Teslag said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Orban is pro-family and anti-immigration. I don't care if he is friendly to Russia.

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He is also extremely anti-gun rights and anti-free speech.

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That's pretty standard across the EU though. They have no free speech there.

YouBet said:

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Teslag said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Orban is pro-family and anti-immigration. I don't care if he is friendly to Russia.

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He is also extremely anti-gun rights and anti-free speech.

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That's pretty standard across the EU though. They have no free speech there.

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Hungary is some of the strictest. My point is, a lot of people cherry pick Orban's good qualities and turn a blind eye to his bad. Which can be really bad.

Teslag said:

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YouBet said:

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Teslag said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Orban is pro-family and anti-immigration. I don't care if he is friendly to Russia.

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He is also extremely anti-gun rights and anti-free speech.

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That's pretty standard across the EU though. They have no free speech there.

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Hungary is some of the strictest. My point is, a lot of people cherry pick Orban's good qualities and turn a blind eye to his bad. Which can be really bad.

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I don't doubt it but it's a lesser of evils over there. Do you shackle yourself to a technocrat machine in Brussels, or to a leader in your own country who is trying to protect your country-level culture.

I'm sure whoever the EU wants to install when they successfully oust Orban will be all about free speech as long as the free speech is in support of open borders and endless aide to Ukraine.

We're working with some allies right now on an operation who, to say the least, do not believe in free speech as well (UAE/Saudis/Bahrain/Kuwait.)

But it's the folks in the EU that want to censor/fine Americans (and our platforms like X). Those are the enemies of speech I mainly care about.

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We're working with some allies right now on an operation who, to say the least, do not believe in free speech as well (UAE/Saudis/Bahrain/Kuwait.)

But it's the folks in the EU that want to censor/fine Americans (and our platforms like X). Those are the enemies of speech I mainly care about.

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Yes.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6392680313112

why are we supporting this fat clown? His biggest allies are Russia and China.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/07/jd-vance-budapest-viktor-orban-hungary-election-france-nicolas-sarkozy-denmark-coalition-russia-ukraine-europe-latest-updates-news

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I'd love for us to pursue alliances with Russia while being very cautious. A US/Russia alliance would crush China and it would make Europe be forced to do our bidding. Russia is untrustworthy but Europe has shown itself to be the same, especially France (going back to the Suez). Europe is happy to rely on Russia for O&G and other resources but they expect us to be hostile to them and get nothing in return. At least Putin isn't a hypocrite, you know exactly who he is and what his priorities are. Russia has no true global ambitions and has no ability to project power, they are focused on protecting their own interests even if we dislike a lot of those interests. Europe says one thing and does another. It's staggering as well how they act as though our providing a nuclear shield and bases and troops at immense costs to protect them is a favor to us as if it is still the Cold War. If Russia is not an adversary all of that math changes.

China is the threat not Russia. Europe is just delusional. We need to look at the world as it is today not how it was in the past.

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Orban is more pro moscow and anti Brussels (EU). Orban and party is pretty corrupt.

Opponent (Magyar) is more pro EU and anti Russia.

Neither smell like perfume.

I would tend to support Orban.

• Moscow is not our problem and will be overwhelmed due to Putin's idiocies.
• The EU is more of a danger, they threaten to finish off the Europe with their political authoritarianism and immigration stance.

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flights to Moscow to live under your communist ideals leave daily

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Yes, rejecting the EU's approach means defaulting to communism in a place that is no longer communist. You and OP must have shared a class or two.

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Thanks and well said!

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Compelling argument, OP.

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I guess we might as well endorse Lukashenko in the next election

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Maybe you could expand on why we shouldn't support Orban. Can you go beyond globalist buzzwords and tired cliches about fascism and saving democracy? Once again, the people that are bleeding all over about democracy being lost get another ELECTION to vote for a different guy.

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aligning with orban requires american conservatives to stop caring about things they claim to care about. you have to look away from corruption. you have to stop talking about free markets. you have to redefine "freedom" from individual liberty to collective ethnic self-assertion. you have to abandon religious minorities in hungary (as well as persecuted christians in orban's allied states like russia and china) because the geopolitical alignment is more convenient.

orban's hungary is a cautionary tale of what happens when a conservative movement trades its principles for the aesthetic of winning: you get a dependent economy disguised as sovereignty, institutional capture that will eventually serve your enemies, and cultural stagnation that no amount of state enforcement can reverse.

the orban-style strongman delivers the feeling of civilizational defense while quietly hollowing out everything (free markets, limited government, genuine cultural vitality) that made the civilization worth defending.

