LMCane said:

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Yes, I trust the Mossad analysis

over some anonymous keyboard warrior on a sports message board.

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Whatever, you probably think they could carry out a deadly pager attack simultaneously over years of meticulous planning. They're just a bunch of dummies.

We need to listen to the real experts, those on the left who have such a deep understanding of these things using their circular logic reporting all with the same gameplan, undermine anything and everything Trump does because the only way we can gets votes (besides cheating) is to proclaim "vote for me, since I'm not Hitler."

Dimon 100% correct!

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"Yes. I mean, I hear some people say, you know, they weren't an imminent threat," Dimon replied. "You know, a threat means I'm threatening you. I might do something bad. These people have been doing something bad for 47 years. They've been killing people. They've been killing Americans. They funded that terrible Hamas thing. Several Americans were killed on October 7th."

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Secure the Hormuz, retrieve the enriched uranium and much crow shall be served on this threads.
Imagine folks who cheer for the US to fail and do so by ignoring success.

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Its looking like "securing the Hormuz" might be blessing Iran with a major new permanent revenue stream via a Hormuz toll booth. That would make Obama pallets of cash look like chump change.

Iran might hand over worthless Uranium for valuable concessions, allowing Trump to sell "victory". Im cheering for that. Thats literally cheering for success, as opposed to cheering for a new ME mess/failure.

Although, it would be cool to see Mark Levin's dog "retreive" the Uranium.

Insert > "scooby jew" golden retriever image

Let's point out some issues then:

"Prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons" vs intelligence saying no active weapons program. In the article itself, it says

Operation Midnight Hammer … "obliterated Iran's nuclear program."

Then... why further large-scale war?


Why do I as an american care about

Destroying Iranian offensive missile capability

Old McDonald said:

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LMCane said:

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This post by Trump is pre-framing what's to come. Read along and you'll start to see it too.

When Trump tells the UK to "go to the Strait and just TAKE IT," the surface read is that he's venting at allies who didn't show up.

But the deeper move is priming the the public (and world) with a new mental frame: the Strait of Hormuz is not Iranian sovereign territory anymore.

It's available real estate. It's takeable. Anyone with courage can have it.

That's a massive Overton Window shift delivered, in a tweet, as an insult to the UK.

A year ago "America controls the Strait of Hormuz" sounded like some twisted fantasy. Today Trump is telling Britain to go grab it themselves like it's a parking spot.

In a few weeks, Trump has normalized the concept of Western control over the Strait so thoroughly that full US seizure now looks like the modest option compared to what he's suggesting allies do on their own. This is intentional.

The persuasion mechanics here are priming plus pre-selling. Whatever the eventual deal includes (US Navy permanent presence, joint patrols, Iranian withdrawal from mining infrastructure) the public will accept it because Trump already told them the Strait is there for the taking. Your subconscious mind has already been primed to accept it.

This "psychological baseline" is going to influence Trump-Iran negotiations. Best believe it.

"The hard part is done" works the same way. He's managing public fatigue.

It translates to "we won, relax, this is cleanup".

This keeps approval from eroding while the Pakistan talks drag through April.

Trump isn't describing reality. He's installing it.

Say the Strait is takeable enough times and it becomes takeable in the public mind.

It's been 10 years of Trump and he still leaves me in awe with his persuasion.

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thank you sharing ChatGPT's thoughts on the matter, anything you would like to add yourself?

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"Trump isn't describing reality. He's installing it."

Has got to be one of the most glazing lines I've heard.

"Generate me a response glazing the presidents actions as a virtuous delusion creator"

AggieCVQ said:

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Let's point out some issues then:

"Prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons" vs intelligence saying no active weapons program. In the article itself, it says

Operation Midnight Hammer … "obliterated Iran's nuclear program."

Then... why further large-scale war?


Why do I as an american care about

Destroying Iranian offensive missile capability

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The Iranians themselves said they had hundreds of kgs of enriched uranium, enough to make 11 nukes...

They answer the second bolded question in the article...

