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I like Trump but I don't really understand how Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons if we obliterated their capabilities in Midnight Hammer? And were they truly close to having missiles capable of reaching mainland US? Given the military butt-kicking they just incurred, it seems far fetched.

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In the Iranian negotiations w/ Wircoff, it was the Iranians that said they had enough weapons grade uranium to make a make 11 nuclear bombs. There were likely research in development weapons grade Uranium centrifuges still left in the country.

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If we don't need to be in the Middle East, why are we there? Worthless speech. Dude needs to stick to tweeting or whatever they call it now.

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because the Islamic terrorist regime wanted to shove a nuclear weapon up …,,,,,.

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How can you spin it otherwise? I'm a 3x Trump voter by the way and am really pissed about what's going on in Iran.

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There's a range of views here. I'm a 3X Trump voter too, and I understand why we're engaging Iran militarily. I don't particularly like Trump as a person, but it's just inconceivable to me that we would let them continue developing a nuclear weapon and massively increase their non-nuclear missile stockpiles, because it's super obvious they would use them to harm others including us. They're already responsible for hundreds if not thousands of Americans deaths over the years.

Seems like the right call at the right time for a task that you wish like hell we could avoid and be ok with avoiding. But that's not reality. We know where this was headed if we didn't act.

I think he's being very smart to avoid tangling large amount of ground troops into a forever war, and I like how he's pushing our so-called allies to take some ownership for opening the strait. They need that oil -- we don't.

Is it messy? Sure, but there was no solution here that wasn't going to be messy. The others in that area (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, etc.) will take much more ownership going forward to keep Iran constrained now that we've broken the ice.

As for US politics, the R's are going to get shellacked in the midterms. Not so much because of vitriolic opposition to the war by a large percentage of voters, but the downstream economic impacts instead. The economy was already soft with a lot of people struggling with affordability. The impact of higher oil prices on gas and food won't be appreciated by voters, who place pocketbook issues front and center, regardless of whether it's the D's or R's in charge.

It wasn't a particularly good speech - a long way from being one of his finest speeches.

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IMO the dumbest talking point is that we are going to take the oil

Can't take the oil
Without holding the ground which would require 10's of thousands of boots on the ground

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I've seen commentators suggest taking the oil. I have not seen anyone in the admiration say we're Taking the oil or Kharg. Trump has said we can easily destroy it

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Google is your friend give it the prompt of "how many times has trump talked about taking other countries oil". He has been saying it since 2016 and every foreign military action is usually accompanied with we should take the oil or some other resource.

Again you can't just take Oil or Rare earth metals these resources are not in a warehouse ready to be plundered. The resources are in the ground and it takes equipment expertise and time to convert these resources into something useful

On a side note if you haven't heard Trump ramble about taking other countries resources you might want to expand your sources of news

Technically not a member of the administration but Senator Graham who seems to be on the inside of this military action referenced Kharg and said the Marines could do it just like they did on Iwo Jima obviously an Iwo Jima style assault is ludicrous which might be why right leaning news outlets are not replaying that interview on every news cast

Again Google is your friend he said on Fox News sunday

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Um what does all that have to do with Iran exactly? He has not said he wants to take Irans oil since this has started

Has he even taken someones oil? Venezuela? Is that it, we are paying for that btw

But keep deflecting and making crap up

Well said. There are lot of Republicans out there who are fed up with a lot of Trump's BS.

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Doesn't he look tired?

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The guy works about 18 hours a day, jets all over the world and has the weight of the world on his shoulders, of course he is.

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And takes naps during meetings like it's no big deal.

Sorry, he is tired. He should rest at night rather than troll on social media at night.

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He's actually trying to help America and the world. I'm sorry his schedule upsets you so much. It's funny this man literally does about 50 things at a time but it's still not good enough for y'all. And God forbid he close his eyes a few times in a meeting.

Holy **** none of you guys could even hold a candle to this man for 15 minutes. But it is constant bull**** and complaints from y'all. You know what if you want go on and hate him go ahead. The fatigue is real.

I thank God where we are this year compared to where we were the previous four. And I damn well know the people Iran are very grateful. But I guess y'all know better than them as well.

JFC

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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IN BEFORE RINO

Average Joe said:

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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Its not whether or not you voted Democrat before. Its that in this instance, saying the war was a mistake and a broken promise is thinking like a Democrat.

Take that for what its worth. When it comes time to put up, siding with the Don Lemons, Joe Mikas and Jessica Tarlovs is not what supporters of a great POTUS would do.

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Well said. There are lot of Republicans out there who are fed up with a lot of Trump's BS.

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What BS? Specifically.

Is this coming from the same source that says so many Republicans regret their vote for Trump?

So now people voted for Trump have sold their soul to the party? What is wrong with some of you?

Many of us who voted for Trump, don't like everything he does despite what some of you with massive TDS for those that think the world and president need to be perfect seem to think, but overall he's been a very good president both times. The over the top frustration and anger at this man are always so amusing to me.

