As long as we don't go boots on the ground (in a major way, I'm sure we got some guys in there already), I'm fine. **** Iran, **** Russia, **** China, **** Venezuela, and **** all our enemies. I don't mind spending $$$ on putting them in their place. Much better than most of the crap we waste it on.

Definitely not a model for long term economic success, but they accoplished a lot in that time period. So much so, that we offered amnesty for their top engineers, scientists, innovators, etc... to come to America. Point is, there is good with the bad. Where would America be today without Werner Von Braun. He was a home grown German talent that had enough intellectual equity that we couldn't afford to not bring him into the fold. Even overlooking the mass destruction he was directly responsible for.

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Have fun over there with tucker and fuentes

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I don't know about Fuentes, but Tucker is about the only sane voice in media. Sorry it causes so much butt hurt here.

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Tucker is complete and utter sell out. an absolute clown show.

OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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Have fun over there with tucker and fuentes

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I don't know about Fuentes, but Tucker is about the only sane voice in media. Sorry it causes so much butt hurt here.

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Tucker is complete and utter sell out. an absolute clown show.

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And Tucker's virulent antisemitism infects other clowns.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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If your America First movement allows Iran nukes and the missiles to deliver bombs worldwide, same as the Obama and Libertarian doctrine, you are a danger to America.

Excellent summary thank you

It'll be really funny when, in 10+ years time, the justification for US involvement turns out to be a big lie and that this administration executed this war on the behalf of special domestic/foreign interests. At least people like Walsh are being ideologically consistent in their position (i.e. Constitutional Conservatism/Originalist intent + Founding Father's position on foreign entanglements). Given the recent history of US Foreign Affairs, cynicism IMO is a prudent approach.

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If this military campaign goes longer than a couple months, it will destroy Trumps legacy and midterms. Trump needs to find an off ramp in next few weeks, chalk it up as a win, and blame any fallout in Ben Net. That's the most likely outcome.

F16 has a very short memory.

Donald Trump has spent ten years promising not to start new wars.

A short compilation 🤡💀 pic.twitter.com/tOxr6MszWV

— Parody Jeff (@BackupJeffx) March 3, 2026

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Now do the videos of him talking about Iran over the last decade. Sometimes peace takes strength.

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Yeah. Let's hope this time is different. If any POTUS has broken the mold, its Trump.

But still, there is a military industrial complex in DC and Israel's influence is very strong. So the probability is against Trump being able to end US involvement/funding quick. Thats were the skepticism comes from. Its a healthy concern and doesn't make you Jane Fonda.

Putting aside your personal beliefs, this level of isolationism isn't a winner. Voters don't want troops on the ground with no end in sight, massive expenditures and significant losses. Assuming Trump doesn't plan any level of occupation (as he has stated but we shall see) then this is exactly how we should be exercising our foreign influence. Impair threats but don't occupy. If the next guy wants to FA then he will also FO. The lesson that should have been learned from the Bush era is there's no point in trying to install a regime through military force. It will never hold up. The calculus is simply how bad is the current regime and how likely is the next one to be worse? In this case, let's say the current (past?) regime was a 93 out of 100 on the bad guy scale. How likely are you to wind up with a 94+ with the next hombres?

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It'll be really funny when, in 10+ years time, the justification for US involvement turns out to be a big lie and that this administration executed this war on the behalf of special domestic/foreign interests. At least people like Walsh are being ideologically consistent in their position (i.e. Constitutional Conservatism/Originalist intent + Founding Father's position on foreign entanglements). Given the recent history of US Foreign Affairs, cynicism IMO is a prudent approach.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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If your America First movement allows Iran nukes and the missiles to deliver bombs worldwide, same as the Obama and Libertarian doctrine, you are a danger to America.

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I'm gonna guess you're probably 65 or older.

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The Iran and Venezuela operations are proxy wars with China. The quest for energy. Regional control of the amerias and Middle East. We are also attempting to hem China in near their coast. Building up Japan with offensive fire power for first time since WW2.

Nothing more and nothing less. It is in our interests. China has been dominating in the American hemisphere. And was getting Iran to build their missiles in hopes we would allow them to build Iran up uncontested.

Trump's brilliant. Hopefully it works. Hopefully conservatives figure this **** out.

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Precisely this.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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If your America First movement allows Iran nukes and the missiles to deliver bombs worldwide, same as the Obama and Libertarian doctrine, you are a danger to America.

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I'm gonna guess you're probably 65 or older.

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I am 48 and he is spot on. This new ultra-right, *******ized libertarian some seem to be recently caught up on is just... bizarre. Maybe its some younger folks just realizing how the big boy game works, but you learn to play in it not blow it up and hope what comes back is rainbows and unicorns.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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If your America First movement allows Iran nukes and the missiles to deliver bombs worldwide, same as the Obama and Libertarian doctrine, you are a danger to America.

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I'm gonna guess you're probably 65 or older.

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I've heard the same lame Libertarian / Leftist talking points for a long time.

Give Iran the bomb, return the land to the the American Indians and pay reparations. LOL. Lame.