As to why should you care - how about this...if they fire a missile at Europe (which we know they can reach), WELP, we're now in the war, because of NATO Article 5.

So, basically, you didn't WANT the reasons...

Because you just dismissed them anyways. So, my second observation was correct - you're just being disingenuous...

AggieCVQ said:

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Old McDonald said:

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LMCane said:

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This post by Trump is pre-framing what's to come. Read along and you'll start to see it too.

When Trump tells the UK to "go to the Strait and just TAKE IT," the surface read is that he's venting at allies who didn't show up.

But the deeper move is priming the the public (and world) with a new mental frame: the Strait of Hormuz is not Iranian sovereign territory anymore.

It's available real estate. It's takeable. Anyone with courage can have it.

That's a massive Overton Window shift delivered, in a tweet, as an insult to the UK.

A year ago "America controls the Strait of Hormuz" sounded like some twisted fantasy. Today Trump is telling Britain to go grab it themselves like it's a parking spot.

In a few weeks, Trump has normalized the concept of Western control over the Strait so thoroughly that full US seizure now looks like the modest option compared to what he's suggesting allies do on their own. This is intentional.

The persuasion mechanics here are priming plus pre-selling. Whatever the eventual deal includes (US Navy permanent presence, joint patrols, Iranian withdrawal from mining infrastructure) the public will accept it because Trump already told them the Strait is there for the taking. Your subconscious mind has already been primed to accept it.

This "psychological baseline" is going to influence Trump-Iran negotiations. Best believe it.

"The hard part is done" works the same way. He's managing public fatigue.

It translates to "we won, relax, this is cleanup".

This keeps approval from eroding while the Pakistan talks drag through April.

Trump isn't describing reality. He's installing it.

Say the Strait is takeable enough times and it becomes takeable in the public mind.

It's been 10 years of Trump and he still leaves me in awe with his persuasion.

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thank you sharing ChatGPT's thoughts on the matter, anything you would like to add yourself?

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"Trump isn't describing reality. He's installing it."

Has got to be one of the most glazing lines I've heard.

"Generate me a response glazing the presidents actions as a virtuous delusion creator"

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Don't forget "leaves me in awe with his persuasion." LOL. Imagine having that much adoration for the world's largest narcissist.

That is a reason for war.

But that same argument could be made for Russia and China!

Should we preemptively invade them because of what they might do?

AggieCVQ said:

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That is a reason for war.

But that same argument could be made for Russia and China!

Should we preemptively invade them because of what they might do?

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When we do eventually get into some sort of conflict with China, people will say "well we've been at war with them for 50+ years."

See how this works?

Behind the scenes you got Jared Kushner doing his Uncle Bibi's bidding at the negotiation table. In the WH press room you got Hegseth pushing this Holy Christian Crusade angle.

I liked it better when they were victory lapping on "Regime Change" and "total military victory". Lets get back to that and close this out before EO April.

AggieCVQ said:

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That is a reason for war.

But that same argument could be made for Russia and China!

Should we preemptively invade them because of what they might do?

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No.

Because they already HAVE the nuclear weapons.

We can't let the Islamic Republic ever get one, because then options get very limited.


BTW, you asked for a reason for war. You were given one.

Not my fault you don't like it.

Link from the military thread...By K2-HMFIC

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Trump needs the strait open. Repubs can't walk into the midterms with $100+ oil.

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Bingo. Bango. Bongo.

Want a 55-45 Dem-Rep Senate? Have $100/bb oil

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What 8 senate seats are going to flip?

Republicans
Armstrong, Alan (R-OK)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)
Marshall, Roger (R-KS)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Ricketts, Pete (R-NE)
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)
Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)

ETA: Now, the HOUSE could go from a mild loss to a medium loss with oil that high...but even there, there are so few competitive seats left...

MericaFirst said:

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Behind the scenes you got Jared Kushner doing his Uncle Bibi's bidding at the negotiation table. In the WH press room you got Hegseth pushing this Holy Christian Crusade angle.

