What's going with the water in Corpus Christi

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My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2026/03/08/texas-corpus-christi-water-crisis/

This article provides quite a bit of the back story on CC arrived at the crisis they see today.

I went to HS with the mayor of Corpus and remember the day I heard she was elected. No one would have ever predicted that when we were in school.
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American Hardwood said:

Well it's a good thing that the Welder property is over the Evangeline aquifer then.


Which has essentially the same recharge rate as the Carrizo?
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ABATTBQ11 said:

AozorAg said:

They recently voted against starting a desalination program too. That city is run by ******s. And yes, the industry there is also using too much of the wafer.


That is still on the table, and they had good reason with the ballooning costs.

The costs ballooned because they kept increasing the output they wanted from the plant and asking for new things to be added to the design. When you won't stop changing the desired endpoint during the design process, don't complain when the price keeps changing.
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4 said:

If they would call it by it's correct name, it would always be full


Lake Mathis?
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CanyonAg77 said:

4 said:

If they would call it by it's correct name, it would always be full


Lake Mathis?


Say your a true local, without saying your a true local.
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Not a local, but went fishing there several times in the mid 1960s. Fell off a concrete wall in front of our cabin onto the shore, cut my hand wide open on broken glass, still have a visible scar.
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YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?
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FriendlyAg said:

Has the city not been charging water impact fees to approve industrial projects so that infrastructure could be improved for newcomers and existing customers? Isn't that the whole point of impact fees?



That's a head scratcher. It looks like they collect some sort of "infrastructure trust fee" that probably serves as an impact fee of sorts. Considering the predicament they are in, these look pretty low.


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K2-HMFIC said:

The de-sal plant was cancelled by the sport fishing lobby.

Too much industry drawing too much water.

But most importantly, not enough rainfall on the Nueces River watershed (Bracketville, Carrizo Springs, Tilden).

And the Frio-Seco-Hondo Creek watersheds feeding Choke Canyon.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

AozorAg said:

They recently voted against starting a desalination program too. That city is run by ******s. And yes, the industry there is also using too much of the wafer.


That is still on the table, and they had good reason with the ballooning costs.

No, they didn't have good reason. That's horse ****
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Nothing moves more slowly, less efficiently, and at higher costs than government and government projects.
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If the Port gets shut down expect this to become a national issue…remember this is an election year and gas prices are already high.
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knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?
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YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.
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Texas shoulda made st augustine grass illegal years ago, problem solved.
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K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

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The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.
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The refining and petchem users can't generally "cut back" on the water they use without drastically altering their processes. A 25% reduction doesn't just mean turning dials down 25%; it often means idling units. So unless you want to Gavin Newsome one of our biggest industrial and port centers in the US, there needs to be a better understanding of this sort of "hey, industry, just use 25% less water" talking point. It's all a tactic to divert blame from the city government.
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knoxtom said:

Corpus is in serious trouble and will run dry this summer or next.

The desalination plant was not approved because they did not have energy capacity to run it. Desalination takes a HUGE amount of energy and they choose air conditioners and refining over water.

Water in the system does not make it to the corpus lakes.

The aquifer is running very low. If water were not being grabbed to run fracking up north then they would have more water in the aquifer, which would mean more in the river system. The rule in Texas is that whoever gets the water first owns it (Capture) so the guys up north are grabbing all they can and using it to push out oil. That means Austin and San Antonio don't have as much in the Edwards aquifer and they take more surface water, which means less for Corpus.

The State of Texas was approached 6-8 years ago with a plan to trade unused highway funds to Louisiana for water running into the Gulf of Mexico, which would then be piped to Austin and San Antonio. At the time Louisiana had a Democrat governor and the Texas Governor said he wouldn't cross the aisle. Even when told it was a 50 year solution for Central TX and central gulf water problems, he refused.

Water politics in Texas is in a bad place and is run by some bad people. And since using water is more profitable for oil, they get it over the commoners.

A couple years ago I thought about writing a book about the water wars in Texas. People think it is an issue for the future but this stuff has gone on for the last 20 years and the proverbial **** is about to hit the fan. Texas is in BIG trouble. There are so many band aids on the system right now.

I listened to hours upon hours of the comments and responses before the council voted not to proceed with the desal plant design, and the lack of energy to operate it was not a topic of discussion. Social justice and who was going to foot the lion's share of the bill were much larger concerns and ultimately drove the vote against it. The increasing price estimate and lack of understanding about why definitely drove the discussion, and Kiewit did not send a rep to the meeting to defend the fact that the cost escalation was a direct result of CC's everchanging demands for changes to the design. When you ask them to double the output of the plant, and then nearly double it again, and then decide to put all of the utilities underground, guess what, the price is going way up. It was later suggested here, by Schmelba I think, that Kiewit didn't show up because they wanted out of the mess the project was going to be. The city has since voted to revive the project design process, but with a new contractor procurement.