He's been a better president than both Bush's by far.

I'm seriously worried about some of y'all's blood pressure. Outside of this forum, I don't really think or talk about politics too much, occasionally maybe, but some of you seem to live in it 24/7.

No one and I don't care who you are could ever live up to the expectations that some of you have of this man.

And none of you will ever live up to the pressure and situations a president has to deal with. Lots of Monday quarterbacks here.

I've truly never seen an obsession with Trump for any other human being like this for anyone else in my lifetime. And again, if you see what he was saying, 40 years ago, he's still saying the same things for the most part.

I think it's fair to say the second term has been lackluster aside from some fun executive orders and securing the border. I think leading off with tariffs last year when the economy was still soft and inflation wasn't under control was a big mistake, and cost Trump a lot of political capital. Now we have this very unpopular (unless you're a boomer who watches Fox News) unnecessary war with Iran in a midterm election year.

This thread is either people for global terrorism or against.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes

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Just an Ag said:

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Nicely done by Prez Trump! We took care of the nuke threat, weakened Iran militarily and economically, and now he put the monkey of policing the Straits of Hormuz on the backs of the those who have an interest in it. All Iran has is oil and they need the Straits open as much as anybody.

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Except there was no nuke threat. After being attacked do you think they are more or less inclined to obtain a nuke. People tend to think twice about attacking when you have those. But anyway...

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Really. For nuke power you need to enrich uranium to 5%. For a Hiroshima type device you need about 65% enrichment. So Iran was around 60% or 55% above whats needed for peaceful nuke power generation. And by the way Stuxnet, 2010, happened for a very good reason.

I guess people that buy this line of BS are bad at math and critical thinking. You know typical lib stuff, that is why this is the dumbest thing I have read all day. With the left, if the party bosses dont say it, then it cant be true.

Wow

Well, at least we can agree on Aggie baseball.

bthovandy

Always. I have learned not to take this stuff super personally.

docb said:

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Well said. There are lot of Republicans out there who are fed up with a lot of Trump's BS.

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I was very vocal regarding not backing Trump in the primary because I felt the R's had better candidates. and caught hell for it. But once Trump won the nom and the Demwits threw out the primary votes and appointed their "candidate". I was on board the Trump train. Its not that I support Trump ardently. Its that I despise the left.

As flawed as he is Trump is a billion times better than a socialist loser from a loser party that cheats every time it gets the chance. Biden damn near wrecked this nation auto pen and all. Never forget that folks.

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Always. I have learned not to take this stuff super personally.

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Me neither. People can agree to disagree.

It's kind of what makes this particular forum fun.

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Charpie said:

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Always. I have learned not to take this stuff super personally.

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Me neither. People can agree to disagree.

It's kind of what makes this particular forum fun.

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Wish there were more of us. The conversations are much higher quality when there's a little bit of respect thrown in there.

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Only the Sith deal in absolutes

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It was either Trump or Kamala. That was the choice people. His puffery and vain glory are bad qualities, agreed.

Kamala as President would have been horrific.

I'm very pleased with Rubio and am hoping for him in 2028.

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Average Joe said:

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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Its not whether or not you voted Democrat before. Its that in this instance, saying the war was a mistake and a broken promise is thinking like a Democrat.

Take that for what its worth. When it comes time to put up, siding with the Don Lemons, Joe Mikas and Jessica Tarlovs is not what supporters of a great POTUS would do.

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Breaking a promise is acting like a Democrat.

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So now people voted for Trump have sold their soul to the party? What is wrong with some of you?

Many of us who voted for Trump, don't like everything he does despite what some of you with massive TDS for those that think the world and president need to be perfect seem to think, but overall he's been a very good president both times. The over the top frustration and anger at this man are always so amusing to me.

He's been a better president than both Bush's by far.

I'm seriously worried about some of y'all's blood pressure. Outside of this forum, I don't really think or talk about politics too much, occasionally maybe, but some of you seem to live in it 24/7.

No one and I don't care who you are could ever live up to the expectations that some of you have of this man.

And none of you will ever live up to the pressure and situations a president has to deal with. Lots of Monday quarterbacks here.

I've truly never seen an obsession with Trump for any other human being like this for anyone else in my lifetime. And again, if you see what he was saying, 40 years ago, he's still saying the same things for the most part.

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That obsession is a two way street. There are some of you that obsess over him in a positive manor just the same as those who obsess in a negative manor.

It's just weird to obsess over a public servant in general.

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It was either Trump or Kamala. That was the choice people. His puffery and vain glory are bad qualities, agreed.

Kamala as President would have been horrific.

I'm very pleased with Rubio and am hoping for him in 2028.

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I totally agree with Trump over Kamala

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Average Joe said:

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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Its not whether or not you voted Democrat before. Its that in this instance, saying the war was a mistake and a broken promise is thinking like a Democrat.