I liked it better when they were victory lapping on "Regime Change" and "total military victory". Lets get back to that and close this out before EO April.

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Ah...

It's the Jews!!! is back.

I almost was missing that.

Almost...

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It's the Jews!!! is back.

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I dont think its an accident that we repeatedly see people conflate the country of Israel with "the jews".

Kusher wrote in his book about Uncle Bibi coming over to his family home in 1990s. Jared gave up his own bed for Uncle Bibi, and slept in the basement pullout bed. Jared has always been a lib, and Kushners were always big dem donors.

He pivoted his poltical appearance when his father in law entered the WH. But at his core, Kushner is Israel first. He has all the honors and awards from Israel to prove it. "Facts dont care about your feelings" -B.Shapiro

Time to get back to America First.

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Ag with kids said:

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It's the Jews!!! is back.

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I dont think its an accident that we repeatedly see people conflate the country of Israel with "the jews".

Kusher wrote in his book about Uncle Bibi coming over to his family home in 1990s. Jared gave up his own bed for Uncle Bibi, and slept in the basement pullout bed. Jared has always been a lib, and Kushners were always big dem donors.

He pivoted his poltical appearance when his father in law entered the WH. But at his core, Kushner is Israel first. He has all the honors and awards from Israel to prove it. "Facts dont care about your feelings" -B.Shapiro

Time to get back to America First.

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Sure...wtf do the Jews have to do with Israel?

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Link from the military thread...By K2-HMFIC

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Trump needs the strait open. Repubs can't walk into the midterms with $100+ oil.

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Bingo. Bango. Bongo.

Want a 55-45 Dem-Rep Senate? Have $100/bb oil

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What 8 senate seats are going to flip?

Republicans
Armstrong, Alan (R-OK)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)
Marshall, Roger (R-KS)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Ricketts, Pete (R-NE)
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)
Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)

ETA: Now, the HOUSE could go from a mild loss to a medium loss with oil that high...but even there, there are so few competitive seats left...

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NE: Osborn almost won in 2024…he could beat Ricketts in a wave year.
OH: Husted is running against Sherrod Brown…he's a known name…again bad news for Rs in a potential blue wave.
ME: Collins…purple state
NC: Cooper beats Whatley
TX: Talarico would beat Paxton (yes I know this board hates that discussion)
AK: Sullivan can lose to Peltota…again a swingy state with a weird electorate
IA: Ernst is running…open seat…


in a Dem Wave year with oil over $100bb then it's a serious possibility.

Old McDonald said:

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LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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lmao trump is so ******ed. acting like europe is the only one dealing with high fuel prices as if gas didn't just burst through $4 a gallon at home because of his stupidity.

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coming back to this for a moment, because of just how ridiculous this "go get your own oil" play is.

we're about to be inundated in think pieces from the faithful about how trump using this energy crisis in iran as leverage over europe is 5D chess, rather than what it actually is: reactive incoherence with occasional flashes of self-serving instinct.

the trump admin are basically just improvising something they didn't fully think through and are now trying to extract advantage from the chaos while simultaneously trying to end it.

Old McDonald said:

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coming back to this for a moment, because of just how ridiculous this "go get your own oil" play is.

we're about to be inundated in think pieces from the faithful about how trump using this energy crisis in iran as leverage over europe is 5D chess, rather than what it actually is: reactive incoherence with occasional flashes of self-serving instinct.

the trump admin are basically just improvising something they didn't fully think through and are now trying to extract advantage from the chaos while simultaneously trying to end it.

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Think pieces? So you think he should take the Russian/Chinese position and stop bombing now over the arab one to keep going? What ostensible 'allies' should we now be listening to, and of those which ones are helping us?

Europe’s threat to the US is that it will just pay more for oil/gas forever? LOL. It’s a toddler mentality on the continent, threatening to hurt yourselves if the US doesn’t do what you want.

— Clarence Sparrow (@AnonAtLaw) March 31, 2026

That's the political chatter I keep seeing in various flavors/accents. And I'm one hundred percent fine with the euros paying twice or more what we do for energy, short or long term.

