily by labeling them as "evil" and a "threat" over and over again is how you get humans to commit murder and genocide. I have watched a bit of the Great Courses series on this subject. Its a tough watch that challenges you to think about our "dark sides" but in the first couple of episodes he goes into the concept of how dangerous it is to paint a person or group of people as inherently evil.

Online Course: Understanding the Dark Side of Human Nature from The Great Courses Plus | Class Central
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I consider Goebbels's to be the 'father' of 'psychop' propaganda.

I don't think Hitler ever comes into power with out him.

So when I am talking about being 'Goebbeled'. I am not just talking about the Jews.

Here are few quotes from Goebbels that fits what has happened to us here in the west for the last generation or so. "Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals' - a book dedicated to Lucifer. Has been the manual for Obama, Hillary, the whole 'anti - christ' left, He just built on what Goebbel's had started. Funny Alinsky was a "Jew".

Anywhere, here are the quotes form Goebbels that I am referring to this passage was taken out of book I wrote during the Covid scam called, "As in the Days of Noah"

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. . . In the 'media/press' (any sort of mass communication vehicles. newspapers, magazines, radio, TV and now internet and social media. AI) 'Joseph Goebbels' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels and https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/joseph-goebbels-1) was the head man, the master mind, behind the Nazi lie and deception propaganda machine, he was the trumpet, he was Hitler's 'John the Baptist', and is of satan. He was a master of "Social Engineering"- (https://getpocket.com/explore/item/masters-of-crowds-the-rise-of-mass-social-engineering) -Raised in a strict Roman Catholic family Jesuit, in his youth he considered becoming a Roman Catholic priest. Hitler - (who was raised a Roman Catholic as well) -would of never come into power without Goebbels! He was the pioneer of using film and radio (which was relatively new during his day, 1930s through WWII) for propaganda purposes. Here are just a few of his quotes:

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

"Think of the press (media) as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

"It would not be impossible to prove with SUFFICIENT REPETITION and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise."

Things did not end well for Goebbels (and family), either here or before the judgement seat that we all must stand before! He killed his own family and then he and wife committed suicide. . .



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Dehumanizing a group of people primarily by labeling them as "evil" and a "threat" over and over again is how you get humans to commit murder and genocide.

That is the key, this pyschological programming. And Goebbel's understood that and implemented it well.

And we see that today in spades, TDS has been created using this tactic.
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100% agreed. It is effective and it is being used against Trump and his supporters. To be honest, the Hate America Party has long been deploying these tactics.

See Kavanaugh hearings and later assassination attempt.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Israel's government, but I also hate the Iranian regime, Hamas, and Hezbollah even more.

Calling out one of them doesn't mean you're a fan of the other.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

I'm not the biggest fan of Israel's government but I also hate the Iranian regime, Hamas, Hezbollah even more.

Calling out one of them doesn't mean you're fan of the other.

Expound on this. Is it the whole government? Just BiBi? The Knesset?

Which particular policies are you taking issues with and why?

I think its an odd comparison to denote Israel as a government body and the others as Islamic religious regimes.

I understand people are trying to make the distinction between being against Israeli government practices and not critical of the Jewish State of Israel, so maybe its helpful to understand what particular people and policies you take issue with regarding Israel government.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

I'm not the biggest fan of Israel's government but I also hate the Iranian regime, Hamas, Hezbollah even more.

Calling out one of them doesn't mean you're fan of the other.

Certainly not but there are some people on here going out of their way to place blame only on the Jews(!).
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And that's not logical, but labeling anyone critical of Israel's government as "anti-Semitic" is disingenuous.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

And that's not logical, but labeling anyone critical of Israel's government as "anti-Semitic" is disingenuous.

It is logical to ask people to explain a distinction they are trying to make.

One should understand the structure of the Jewish State of Israel and the founding principles and documents when being critical of official government actions and positions.

Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948 and were attacked by an Arab coalition on May 15, 1948 led by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq with troops sent from Saudi Arabia.

Note that Israel did not invade or attack those countries on May 15th, it was others attacking them. And its been constant for the 78 years since.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

I'm not the biggest fan of Israel's government but I also hate the Iranian regime, Hamas, Hezbollah even more.

Calling out one of them doesn't mean you're fan of the other.

And my resonce to this comment, respectfully, is that you have been unwittingly "Goebbeled"


The continual left media in conjunction with anti American, anti west, pro globalsit - New world order. Have been parroting over and over again, the alleged misdeeds of Israel.

Over, and over, and over, and over. All the while memory holing or censoring or burying any of the continued atrocities of the Jihadist and discounting what they have stated over and over again. Death to Israel. (and death to America and the subjugation of the west in totality!)

So what does "Palestine shall be free from the rive to the sea", Really mean. It real means the genocide of the Jews and Israel because that is the only way that can happen.

So, is Israel seeking to do their own propaganda and influence campagaing. OF COURSE. AS WE HAVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

The difference is Israel is not seeking to subjugate other nations or wipe out whole people groups based on their religion.. They are not jihadist, they are just trying to survive in world that hates them and that hate is not justified.