Take that for what its worth. When it comes time to put up, siding with the Don Lemons, Joe Mikas and Jessica Tarlovs is not what supporters of a great POTUS would do.

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Breaking a promise is acting like a Democrat.

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Good. Glad Trump kept his word here. Sorry if you cannot comprehend that is what happened and like Tarlov and libs think he broke a promise.

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So now people voted for Trump have sold their soul to the party? What is wrong with some of you?

Many of us who voted for Trump, don't like everything he does despite what some of you with massive TDS for those that think the world and president need to be perfect seem to think, but overall he's been a very good president both times. The over the top frustration and anger at this man are always so amusing to me.

He's been a better president than both Bush's by far.

I'm seriously worried about some of y'all's blood pressure. Outside of this forum, I don't really think or talk about politics too much, occasionally maybe, but some of you seem to live in it 24/7.

No one and I don't care who you are could ever live up to the expectations that some of you have of this man.

And none of you will ever live up to the pressure and situations a president has to deal with. Lots of Monday quarterbacks here.

I've truly never seen an obsession with Trump for any other human being like this for anyone else in my lifetime. And again, if you see what he was saying, 40 years ago, he's still saying the same things for the most part.

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That obsession is a two way street. There are some of you that obsess over him in a positive manor just the same as those who obsess in a negative manor.

It's just weird to obsess over a public servant in general.

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Supporting someone whose decisions and policies you agree with, and defending them against incessant and unlimited attacks over trivial things like "sleepy Don"… that's not cultish nor obsessive.

Waking up everyday and being disappointed Trump is still alive and then crying all day cause he mean tweeted and didn't consult you on strategy to save the world
From a nuclear Iran… that's is obsessive. That is cultish.

Hopefully you and others can begin to see the difference and then maybe seek a solution that brings you contentment and maybe even happiness.

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Average Joe said:

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Average Joe said:

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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Its not whether or not you voted Democrat before. Its that in this instance, saying the war was a mistake and a broken promise is thinking like a Democrat.

Take that for what its worth. When it comes time to put up, siding with the Don Lemons, Joe Mikas and Jessica Tarlovs is not what supporters of a great POTUS would do.

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Breaking a promise is acting like a Democrat.

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Good. Glad Trump kept his word here. Sorry if you cannot comprehend that is what happened and like Tarlov and libs think he broke a promise.

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I'm not sure how you don't throw up spinning so much.

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You tell me. You think Trump broke a promise cause he saved your children from becoming nuke vapor.

It's not me who's spinning.

Dude, you need to chill out.

I am. Had my eyes dilated so now sitting in the dark taking meds for my 'glaucoma'.

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The others in that area (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, etc.) will take much more ownership going forward to keep Iran constrained now that we've broken the ice.

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I don't think that is remotely likely nor even possible. Those countries are either militarily weak or tiny, and they are lacking in will. We have been the guarantor of security in the ME region since the 1950s or 1960s. The reality is: we are better off filling that role than ceding it to Putin, Xi, or Iran.

When Obama initially entered the WH, one of his goals was to get us out of that role. He changed his position after the U.S. DOD and foreign allies confronted him with how dependent the rest of the post-WW2 world is on ME oil, ME LNG, and keeping open shipping lanes through those ME sea routes.

None of us know what Trump will do next, but I don't think putting U.S. troops on the ground in Iran is an acceptable option to 80% of American voters or to 65% of Congress. Not after our Iraq and Afghanistan experiences, costs, losses, and failures. So the Iranian theocracy and IRG will still remain in control of Iran. If we keep hitting target for 2 more weeks and then declare victory and pull our naval aircraft carriers out, things might settle down in the region for awhile and revert back to the pre-war status quo for a year or two. Right now, that might be the best anyone can hope for.

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Average Joe said:

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Average Joe said:

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This reads like an obsessed fan making stuff up. He's a public servant. He doesn't "literally do about 50 things at a time" while he's falling asleep in meetings, just like Biden.

It's ok to support a president from your party. It's also ok to criticize them when necessary. This war was a mistake, and was started by a president that ran on "no more wars". It's not TDS. It's just using your brain.

And before you dismiss me as a Democrat, I've never voted Democrat in my life. I'm just a conservative that didn't sell his soul to the party.

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Its not whether or not you voted Democrat before. Its that in this instance, saying the war was a mistake and a broken promise is thinking like a Democrat.

Take that for what its worth. When it comes time to put up, siding with the Don Lemons, Joe Mikas and Jessica Tarlovs is not what supporters of a great POTUS would do.

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Breaking a promise is acting like a Democrat.

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Good. Glad Trump kept his word here. Sorry if you cannot comprehend that is what happened and like Tarlov and libs think he broke a promise.

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I'm not sure how you don't throw up spinning so much.

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I heard weed helps with nausea