Certainly this has been answered, but have mercy.

I thought I remember in June or July of last year '25, USA + Israel obliterated Iran's nuclear capabilities. w joint strikes. were their nuclear capabilities only partly obliterated? and we're still working on it?

or we're just working on replacing the old regime with some assets who promise no nukes? Or, just completely destabilizing the country for our partners? What's the official story at this time, and is that what's really happening? Or does anyone here know...

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That's the political chatter I keep seeing in various flavors/accents. And I'm one hundred percent fine with the euros paying twice or more what we do for energy, short or long term.

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They have paid two to three times more for their gasoline and diesel for decades now. So they haven't cared that much before now.

K2-HMFIC said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Link from the military thread...By K2-HMFIC

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Trump needs the strait open. Repubs can't walk into the midterms with $100+ oil.

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Bingo. Bango. Bongo.

Want a 55-45 Dem-Rep Senate? Have $100/bb oil

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What 8 senate seats are going to flip?

Republicans
Armstrong, Alan (R-OK)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)
Marshall, Roger (R-KS)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Ricketts, Pete (R-NE)
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)
Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)

ETA: Now, the HOUSE could go from a mild loss to a medium loss with oil that high...but even there, there are so few competitive seats left...

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NE: Osborn almost won in 2024…he could beat Ricketts in a wave year.
OH: Husted is running against Sherrod Brown…he's a known name…again bad news for Rs in a potential blue wave.
ME: Collins…purple state
NC: Cooper beats Whatley
TX: Talarico would beat Paxton (yes I know this board hates that discussion)
AK: Sullivan can lose to Peltota…again a swingy state with a weird electorate
IA: Ernst is running…open seat…


in a Dem Wave year with oil over $100bb then it's a serious possibility.

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Fair enough...Although I seriously doubt that the Dems could sweep that even at $150/bbl. Of course, that's still only 7 seats...so 54-46 is probably their high water mark right now.

The House is probably going to change even if oil drops to $65/bbl. Over $100/bbl will just flip a few more of the VERY FEW close seats...

Old McDonald said:

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Old McDonald said:

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LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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lmao trump is so ******ed. acting like europe is the only one dealing with high fuel prices as if gas didn't just burst through $4 a gallon at home because of his stupidity.

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coming back to this for a moment, because of just how ridiculous this "go get your own oil" play is.

we're about to be inundated in think pieces from the faithful about how trump using this energy crisis in iran as leverage over europe is 5D chess, rather than what it actually is: reactive incoherence with occasional flashes of self-serving instinct.

the trump admin are basically just improvising something they didn't fully think through and are now trying to extract advantage from the chaos while simultaneously trying to end it.

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It's almost like you think the Trump admin made up the military plans, instead of having the military execute the plans they have been working on for decades...

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That's the political chatter I keep seeing in various flavors/accents. And I'm one hundred percent fine with the euros paying twice or more what we do for energy, short or long term.

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They have paid two to three times more for their gasoline and diesel for decades now. So they haven't cared that much before now.

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They have never paid what they are now facing. And it's not just 'driving about' that is impacted. Transportation matters to all matter of industrial production/food costs. They are screaming into their pillows about the reality from Germany to the UK/France, and it ranges the spectrum of gas/diesel/NG/jet fuel etc.

Trump will limit our crude exports while blending more heavy Venz crude to lightening it up for our former partners in Europe, this will ease the price in the Americas. Maybe give a discount this winter for Greenland before they sell it to Russia out of spite.
$70-75 oil is good for the producing states.

Don't forget KS. They have a Dem governor.

Ervin Burrell said:

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It's fascinating to me that the people who (rightly) mock the left for crying "racism!" at every turn are the same people who will equate a criticism of Israel's government to hatred of Jews.

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It works, until it doesnt.

I think we saw fallout with the word "racist" after its blatantly irresponsible use. I think a big part of the fallout with this Iran war will be a similar outcome with "jew hater" and "antisemitic".