The water being pulled for fracking from the edwards is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount being pulled to keep grass green and swimming pools filled. The vast majority of the water being sold for fracking is coming from the Carrizo Wilcox and Evangeline aquifers. The state of the Frio watershed is much more about ongoing drought than excess water use, though groundwater pumping in the western edwards is increasing. The rule of capture was largely done away with in 99 with the bill allowing the establishment of groundwater conservation districts to manage and permit groundwater extraction. They are weaker than they should be and there is an effort underway to find ways to strengthen their ability to limit wasteful water usage.

There is plenty of excess water in Lake Toledo Bend available for transfer to other basins without having to pay Louisiana anything. But the cost of building conveyance to get it anywhere it is needed is not currently worth it. There was a prop passed last fall to make a billion dollars available for shovel ready water projects, including conveyance construction. But so far, the cost to construct conveyances from there to where it is needed is too much to make it worth it.
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Jason C. said:

The refining and petchem users can't generally "cut back" on the water they use without drastically altering their processes. A 25% reduction doesn't just mean turning dials down 25%; it often means idling units. So unless you want to Gavin Newsome one of our biggest industrial and port centers in the US, there needs to be a better understanding of this sort of "hey, industry, just use 25% less water" talking point. It's all a tactic to divert blame from the city government.


I'm not disputing that or absolving the city. It's just completely different than what has been said by the city in past months so that was surprising to read. It sounds to me like idling some of this industry is inevitable.

Hope Texas is ready for that because it will have some quite large impacts.
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The real travesty, is the local politics and lack of real leadership caused this. This is been coming for 20 years; you could see it coming a long time ago and yet we did nothing.

In a way, Corpus gets what it deserves. I chose to live here because I love the water and the beach. (I should have found a career in Pensacola or Tampa when I was younger). Anyway, we have made our home here, work our tails off and need about 11 more years before we retire. I hope we get that, but we might not.
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Are you from La Grange?
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YouBet said:

Jason C. said:

The refining and petchem users can't generally "cut back" on the water they use without drastically altering their processes. A 25% reduction doesn't just mean turning dials down 25%; it often means idling units. So unless you want to Gavin Newsome one of our biggest industrial and port centers in the US, there needs to be a better understanding of this sort of "hey, industry, just use 25% less water" talking point. It's all a tactic to divert blame from the city government.


I'm not disputing that or absolving the city. It's just completely different than what has been said by the city in past months so that was surprising to read. It sounds to me like idling some of this industry is inevitable.

Hope Texas is ready for that because it will have some quite large impacts.



As with all problems, there's going to be a lot of blame to go around, HOWEVER…the impact of this cannot be understated.
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YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.
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The Chicken Ranch said:

The real travesty, is the local politics and lack of real leadership caused this. This is been coming for 20 years; you could see it coming a long time ago and yet we did nothing.

In a way, Corpus gets what it deserves. I chose to live here because I love the water and the beach. (I should have found a career in Pensacola or Tampa when I was younger). Anyway, we have made our home here, work our tails off and need about 11 more years before we retire. I hope we get that, but we might not.


I feel you man. That sucks. We don't have the roots in the ground here like you do so easier for us to leave, but very good chance we take a huge hit on sale price of our house trying to get out. As soon as the market learns about this, home prices are going to plummet like a m'fer. Good chance we take a major haircut on this house.
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txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.
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YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.

I haven't read the language in the surcharge deals or their drought contingency plans, so it may be that under the current deals they are exempt, which would make the Tribunes reporting accurate. But the city may also have the power to revoke those exemptions in emergency situations, which would mean the city's claims are accurate as well.
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txags92 said:

YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.

I haven't read the language in the surcharge deals or their drought contingency plans, so it may be that under the current deals they are exempt, which would make the Tribunes reporting accurate. But the city may also have the power to revoke those exemptions in emergency situations, which would mean the city's claims are accurate as well.


Sounds like we are going to find out IRL.
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YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

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The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.

I haven't read the language in the surcharge deals or their drought contingency plans, so it may be that under the current deals they are exempt, which would make the Tribunes reporting accurate. But the city may also have the power to revoke those exemptions in emergency situations, which would mean the city's claims are accurate as well.


Sounds like we are going to find out IRL.

Never underestimate the power of CC government to F things up. If there is a way, they will find it.
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YouBet said:

The Chicken Ranch said:

The real travesty, is the local politics and lack of real leadership caused this. This is been coming for 20 years; you could see it coming a long time ago and yet we did nothing.

