Hizballah is occupying part of Israel depending on whose perspective you use drawing borders in that area.

Also, the concept is that if Lebanon cannot effect its sovereignty over that portion of their country, then Israel and the IDF will do it for them.

But DO NOT try and describe it as an occupation of a peaceful strip of land. It's controlling a war zone because the local authorities cannot.

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I still don't understand how this is the case.

Per Trump their highly enriched uranium was unreachable except by Us or China. What was the imminent threat?

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Good luck getting anyone to explain this clearly including the president. Then if you hear an explanation it often changes.
Even the definition of imminent is a moving target when it comes to this.

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Needs another star.

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What it needs is a recognition that the timing of actions was explained and has been explained continuously since the earliest days. You have been here for that discussion.

You are better than gaslighting that this is moving targets and the concept of "imminent threat" was based on their abilities to be on a permanent, unavoidable path to a nuclear weapon and ability to deliver them across the globe (see posts on the Martyr Soleimani rocket… err mostly peaceful nuclear satellite for Iran's edition of love island / uncle ayatollah's goat farm).

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I think it will be more than the IAEA inspectors sending a group WhatsApp message to the IRGC asking what they are up to on enrichment and then just taking whatever response as a completed "inspection".

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Cute comeback. So China, Russia, UK, France, Germany and the EU all signers of the JCPOA were they all satisfied with these "WhatsApp" inspections?

Trump's big argument against the "Obama Deal" was money-related. Pallets of cash. Unfrozen assets. Sanction relief. (The White House official statement on withdrawing from the deal is interesting reading). Actually valid arguments. But did Trump follow up with a new and better deal to address the nuclear question? Did he mount the same international support for a such a deal? Nope. And President #46 didn't either.

So here we are. I'm predicting the nuke part of the agreement won't look much different than the deal Trump walked away from. And now that Iran has the Strait card, it could be worse. But as Trump likes to say, 'we'll see what happens'.

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Trumps big argument on the JCPOA is that it did NOTHING to prevent the eventual development of a nuclear weapon by Iran.

Why the hell do we need input and support from countries that can no longer even defend themselves and their interests?

And the current status is already light years better than day one of the JCPOA, better than when Trump ended the JCPOA and not even comparable to what would be occurring should the JCPOA have been left to run its course.

JCPOA let Iran retain their claim to the SOH and did nothing to address their funding of proxies.

Other than that you seem to have everything straight.

Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hizballah is occupying part of Israel depending on whose perspective you use drawing borders in that area.

Also, the concept is that if Lebanon cannot effect its sovereignty over that portion of their country, then Israel and the IDF will do it for them.

But DO NOT try and describe it as an occupation of a peaceful strip of land. It's controlling a war zone because the local authorities cannot.

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Hezbollah is absolutely not occupying any territory in Israel. This is a bizarre and incredible claim.

Yes, Lebanon has technically been at war with Israel since 1948. Nobody is saying it's a "peaceful strip of land".

I addressed this earlier, Lebanon may not like Hezbollah but they hate Israel more. Hezbollah literally holds politically elected positions in the Lebanese government. Both the Lebanese government AND Hezbollah, want Israel out of their territory.

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I forget you give legitimacy go the HouthiHizHamasballahs and "Palestinians" as if they have a legit claim to anything other than being degenerate jihadist nomads that even the other most terrible of their Muslim brethren will jot give them any haven unless dome so under threat of terror.

He fixed the problem now by showing a blockade trumps mines and drones, that others are not going to rely on it and will instead adjust their supply chains around it, and that the US is the only country with capabilities to actually open and close it.

It's not the first nor only time the SoH has been used to "blackmail" the world. But it will now be the last.

Trump fixed it. A simple thank you would do.

What bilateral "agreement" did we sign? You mean the one that tells Iran not to **** around for 60 days whilst permanent terms are hammered out?

Trump does want the locals to make their own deal. But it will not involve Iran controlling nor enriching themselves from the Strait of Hormuz. This has been made very clear by Trump, Vance and others.

But you would have to put your faith in something other than Axios, CNN, The Hormuz Letter, etc.

The SOH is open? Have been pretty busy and haven't followed closely this last week. So I'm genuinely asking.

Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Well, doesn't help that Iran also have announced it closed again. Say what you will, but it's not your livelihood and product and even life in the line of fire.

The whole thing is a mess and if the US and Iran can't even agree if the SoH is open or nah, doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the "deal"

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Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Well, doesn't help that Iran also have announced it closed again. Say what you will, but it's not your livelihood and product and even life in the line of fire.

The whole thing is a mess and if the US and Iran can't even agree if the SoH is open or nah, doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the "deal"

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You expect a country who is led by people who have chanted for the death of our Nation and citizens for 50 years to be a straight player on this?

And it doesn't bode well for reaching a formal deal. I think everyone knows that. But the SOH is open and the primary issue is insurability of transit which is being worked on.

How many boats has the Iran navy sunk transiting the SOH since this conflict began?

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Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Well, doesn't help that Iran also have announced it closed again. Say what you will, but it's not your livelihood and product and even life in the line of fire.