These viewpoints and derangement are not new.

It's a worldview that says don't intervene, because it gives them an excuse to attack Americans. Let them attack Americans without an excuse so we can be morally superior.

There's a balance between restraint and deranged that can occur on either side of the Neo Con warmongering and the peacenik libertarian. Dave Smith and the like are on the deranged end of non-intervention.

The Hidden War: Why Iran Is Actually China’s Strategic Asset. China’s Secret Middle East Strategy Is Collapsing.

Iran is not just a rogue state. It is a core pillar of China’s Middle East strategy.

Beijing buys nearly 90% of Iran’s oil exports, builds the digital… pic.twitter.com/GATWlRrHdp

— Ken Cao-The China Crash Chronicle (@Ken_LoveTW) March 4, 2026

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It'll be really funny when, in 10+ years time, the justification for US involvement turns out to be a big lie and that this administration executed this war on the behalf of special domestic/foreign interests. At least people like Walsh are being ideologically consistent in their position (i.e. Constitutional Conservatism/Originalist intent + Founding Father's position on foreign entanglements). Given the recent history of US Foreign Affairs, cynicism IMO is a prudent approach.

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Meh, not much of a war with no boots on the ground. I suspect Iran will soon cry uncle and that'll be the end of it.

It seems to me that Trump has done the same thing he crucified Bush for doing after 9/11 with WMDs in Iraq.

(Which trump probably would have never said about Bush in the first place if Bush had only endorsed him.)

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Lol I thought this was about to be Make America Fat Again.

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Every single time I have seen someone write MAFA in the last few days I always immediately think the same exact thing.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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Most here above the age of 50 were educated in a school system that still prioritized education over indoctrination.

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OP I'm not sure what generation you were born in, but there is a giant population of people under 50 who agree with you. TexAgs is probably not where you're going to find a whole terrible lot of that mindset. Most here are either Big Government Republicans, or just rooting for Trump like he's the second coming.

The pending economic catastrophe will further accelerate the movement toward America First so keep your chin up things are changing.

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I rarely posted on politics, if ever, before all this Iran ***** But it really does seem like an echo chamber in here. I appreciate your comment, and it makes me optimistic that we'll actually get a real America first movement in the future.

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If your America First movement allows Iran nukes and the missiles to deliver bombs worldwide, same as the Obama and Libertarian doctrine, you are a danger to America.

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I'm gonna guess you're probably 65 or older.

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I am 48 and he is spot on. This new ultra-right, *******ized libertarian some seem to be recently caught up on is just... bizarre. Maybe its some younger folks just realizing how the big boy game works, but you learn to play in it not blow it up and hope what comes back is rainbows and unicorns.

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Its the "we held our nose and voted for Trump" crowd. But they don't say that out loud for the most part. Low-key TDS folks. They start alot of conversations with, "look, I voted for Trump 3 times.....BUT I don't like xyz he's doing". And they don't like much of anything he's doing. Its the Doomer class. They generally don't acknowledge all the W's the administration has had, only L's. And if they disagree with something, it's goes in the Loss column.

I am also 48.

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America is great again; we are out of the confines of the demmy's ungodly movement.

But now Im team MAFA; Make America First Again. Why is this a bad thing? Since when do we put American citizen's freedoms, safety and tax dollars at risk because of someone else's agenda?

I was clearly born in the wrong generation. If we have excess and can help other people in a godly way, sure, let's help them. But we've clearly got things here on the home front that need correcting, and people here on our shores that can use our benefits. Why are we fighting the world's wars?

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It is in the best interests of the United States to end the Iranian government.

We tried negotiating. It did not work.

We tried releasing money to them. That only gave them the opportunity to undermine their neighbors in building their proxy thug networks throughout the Middle East.

We tried allowing them nuclear capacity. They had no intention of using it for anything but bringing about the 12th Caliphate.

We have tried diplomacy. We've tried bribery. We've tried total appeasement.

The one thing we didn't try? Kicking their ass Jacksonian style.

We should have done it in 1979. We should have done it in OIF when the Quds forces were caught red-handed assisting the insurgents in the placement of plasma IEDs in the way of our forces.

Thank God we have a POTUS who understands that killing your enemy is a perfectly legitimate option when all other methods have proven ineffective.

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And to add to this. Trump is looking 20 to 30 years down the road. He is making not just America but the entire world safer for the long haul.

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The Iran and Venezuela operations are proxy wars with China. The quest for energy. Regional control of the amerias and Middle East. We are also attempting to hem China in near their coast. Building up Japan with offensive fire power for first time since WW2.

Nothing more and nothing less. It is in our interests. China has been dominating in the American hemisphere. And was getting Iran to build their missiles in hopes we would allow them to build Iran up uncontested.

Trump's brilliant. Hopefully it works. Hopefully conservatives figure this **** out.

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Precisely this.

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Yep 100%. Most people are not seeing the forest for the trees. I do think there is some valid fear that Iran was building up to launch a massive attack on Israel that would overload their defenses but that probably only served to get Israel on board. From our perspective this was about China primarily and Russia secondly.