The balance of atrocities coming out the Islamic countries verse Israel is absolutely is extreme.

Israel only goes after those who have made it their aim to wipe them out! This the truth. They will go after those who seek their harm. For sure. And we would to if in their position. (In fact we do had have, many times)
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Israel only goes after those who have made it their aim to wipe them out! This the truth. They will go after those who seek their harm. For sure. And we would to if in their position. (In fact we do had have, many times)


This is an important statement. Israel will also go after those who have continually aided and abetted the radical Muslim jihadists. That's not genocide, its war / conflict.

Holding those who harbor terrorist just as responsible as the terrorists themselves has been US policy for nearly 25 years now.

Many of the same people who had no issue with Obama drone-striking US citizens to keep us safe now lambast Israel for aggressively rooting out terroristic threats to themselves. Truly bizarre.
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I think another major point that needs to brought into this discussion is 'extremism'.

No government, no person, is perfect. Not only are they not perfect they are all, everyone of us - self centered.

My point is, yea there are lot of things about my own government and people that I do not like or agree with.

However, what has happened today ( "again through Goebbelization" repeated and selective media propaganda) is that we strain gnats and swallow camels. We point out he specs on other's eyes while ingnoring the logs in our own. This is the heart of hypocrisy!

So a government that gets it right the vast majority of the time, but fails or falls short or goes against what I think it should do one time, then they become the enemy. This is extremism, a major tactic of the "Goebbels, Saul Alinsky's, (Really Satan as Saul Alinsky dedicated his book to him)

It is to sow division, it is part of the Communist Manifesto. And it is what we call 5th Generation warfare and It will and has worked.

I have seen it in many of my relationships. If I don't get in 100% agreement with someone and I have different perspective on one topic that they get emotionally wrapped up in, I become their enemy!

We have lost the ability to sit down and talk things through, or "come let us reason together". If our founding fathers didn't get through this in the Constitutional convention. we would of died as a nation then and there.

The tactic is immediately to go to ad hominin attacks. This to has been intentional institutionalized in the US ever since the JFK assassination where the term "Conspiracy theorist" was coined by the intelligence community to smear and and de legitimize any one who comes against their narrative. Another quote from "As in the Days"

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. . . ['Conspiracy theorist': An 'ad hominem' (defined earlier) type of personal attack term created specifically by the US intelligence agencies to, dismiss and defer, condescend, mock and smear anyone who would choose to expose, question or disagree with the 'accepted' or 'official' government/authority narrative' on a controversial topic (specifically over the J. F. Kennedy assassination) They do this without having to offer any real evidence to prove these 'conspiracy theorists' wrong or crazy. This is arrogantly and mockingly done to shame, silence and humiliate them and destroy their credibility, and cause people to question the mental competency or stability of anyone who would dare to stand against them, and thus reject their claims out of hand. The Lord Jesus Himself suffered this sort of attack often, even from his "own people" who came to get Him because He was, "out of His mind" (Mark 3:21) and was called many insulting and mocking names, even after performing many undeniable miracles in front of thousands. Noah was the ultimate 'conspiracy theorist whack job'- (until it rained) - as were most of the prophets, apostles and as mentioned, the Lord Himself! He also warned us that if they "hated and mocked Him, they will hate and mock us" John 15:18.)
Some 'conspiracy theories' are intentionally, and carefully crafted lies/deceptions backed up with endless and relentless and REPETITIVE PR and propaganda broadcasting through various media outlets (Social Engineering). This can also be done before a specific event (called false flags) and "Gas lighting" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+%27gaslighting%27%3F&t=brave&ia=web
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation where one person causes another to question their perception of reality, memories, or sanity. This behavior often leads the victim to doubt their own thoughts and feelings, creating confusion and anxiety.
The term "gaslighting" comes from the 1938 play "Gas Light" and its 1944 film adaptation. In these stories, a husband manipulates his wife into believing she is losing her mind by dimming the gas lights and denying it when she notices.

. . .Which can occur after an event to either 'prep', 'desensitize', 'sensationalize', distract or exaggerate things so much as to push them over the realm of plausibility. That way if the cover is blown, the 'whistle blower' - (or group of people) - who blows that cover is immediately labeled as a 'whacked out conspiracy theorist kooks' or a 'racist', a "hater", etc. to both silence, marginalize, humiliate and smear them and cause everyday common people to question their mental competency! Thus, if they can destroy the credibility, character and life of one true 'whistle blower', others will remain silent!

This "conspiracy theorist' ad hominin attack and gaslighting is part and parcel of what is now being called "5th Generation Warfare" or 5GW it is unconventional, it is warfare by deception 'Information and Perception "Social Engineering" (primarily non kinetic not with physical armaments or weapons)': https://www.superessestraps.com/blogs/news/fifth-generation-warfare-how-we-have-already-entered-an-ambiguous-wwiii . . .

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The term "grifter" is now being used more instead of 'conspiracy theorist', But the intent is the same. To delegitimize or cause the masses to question someone and cause them to not read or listen or consider what they may have to say>
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

And that's not logical, but labeling anyone critical of Israel's government as "anti-Semitic" is disingenuous.