In a way, Corpus gets what it deserves. I chose to live here because I love the water and the beach. (I should have found a career in Pensacola or Tampa when I was younger). Anyway, we have made our home here, work our tails off and need about 11 more years before we retire. I hope we get that, but we might not.


I feel you man. That sucks. We don't have the roots in the ground here like you do so easier for us to leave, but very good chance we take a huge hit on sale price of our house trying to get out. As soon as the market learns about this, home prices are going to plummet like a m'fer. Good chance we take a major haircut on this house.

None of the interests groups were incentivized to do anything.

The people (a bunch of whom fish) didn't want the desal plant.

The petrochem companies werent going to complain as long as water flowed and they got what they wanted.

No one wanted to pay the taxes required to extend the pipeline further up north.

This is the crappy part about democracies...until theres an actual crisis leadership/voters arent incentivized to make hard choices.
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txags92 said:

YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.

I haven't read the language in the surcharge deals or their drought contingency plans, so it may be that under the current deals they are exempt, which would make the Tribunes reporting accurate. But the city may also have the power to revoke those exemptions in emergency situations, which would mean the city's claims are accurate as well.


Sounds like we are going to find out IRL.

Never underestimate the power of CC government to F things up. If there is a way, they will find it.

Dip****s in my local mismanaged water pipeline for 4 or 5 months.

We are 6 weeks from running out of water. Government ****s up every single thing that they touch.

Even basic **** like water. NE Austin suburb

Plenty of stupid ******s yelling at clouds by the local CVS though about Ukraine, ICE, no Kangs, and what not malcontents.

Stupid ret@rds might somehow outlast the water supply.

Most Austin thing to ever happen
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YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

txags92 said:

YouBet said:

K2-HMFIC said:

YouBet said:

knoxtom said:

YouBet said:

My question on this is why industry hasn't gotten the federal government involved. 50% of the oil exported from the USA to other countries comes out of Corpus. That's kind of a big deal.

Maybe that can be diverted elsewhere easily when industry takes a 25% cut of their water here in a few months and then more than that when this isn't solved? I don't know.

I know Trump made a comment about helping Corpus when he was here last week but who knows what that means, if anything. Regardless, any solution is going to take years to implement.



You think Trump is going to help Corpus at the expense of Austin, San Antonio, Exxon, and the fracking giants of the permian?

There is no diversion that can happen. Texas made its choice and that choice was for industry and profit. Corpus also made its choice. Can you honestly look at Corpus and say they do anything for the residents? It is a profit driven, O&G based City in which they have abandoned every other interest EXCEPT the petrochemical lobby. From the history of Hillcrest through today, what about Corpus Christi says they will ever divert from industrial interests to things like drinking water?


I've only lived in the area full-time for 2.5 years. I have little history with Corpus and how they operate. All I know is what's happening right now sucks and is why we are leaving.

My comment on diversion was the 50% of oil that currently leaves the Port of Corpus Christi. Who picks that up and how and when if industry here implodes due to no water?



It doesn't and the ME is gonna be down for a bit…

The next six months are going to be uber spicy…which electorally will make things worse for POTUS.


Well, this is a bigger f'ing disaster than I thought. This will definitely be national news.

Also, from the Texas Tribune article this jumped out at me because it's 180 different from what Corpus City Council proclaimed months ago which was that industry would have to take a 25% cut in water supply. This article says industry is exempt from that.

Quote:

The region's largest industrial users, which collectively consume the majority of the region's water, remain exempt from emergency curtailment.



Industrial users have paid a surcharge in the past to be exempt from lower levels of water use restrictions, but my understanding is that they are not exempt from restrictions in "emergencyl situations. The surcharges paid were never enough to pay for additional sources to be developed and Corpus has done a poor job of distributing costs for new development to those who are causing the new higher demands.


Well, then someone is lying or wrong because the city has said they are not exempt while the Texas Tribune says twice in their article that they are.

I haven't read the language in the surcharge deals or their drought contingency plans, so it may be that under the current deals they are exempt, which would make the Tribunes reporting accurate. But the city may also have the power to revoke those exemptions in emergency situations, which would mean the city's claims are accurate as well.


Sounds like we are going to find out IRL.

Wait till the Trump Admin declares a national security emergency and nationalizes the Port under DPA.
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The saltwater discharge is a red herring. The Harbor Island discharge will be out in the Gulf. The inner harbor discharge will be in 50' of water in the ship channel.

In reality, I bet much of the brine will not even be released. Technology and the need for rare earth minerals are aligned as such that the magnesium and potassium in the brine will be extracted and harvested.
 
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