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Compelling argument, OP.

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But Tucker Carlson likes him!

Ukraine seems to like meddling in other countries elections while refusing to hold elections in Ukraine:

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The report also states that he has recently visited Kyiv on several occasions and regularly visited the Ukrainian embassy in Budapest.
That source for several of the Hungarian "spy" stories appears to be Ukraine. It has engaged in political activity in Hungary, activity which has recently taken the form of overt support for the opposition party TISZA.
Let me make this clear: I am writing this as a Pole who wishes Ukraine victory and who, together with the Polish nationunited as never beforehas been involved since February 24, 2022 in supporting its efforts and aiding refugees, and who has many Ukrainian friends.
But I also write as a journalist who saw how, in the 2023 Polish elections, Ukraine strongly backed Donald Tusk's rise to power, and how, in one fell swoop, it abandoned this unity in Ukraine's favour in order to get a Warsaw government more to the liking of the German and Brussels authorities.

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https://brusselssignal.eu/2026/04/news-special-are-ukrainian-intelligence-services-involved-in-hungarian-election/

Election sunday but no debate: Brussels Signal coverage.

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One focused on Magyar's alleged closeness to Zelensky, Ursula von der Leyen and other European Union leaders, labelling it a "Brussels-Kiev-Tisza Coalition". The other also tied Magyar to von der Leyen and the EU and argued Tisza would raise income taxes, the VAT, and energy prices. Even a large multi-page newsprint flyer mixed positive words about Foldi and Fidesz with attacks on Magyar and his alleged ties to Kiev and Brussels.

That's what American political consultants call "driving up your opponent's negatives," and a candidate or party only does that if they think they must.

Perhaps Fidesz does need to do this. Sixteen years in power is a long time and the party has been rocked by a number of scandals since the last election. Hungary's inflation rate has also been higher than most other European countries in recent years and real GDP growth has been minimal since late 2022. Conditions like this in most democracies would feed a desire for change.

Knowledge of that, and the fact that Tisza and Magyar have managed to present a different face for the longstanding opposition to Fidesz rule, probably explains the sharply negative campaign. Politicians who know their own record is shaky often try to make their opposition seem unreasonable, scary, or risky.
That worked for President Barack Obama in his 2012 re-election, as he convinced Americans that Republican Mitt Romney was too aloof and uncaring to guide them through the aftermath of the deep 2008-10 recession. Whether it works for Fidesz will largely depend on whether disaffected Fidesz voters care more about bringing change or keeping a weak but stable set of hands at the till.

Kossuth's attempt at revolution ultimately failed, crushed by invading Russian armies. But American Vice President JD Vance only brought President Donald Trump's endorsement, not troops, to support Fidesz and Orbn. Perhaps that will be enough to persuade Hungarians they should prefer stability over change. The fact that Magyar's fate will be freely decided by Hungarians themselves gives him a reasonable chance at succeeding where Kossuth could not.

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Magyar sounds like a Spanberger to me, a communist masquerading as a moderate to fool the electorate. Will be curious what they decide.

Hopefully the same way Texans decided on Beto

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docb said:

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Compelling argument, OP.

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I guess we might as well endorse Lukashenko in the next election

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Maybe you could expand on why we shouldn't support Orban. Can you go beyond globalist buzzwords and tired cliches about fascism and saving democracy? Once again, the people that are bleeding all over about democracy being lost get another ELECTION to vote for a different guy.

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I love Orban and hope he wins

On the other side, U.S. Vice President JD Vance visited Budapest on April 7 to shore up Orbn's support ahead of the vote

and Orbn also received video endorsements from Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, Marine Le Pen, and Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

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On the other side, U.S. Vice President JD Vance visited Budapest on April 7 to shore up Orbn's support ahead of the vote

and Orbn also received video endorsements from Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, Marine Le Pen, and Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

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Not sure if those endorsements will help him or hurt him.

Looks like Orban's time is done

Huge win for globalists and communists.

The EU froze billions from Orban's government and promised voters they'd unfreeze the money if he was defeated. Looks like the manipulation worked.

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Huge win for globalists and communists.

The EU froze billions from Orban's government and promised voters they'd unfreeze the money if he was defeated. Looks like the manipulation worked.

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What strings are attached to Hungary getting that money back? How much do you bet that it comes with stipulations that Hungary has to start taking in muslim and African trash?

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Huge win for globalists and communists.

The EU froze billions from Orban's government and promised voters they'd unfreeze the money if he was defeated. Looks like the manipulation worked.