Agreed but I'm talking about the people on here who are blatantly looking past the reality of Islam and their actions there.
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So, is this Poetica coffee shop refusing service because of Israel government policies?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/poetica-coffee-dan-goldman-israel-stance-brad-lander-new-york-primary-rcna351343

John Roberts and Kerri Urban covering this just a bit ago. They correctly state that AIPAC, Zionists and other terms are simply dog whistles for anti-semitism.

I think people need to be challenged more with what exactly they are being critical of when they say "my issue is only with the Israeli government policy" or "AIPAC should not be donating money to candidates".

Those folks seem to be long on disdain and very short on reasons and rationale for such disdain.
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Burned into my memory is that horrific October 7 video of a young woman in Israel with hands zip tied and her pants soiled with what I can only describe as the aftermath of a sexual assault being crammed into a car for transport to the prison tunnels of Gaza placed underneath hospitals and UN run schools. If that was my relative or an American I would probably be doing everything in my power to inhume the perpetrators and their supporters from a worldly perspective.
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OPAG said:

Old McDonald said:

the "strait is open, it's the insurance companies' fault no traffic is moving through" talking point has been getting repeated a lot lately. obviously it's just transparent blame deflection, but it makes you wonder where it originated.

It's just the truth. LOL

Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

Anyway, 17 million barrels of oil transited through SOH two days ago. A record.

But the SOH is closed so says a few hardliners from IRAN.

Ah, no it is not closed. They don't have the physical ability to close it.

They are just using fear, Loyd's of London jacked up the insurance rate by calling the SOH a war zone.

We have created counter measures.

Of course you don't understand that the real underground war is against the Globalist who love to create crisis so they can create mssive profits and control. Like Covid.
ah i see, now it's the deep state globalists' fault for conspiring with lloyd's to suppress SoH traffic and make trump and his administration look bad. convenient!
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Old McDonald said:

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Of course you don't understand that the real underground war is against the Globalist who love to create crisis so they can create mssive profits and control. Like Covid.

ah i see, now it's the deep state globalists' fault for conspiring with lloyd's to suppress SoH traffic and make trump and his administration look bad. convenient!

me thinks you understand little about the makeup of insurance underwriters and even better reinsurance companies. Lookup Lloyd's Joint War Committee (like the Fed Reserve, I am sure they are just honest "experts" with no bias and no ability to be influenced).

Also understand the money behind the underwrites is mostly globalist monies - Names like BlackRock, Vanguard, Berkshire Hathaway.

The more you know.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:



All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.

Not that it justifies it, but almost half of those 1200 were not civilians.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:



All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.

Not that it justifies it, but almost half of those 1200 were not civilians.

About 1/3 were IDF and comprised of guys just hanging out on IDF bases, guys at border crossings, guys in communities responding to the attack and off-duty soldiers attending the music festival.

Many were conscripted soldiers and others were unarmed observers.

Care to revise your statement?
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flown-the-coop said:

bigtruckguy3500 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:



All of those people who aren't Hamas would still be alive today if Hamas didn't start the war by murdering 1,200 innocent civilians, and then chose to continue a war they'd never win by refusing to release the hostages and surrendering. All the while hiding behind those civilians knowing a small portion of the anti-Israel west would eat up the "genocide" propaganda. Strange how Hamas is never blamed for their part by the anti-Israel online crusaders.

Not that it justifies it, but almost half of those 1200 were not civilians.

About 1/3 were IDF and comprised of guys just hanging out on IDF bases, guys at border crossings, guys in communities responding to the attack and off-duty soldiers attending the music festival.

Many were conscripted soldiers and others were unarmed observers.

Care to revise your statement?

You're right. For some reason I thought I saw 495 IDF and security forces somewhere. But it looks like the number is 373 IDF and security forces and 695 Israeli civilians, plus 71 foreigners. I have not seen a breakdown of how many IDF died at the music festival - though technically almost everyone in the country is IDF reserves or active at some point.
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YouBet said:

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.


Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/


Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.


You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.


Well, that's news then that they are killing all Shias in Gaza and not just Hamas. Regardless, if you lie down with dogs then you will get fleas so maybe the non-Hamas people there shouldn't support a genocidal terrorist group running their territory.

Well, Hamas is Sunni, so...
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Ag with kids said:

YouBet said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

BlackGold said:

traxter said:

BlackGold said:

YouBet said:

Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.


Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/


Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.


You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.


Well, that's news then that they are killing all Shias in Gaza and not just Hamas. Regardless, if you lie down with dogs then you will get fleas so maybe the non-Hamas people there shouldn't support a genocidal terrorist group running their territory.

Well, Hamas is Sunni, so...


Yeah, I'm referring to earlier post where Hamas is getting lumped into another group to obfuscate them.
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Nice and typical reply.

Doesn't deal with facts or the truth of the statement, just tries to pull out the psuedo ad hominem "conspiracy theorist" tactic.

Even putting up the "laughing emoji".

To answer, yes that is exactly what is happening here.

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