Im not Jewish, but there are plenty of Jews who dont like their viewpoint on the Iran war being equated with some Nazi perspective. Just like many blacks didnt like their support for Trump being equated to Uncle Tom.

Others also point out, its a last resort tactic when one cant debate the substance. Like what specifically does the US have to gain here?

From reading this thread, it looks like its the same beneift as all the other ME wars. Stop Muslims from ever getting nukes. Hopefully we see that ironed out soon.

Doesn't Pakistan have nuclear weapons?

MericaFirst said:

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Ag with kids said:

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It's the Jews!!! is back.

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I dont think its an accident that we repeatedly see people conflate the country of Israel with "the jews".

Kusher wrote in his book about Uncle Bibi coming over to his family home in 1990s. Jared gave up his own bed for Uncle Bibi, and slept in the basement pullout bed. Jared has always been a lib, and Kushners were always big dem donors.

He pivoted his poltical appearance when his father in law entered the WH. But at his core, Kushner is Israel first. He has all the honors and awards from Israel to prove it. "Facts dont care about your feelings" -B.Shapiro

Time to get back to America First.

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So what your saying is when Kushner was at the table with Iran he was representing uncle BIBI and not our country. Hard to believe all the expert statesmen we have we sent 2 Israel first guys to try and stop this war. It always adds up but it never adds up. See Epstein

Ervin Burrell said:

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LMCane said:

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This post by Trump is pre-framing what's to come. Read along and you'll start to see it too.

When Trump tells the UK to "go to the Strait and just TAKE IT," the surface read is that he's venting at allies who didn't show up.

But the deeper move is priming the the public (and world) with a new mental frame: the Strait of Hormuz is not Iranian sovereign territory anymore.

It's available real estate. It's takeable. Anyone with courage can have it.

That's a massive Overton Window shift delivered, in a tweet, as an insult to the UK.

A year ago "America controls the Strait of Hormuz" sounded like some twisted fantasy. Today Trump is telling Britain to go grab it themselves like it's a parking spot.

In a few weeks, Trump has normalized the concept of Western control over the Strait so thoroughly that full US seizure now looks like the modest option compared to what he's suggesting allies do on their own. This is intentional.

The persuasion mechanics here are priming plus pre-selling. Whatever the eventual deal includes (US Navy permanent presence, joint patrols, Iranian withdrawal from mining infrastructure) the public will accept it because Trump already told them the Strait is there for the taking. Your subconscious mind has already been primed to accept it.

This "psychological baseline" is going to influence Trump-Iran negotiations. Best believe it.

"The hard part is done" works the same way. He's managing public fatigue.

It translates to "we won, relax, this is cleanup".

This keeps approval from eroding while the Pakistan talks drag through April.

Trump isn't describing reality. He's installing it.

Say the Strait is takeable enough times and it becomes takeable in the public mind.

It's been 10 years of Trump and he still leaves me in awe with his persuasion.

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Hardest working man in coming up with defenses for Dear Leader (besides ftc, of course).

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i think they are the same person at this point

Of course, claiming "its Israel, not the Jews" is akin to jon Stewart saying "im just a comic" when he gets called out.

The problem is the old trope that Jews control everything in the world. When you see things like "Israel led the usa into this" or "Kushner and bibi influenced trump" or "Israel's war" or the dozens of other arguments here that, at the very least, walk right up to the line of what would be considered traditional antisemitism. Except the word jew is replaced with Israel, as if thats some magic bullet that absolves one.

I, for one, think it'd be far more convincing if people stuck to why this war is bad for the usa, on its own merits, without invoking Israel

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Trump will limit our crude exports while blending more heavy Venz crude to lightening it up for our former partners in Europe, this will ease the price in the Americas. Maybe give a discount this winter for Greenland before they sell it to Russia out of spite.
$70-75 oil is good for the producing states.

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banning exports and manipulating prices is command economics, full stop. the people who'd scream loudest about it are us oil producers, who happen to be trump's strongest handlers. so the economics are shaky and the politics are a non-starter.