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If you don't vote for our guy, we aren't going to give you your money.

- the pro-democracy, non-autocratic EU.

Yep. The end result is more moslems/Africans for Hungarians. And more war. Yay. Congrats to Brussels/Democrats/China.

Orban concedes defeat. The support of Trump, Vance, Putin, Lavrov, Weidel, Milei, Le Pen, Fico, Babis and many others could not overcome Hungarian anger at a stagnant, corrupt regimehttps://t.co/yfMCWUFk34

— Anne Applebaum (@anneapplebaum) April 12, 2026

Brussels Signal: 'A new standard of brutality in Hungary'

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The hotel where I'm staying in Budapest is dominated by journalists and election observers. It's hardly surprising it's affordable yet comfortable, and well-connected. But at breakfast,I also spotted three acquaintances election campaign experts from various European countries, constantly travelling the campaign trail. These spin doctors (of the Dock Morris type, who secured a second term for Clinton) told me over coffee that they were moved, because the Hungarian campaign had set a new standard for electoral battles. "Never before have external forces intervened so openly and on such a scale in an EU country. And successfully, which they will interpret as an encouragement to continue," they told me, shaking their heads, excited by the new trend in the industry. They finished their coffee and set off on the trail.

Hungary and Europe were left with the change that had taken place. I struggle to write that this was the Hungarians' choice. Formally it was, but it was made under immense pressure from the long-standing blockade of European funds, and even the participation of young people in the Erasmus programme, constant accusations and lectures. And finally, there were also the recordings of the foreign minister leaked into the campaign, made by European intelligence services with the help of an opposition activist who passed on his phone number. The Hungarians resisted this pressure and manipulation for a very long time; but every society has its own pain threshold and limit of endurance. Orbn's opponents had more money, resources and time.

Orbn lost, of course, for purely external reasons as well. The key factor was the public's weariness with a single team having been in power for 16 years. In Poland, after eight years of either Tusk's or Kaczyski's governments, the feeling emerged that it was too long. The Hungarians, however, are more composed; for historical reasons, they are better able to function within institutional frameworks, so they were not quite so impatient. A long period in power also means mistakes and blunders that accumulate and eventually build a grand coalition for change. Prime Minister Orbn could have prevented this as recently as two years ago, for example by replacing key politicians within his own camp. But he did not decide to do so, or perhaps he could not. And then it was already too late.
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After all, no one has ever denied the radical Tisza economic programme that leaked to the media. And they certainly turn their noses up at cheap Russian oil, too. For many rejoicing today, this may be a bittersweet joy. Undoubtedly, Hungary is losing its unique international standing, which, thanks to Orbn's talent, rose far above its actual strength. It will once again become one of the small countries of Central and Eastern Europe, devoutly awaiting instructions from Brussels and other major capitals.

But for Europeans who want a continent united as a community of sovereign states rather than a homogenised entity governed by people never elected by anyone, the negative consequences have been obvious from the outset. The EU elites may view the change in Hungary as a window of opportunity to accelerate integration, without asking the nations for their consent.

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Exactly right.

Personally I think Europe and Hungary will be just fine without a Putin ass licker in place

Amazing how a fascist authoritarian dictator just conceded defeat like that. Why would a dictator let the EU manipulate and interfere and why would he just concede if he's the evil dictator?

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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yes. Only Lord Z bootlickers allowed in the EU

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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The answer to this question is in the very first two words of my reply. It's clear you didn't read what I wrote.

Your surface level anecdotes while there dispute nothing I said. Europe is facing financial hardship it hasn't seen as a collective in decades. This is public knowledge and widely reported by many outlets.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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yes. Only Lord Z bootlickers allowed in the EU

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I'm fine with Z over Putin. No comparison there really. Putin is trash.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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Romania, Poland, and the Baltics are the model and doing better. EU isn't a monolithic block.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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The answer to this question is in the very first two words of my reply. It's clear you didn't read what I wrote.

Your surface level anecdotes while there dispute nothing I said. Europe is facing financial hardship it hasn't seen as a collective in decades. This is public knowledge and widely reported by many outlets.

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And remind me how many trillions we are in debt for? Quality of life still seems pretty good here also.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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The answer to this question is in the very first two words of my reply. It's clear you didn't read what I wrote.

Your surface level anecdotes while there dispute nothing I said. Europe is facing financial hardship it hasn't seen as a collective in decades. This is public knowledge and widely reported by many outlets.