The whole thing is a mess and if the US and Iran can't even agree if the SoH is open or nah, doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the "deal"

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You expect a country who is led by people who have chanted for the death of our Nation and citizens for 50 years to be a straight player on this?

And it doesn't bode well for reaching a formal deal. I think everyone knows that. But the SOH is open and the primary issue is insurability of transit which is being worked on.

How many boats has the Iran navy sunk transiting the SOH since this conflict began?

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You are right. No, I do not expect them to be straight players. Actually surprised at my bolded. Figured you'd be all bout that 4d chess and Trump bringing it in or whatever.

We say it is open. Another party has a say about it too though. And there is always the threat of it happening. You don't HAVE to lose passengers due to lack of lifeboats before you make sure you have enough. Again, it's not your money at stake so it is nothing to you.

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Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Great. US taxpayer on the hook for the transport ships that will get destroyed by Iran. Par for the course. What a #$#@ing disaster.

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Yes, has been for weeks. See comments by JD Vance.

Folks who monitor ship transponders have been duped by Tehran Timbo propaganda.

Anyone not transiting is because their insurance carrier is telling them not too or they don't want to pay for extra coverage.

Chubb and other underwrites are working with Trump admin on an insurance solution to get the "hesitant" traffic moving.

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Great. US taxpayer on the hook for the transport ships that will get destroyed by Iran. Par for the course. What a #$#@ing disaster.

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Par for the course is them destroying transport ships that they have yet to do? And somehow US taxpayers are on the hook?

I said the admin was working with insurance carriers, not funding them. We can strong arm them, carrot them, or stick them but likely we just out in a backstop for catastrophic losses. It's a simple concept with a complex implementation.

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Trump hasn't been clear about anything lately.

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It's almost like it's on purpose. Or maybe it's the dementia. Stay tuned.

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/

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Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Sunnis in Gaza and Shias Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Just going off of Lebanese President's stated desire and plan to get Hez out of Lebanon. His plan has been waylaid and has failed though.

It probably one of the least impressive things about me, but I appreciate the adoration.

But please do not start counting my posts as that gets awkward for all of us.

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Trump hasn't been clear about anything lately.

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It's almost like it's on purpose. Or maybe it's the dementia. Stay tuned.

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You are right. Go back and watch Trump's G7 ending presser. I think you are on to something. Babbling BS. His all-time dopiest 'weave'.

Strait of Hormuz over the last 24 hours.

Interesting to note here, the initial surge in the beginning of the video are all Iran-linked tankers (on the sanction list).

In the tail-end of the video, there are two ships related to Korea.

HMM DAON (IMO: 9869227): Container Ship… pic.twitter.com/1AnDLG7Opm

— HFI Research (@HFI_Research) June 23, 2026

"Deal" update

pic.twitter.com/lTNerJqB2e

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 23, 2026

BREAKING 🔴

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei openly contradicts Vice President Vance:

“Iran has no plans to allow IAEA inspectors to enter nuclear sites that were damaged during the war.” pic.twitter.com/tX3dS1En6O

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 23, 2026

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"Deal" update

pic.twitter.com/lTNerJqB2e

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 23, 2026

BREAKING 🔴

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei openly contradicts Vice President Vance:

“Iran has no plans to allow IAEA inspectors to enter nuclear sites that were damaged during the war.” pic.twitter.com/tX3dS1En6O

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) June 23, 2026

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Baby violin playsssssssss.

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/

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Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.

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You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

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Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.

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It's a proven fact; you shoot at the Israelis, they shoot you back. Diffficult concept to grasp, eh?
Nothing like us firebombing German and Japanese cities and killing hundreds of thousands, but that's war.

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Lebanon also wants Hez out of their country, but they can't do dick about it. So, I guess the choice they could make is choose the lesser of two evils in their eyes and side with one of them or continue to just be the ***** of two other groups.

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Hez holds seats in their parliament and represents the vast majority of Shias in the country - probably around a million people. Clearly part of the county feels represented by them right or wrong. Probably also helps explain why Israel levels whole apartments… to kill all the Shia.

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Yeah, I believe the IDF warned Christians and Druze not to house displaces Shias or they risk their homes being bombed. I think they're really trying to put pressure on the Shias to hate Hezbollah by displacing them, and then making it so no one else in the country can help them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1sd3lfo/israel_pressures_christian_and_druze_villages_to/

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Probably just makes them more hard-lined and convicted. They've been consistent for years.

Also definitely not a genocide being perpetrated by Israel in the region…. Killing all the Shias in Gaza and now in Lebanon. Israel telling people in Lebanon not to shelter the Shia is akin to Germany telling the people under their occupation not to shelter Jews, or else you could be killed.

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You mean Hamas, right? Right?

Because of the 10/07 terrorist massacre?

How is it that we keep seeing comments on here about how awful Israel is for doing stuff while always ignoring who started it?

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Yea they are killing Hamas, along with many other people who aren't Hamas, by the thousands and displacing even more.

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Well, that's news then that they are killing all Shias in Gaza and not just Hamas. Regardless, if you lie down with dogs then you will get fleas so maybe the non-Hamas people there shouldn't support a genocidal terrorist group running their territory.