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YouBet said:

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Orban is pro-family and anti-immigration. I don't care if he is friendly to Russia.

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He is also extremely anti-gun rights and anti-free speech.

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That's pretty standard across the EU though. They have no free speech there.

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Hungary is some of the strictest. My point is, a lot of people cherry pick Orban's good qualities and turn a blind eye to his bad. Which can be really bad.

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I don't doubt it but it's a lesser of evils over there. Do you shackle yourself to a technocrat machine in Brussels, or to a leader in your own country who is trying to protect your country-level culture.

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Make no mistake, Orban would sell his country and its culture out to Russia the minute Putin told him to. And he'd do it with a smile on his face.

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Orban is more pro moscow and anti Brussels (EU). Orban and party is pretty corrupt.

Opponent (Magyar) is more pro EU and anti Russia.

Neither smell like perfume.

I would tend to support Orban.

• Moscow is not our problem and will be overwhelmed due to Putin's idiocies.
• The EU is more of a danger, they threaten to finish off the Europe with their political authoritarianism and immigration stance.

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flights to Moscow to live under your communist ideals leave daily

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Yes, rejecting the EU's approach means defaulting to communism in a place that is no longer communist. You and OP must have shared a class or two.

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We did. Common sense 101. Sorry it was full when you tried to sign up.

China is taking over the world. In tech, in media, in natural resources, in supply chains and logistic dependencies, in military capability, etc... A happy Russia with incentives to sell resources to Europe and distance themselves from China is probably in the world's best interest. Overblowing the "minor incursion" that Joe Biden invited Putin to do with endless support for a corrupt Ukraine only drains our resources and drives Russia and China closer together.

It seems that Viktor Orban sees Russia/ Ukraine the way a lot of people do, but with Europe shutting Hungary out and demonizing Orban's government, they have been compelled to make deals with China for infrastructure, technology, etc. to take care of themselves.

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Most of the Orban fans here also think the the EU should shoulder the responsibility for helping Ukraine, except Orban is the one blocking EU's aid.

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Orban is blocking Kiev 'aid' (really money laundering) because they blew up his 'Friendship' pipeline (just as they did with the Germans' Nordstream one) which Hungary needs to provide much of central/eastern Europe with electricity.

Two vetoes from Hungary stall EU approval of aid for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia, with Hungarian PM Viktor Orban defending move amid oil dispute pic.twitter.com/VwABywv5o8

— TRT World Now (@TRTWorldNow) February 23, 2026

It hasn't helped matters that Kiev (and the EU) has intervened in Hungary's election strongly against him, just as they did in the US in 2024.

🚨 JD Vance goes OFF on the EU!

He blasts Brussels for trying to destroy Hungary’s economy and energy independence because they hate Viktor Orban.

“Foreign election interference?

Truly DISGRACEFUL!” 🔥🔥 pic.twitter.com/a4YdcxJGdX

— Ashley (TeamTrump47) (@TeamTrump47) April 7, 2026

Again, battling EU interference and seeking energy independence/freedom are just causes VP Vance spoke up for in my opinion. I have no concern whatsoever as to who 'aids' Kiev.

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European dependence on Russian energy is a good thing here I guess as long as Orban flatters Orange Man

American conservatives are NOT anti-minority, anti-education, or anti legal immigration. And I'm sure in your mind any conservative is far right.

As for Orban, he is the elected leader of a country that is putting his people, culture and national sovereignty first and resisting outside forces that would force unwanted demographic and legal changes in the country under the guise of diversity, equity, replacement immigration, blah blah blah….

He is anti-EU, not sure that makes him pro Russia but don't really care. You will see more of this in Europe, not just east and central, it is coming to Western Europe as well, or there will no longer be a Western Europe.

If he is so anti-EU then he should leave the EU. But he likes those foreign euros too much to leave.

Orban was an ottoman (and possibly Hungarian) military cannon caster who attacked Constantinople with the world's largest cannon at the time and ultimately conquered the city and began the collapse of the Byzantine empire forever.

https://www.camrea.org/2017/09/11/orban-the-man-who-brought-down-the-walls-of-constantinople-part-i/

The current Orban is trying to bring down the walls of the corrupt nature of the EU in a sense.

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If he is so anti-EU then he should leave the EU. But he likes those foreign euros too much to leave.

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So he all by himself can remove Hungary from the EU?!? OK. Good to know.

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Op, I think you answered your own question.

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no you didnt

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Most of the Orban fans here also think the the EU should shoulder the responsibility for helping Ukraine, except Orban is the one blocking EU's aid.

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They cant afford to support themselves, let alone the Ukraine.

Who?

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Compelling argument, OP.

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European dependence on Russian energy is a good thing here I guess as long as Orban flatters Orange Man

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Actually energy independence is a key plank in his platform/presidency (as well as sovereignty/education). VP Vance referenced this throughout his speech.

🇭🇺🇺🇸 Vice President @JDVance: “Viktor Orbán’s going to win the next election.”

Brussels tried to hold us back, but we stood strong. On energy, on sovereignty, on common sense.

On April 12th, Fidesz is the safe choice. pic.twitter.com/7JqEwgpiXQ

— Orbán Viktor (@PM_ViktorOrban) April 7, 2026

🚨BREAKING: JD Vance just told EU tyrants and bureaucrats to SCREW OFF during his speech in Hungary:

"When one country protects its sovereignty, even a country of 10 million people in the heart of Europe, it raises uncomfortable questions for those who insist there is no… https://t.co/fWbfNjPSG0 pic.twitter.com/dKl2PRD2Ka

— Morse Report (@MorseReport) April 7, 2026

I didn't catch the whole speech (DJT also called in), but I have not seen any point raised by VP Vance that I take issue with. I realize that calling out the obvious and ongoing money laundering to/from next door has made Orban persona non grata to many though.

Why do we endorse the most liberty loving leader in Europe? Hmm, that's a tough one...

This video is well worth the time to watch

Weird, Ukraine helped Hungary change their dependence on Russian energy and clearly Orban didn't like it.

That was outstanding, thank you.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6392680313112

why are we supporting this fat clown? His biggest allies are Russia and China.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/07/jd-vance-budapest-viktor-orban-hungary-election-france-nicolas-sarkozy-denmark-coalition-russia-ukraine-europe-latest-updates-news

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This administration, and more importantly, those backing it, support Orban because his foreign and domestic policy priorities align with theirs. Both MAGA and Project 2025, abstractly.

He's pro-Russian (which is interesting if you know what happened in Hungary in 1956, but also 1848 when Tsarist Russia invaded and destroyed their bid for independence) and anti-EU. Which is to say he's pro-authoritarian and anti-democracy...more Project 2025 then MAGA.

He's pro-natalist...women should have more and more and more children. Granted his country (like Russia) has been losing population badly for some time. But his policies here have been a dismal failure.

Anti-minority, specifically the Roma who he has targeted rather aggressively. Anti-immigration. Two very popular positions with the American far-Right.

Anti-education, esp. higher education. This one strikes a major chord with the American far-Right.

Conspiracy theorist, suffers from "Soros Derangement Syndrome." That's a big one too for MAGA.

So not difficult at all to see how the current administration adores this man and what he stands for.

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So he's bad because he wants Hungarians to have more babies, and also bad because he doesn't want his country flooded with Muslims and Africans?

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Weird, Ukraine helped Hungary change their dependence on Russian energy and clearly Orban didn't like it.

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VP Vance briefly addressed the shut down 'friendship' pipeline in this sit-down after his speech (he has extended his stay in Budapest a day).

Worth a listen.

🚨 HOLY SMOKES. JD Vance just called out Ukrainian President Zelensky for threatening to send ARMED SOLDIERS to right-wing Hungarian PM Viktor Orban’s house

“It’s completely scandalous!”

He’s also calling out the EU tyrants for trying to destroy Hungary! pic.twitter.com/XMC2b9vthw

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) April 8, 2026

And, btw, the lights are kept on in Kiev largely via power transmission from their ally in Budapest.

They should be thanking Ukraine for giving them the shove they needed to free them of their dependence on Russia

JD's speech:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6392680313112

why are we supporting this fat clown? His biggest allies are Russia and China.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/07/jd-vance-budapest-viktor-orban-hungary-election-france-nicolas-sarkozy-denmark-coalition-russia-ukraine-europe-latest-updates-news

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Incorrect. That's the lie told to you by the mainstream media and Euros, since they don't like him. When Orban declared a state of emergency for Covid, the libs called him a dictator. He reopened earlier than France. The libs claimed that that Parliament and elections would be canceled - they've had two elections since that lib claim. One Hungarian citizen was arrested for speech issues but not charge - in Britain, hundreds have been arrested for illegal tweeting. Orban opposes mass immigration of Islamic rapists - the euros hate him for it. The libs reported that Orban was planning a fake assassination to gain sympathy - nothing like that has happened. They just make up crap and hope it sticks, just like the cackling witch Hillary and her friends in the media did with Trump's Russian collusion.

Speaking of Russia, why would an eastern European leader at least appear to cozy up to the leader of Russia? Cheap energy. Hungary relies on Russian energy, but they still purchase fewer barrels from Putin than does France. The hate the media spews about Orban is a version of TDS - it's Orban Derangement Syndrome. Now, I'm not trying to make the point that Orban doesn't every act like a version of a strongman, and he may even have gone over the line at times, just like Trump. But most of the stuff reported about the situation is just crap, just like most of what you hear from US media about Trump is a made up fairy tale.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6392680313112

why are we supporting this fat clown? His biggest allies are Russia and China.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/07/jd-vance-budapest-viktor-orban-hungary-election-france-nicolas-sarkozy-denmark-coalition-russia-ukraine-europe-latest-updates-news

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Incorrect. That's the lie told to you by the mainstream media and Euros, since they don't like him. When Orban declared a state of emergency for Covid, the libs called him a dictator. He reopened earlier than France. The libs claimed that that Parliament and elections would be canceled - they've had two elections since that lib claim. One Hungarian citizen was arrested for speech issues but not charge - in Britain, hundreds have been arrested for illegal tweeting. Orban opposes mass immigration of Islamic rapists - the euros hate him for it. The libs reported that Orban was planning a fake assassination to gain sympathy - nothing like that has happened. They just make up crap and hope it sticks, just like the cackling witch Hillary and her friends in the media did with Trump's Russian collusion.

Speaking of Russia, why would an eastern European leady at least appear to cozy up to the leader of Russia. Cheap energy. Hungary relies on Russian energy, but they still purchase fewer barrels from Putin than does France. The hate the media spews about Orban is a version of TDS - it's Orban Derangement Syndrome. Now, I'm not trying to make the point that Orban doesn't every act like a version of a strongman, and he may even have gone over the line at times, just like Trump. But most of the stuff reported about the situation is just crap, just like most of what you hear from US media about Trump is a made up fairy tale.

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I'm not sure why using the energy example is even relevant. Europe has committed energy suicide so they have to get it from somewhere which is what Orban is doing. Never mind that Germany was still working with Russia after Europe "banned" everyone from doing so post Ukraine invasion. To get around that ban, Germany simply started working with Russia through one of their satellite states.

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Why do we endorse the most liberty loving leader in Europe? Hmm, that's a tough one...

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Orban is not remotely the most liberty loving leader jn Europe. Not by a long shot.

First generation American with Dual Hungarian citizenship
Understand that Hungary has been occupied by the Ottomans, Hapsburgs and Russians
Their location and this recent History creates a unique view and relationship with both the East and West
They tend to align themselves with whoever they need to serve their best interests

Trust me, Hungarians do not view Russians with any affection
China is filling the void left by the EU. Not a good situation in my view.

Hungary is not anti immigrant, it is anti illegal immigrant from countries that do not align with their culture and values. There are many immigrants in Hungary, mostly European and some Asian and African. What is important to Hungarians is maintaining their identity, unique language and culture. I expect both parties will protect this.

Is Orban perfect, absolutely not, nowhere near, but he will protect the Hungarian culture and values. I would expect Magyar to have many similar positions but it does concern me that he would align too much with the woke values of the British and EU. Thankfully, Hungary has not fully bought into these Globalist views despite all the pressures from the EU.

The video above from the former Mumford and Sons banjo player was well done

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First generation American with Dual Hungarian citizenship
Understand that Hungary has been occupied by the Ottomans, Hapsburgs and Russians
Their location and this recent History creates a unique view and relationship with both the East and West
They tend to align themselves with whoever they need to serve their best interests

Trust me, Hungarians do not view Russians with any affection
China is filling the void left by the EU. Not a good situation in my view.

Hungary is not anti immigrant, it is anti illegal immigrant from countries that do not align with their culture and values. There are many immigrants in Hungary, mostly European and some Asian and African. What is important to Hungarians is maintaining their identity, unique language and culture. I expect both parties will protect this.

Is Orban perfect, absolutely not, nowhere near, but he will protect the Hungarian culture and values. I would expect Magyar to have many similar positions but it does concern me that he would align too much with the woke values of the British and EU. Thankfully, Hungary has not fully bought into these Globalist views despite all the pressures from the EU.

The video above from the former Mumford and Sons banjo player was well done

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My wife has some very dear Hungarian friends that were in Budapest as very young children when the Russians came in October of 1956. We are going to call them after the election to get a better feel of the situation over there. I wish them the best because the Hungarian people deserve a long peaceful time to regenerate their culture.