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And remind me how many trillions we are in debt for? Quality of life still seems pretty good here also.

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Yes, being the reserve currency of the most powerful and richest country that ever existed awards you much buffer against your own idiocy. Time catches up to all though and will to us someday. See all empires that ever existed.

But, we were talking about Europe who has no such rightful claim or feature.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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The answer to this question is in the very first two words of my reply. It's clear you didn't read what I wrote.

Your surface level anecdotes while there dispute nothing I said. Europe is facing financial hardship it hasn't seen as a collective in decades. This is public knowledge and widely reported by many outlets.

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And remind me how many trillions we are in debt for? Quality of life still seems pretty good here also.

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Yes, being the reserve currency of the most powerful and richest country that ever existed awards you much buffer against your own idiocy. Time catches up to all though and will to us someday. See all empires that ever existed.

But, we were talking about Europe who has no such rightful claim or feature.

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Well whatever your concerns are I am not going to lose any sleep over it

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Orban is pro-family and anti-immigration. I don't care if he is friendly to Russia.

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Yep, Orban and Hungary have been under attack by the EU for not bending the knee and supporting socialism as well as destroying their country by importing 3rd world immigrants. They want Hungary like the rest of the EU to turn into Islamic countries that are literal **** holes.

The new tactic is to try and paint Orban as a close ally to China and Russia in order to put outside pressure on Hungary to bend the knee to the EU. He is pro family and believes in having a Christian nation which are the opposite of what the EU wants.

The EU will continue to attack Hungary so I hope Orban and Hungary continue to stay strong and keep the faith because otherwise they will soon be the minority in their country once Islam takes over like they have started doing to England, France and Germany.

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Personally I think Europe and Hungary will just be fine without a Putin ass licker in place

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Hungary aside...what's your definition of fine? Europe is falling apart. Can't produce their own energy (except for France who relies on nuclear), can't defend themselves externally, won't defend themselves internally, people go to jail for posting anti-establishment statements online, regulated to levels of absurdity. On and on....

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You really think Orban was holding everything together for Europe? I have visited Germany, Austria, and Switzerland recently and it all seemed fine to me. Way cleaner than it is around here, prices were reasonable, did not see one homeless person and never felt threatened? The people seemed happy to me so I don't know what you consider falling apart? As far as defending themselves I really don't think Russia is as big a threat as once perceived. Yea, I think they will be fine.

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The answer to this question is in the very first two words of my reply. It's clear you didn't read what I wrote.

Your surface level anecdotes while there dispute nothing I said. Europe is facing financial hardship it hasn't seen as a collective in decades. This is public knowledge and widely reported by many outlets.

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And remind me how many trillions we are in debt for? Quality of life still seems pretty good here also.

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Yes, being the reserve currency of the most powerful and richest country that ever existed awards you much buffer against your own idiocy. Time catches up to all though and will to us someday. See all empires that ever existed.

But, we were talking about Europe who has no such rightful claim or feature.

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Well whatever your concerns are I am not going to lose any sleep over it

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"Whatever my concerns are". Lol.

Well, that makes two of us if we are talking about Europe so I guess we are aligned on that.

Hungary got itself a real winner...

"He used to beat me, masturbate in front of the children, killed one of our puppies in the microwave right in front of our eyes, and after that, the children needed psychological help."

- The ex-wife of Hungary's new prime minister pic.twitter.com/7BnqZDNW3i

— Darth Powell (@VladTheInflator) April 13, 2026

Yeah, but orban had to go. He was against the massive corruption in Ukraine, which makes him a Putin stooge, and against the EU's open border mass migration policies. Can't have that in a democracy. That's like fascist dictator stuff.

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Hungary got itself a real winner...

"He used to beat me, masturbate in front of the children, killed one of our puppies in the microwave right in front of our eyes, and after that, the children needed psychological help."

- The ex-wife of Hungary's new prime minister pic.twitter.com/7BnqZDNW3i

— Darth Powell (@VladTheInflator) April 13, 2026

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Don't believe everything you read

It is his ex-wife who also happens to be an ex-justice minister. There are police reports to back it up.

Don't be so dismissive w/o doing some due diligence

Yeah that one is fake news I think. No such book etc.

So, that's nice, at least.

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It is his ex-wife who also happens to be an ex-justice minister. There are police reports to back it up.

Don't be so dismissive w/o doing some due diligence

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Yet she managed to have three kids with him. I wonder how much she is going to make off that book? And you can file a police report for just about anything FWIW.

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Yeah that one is fake news I think. No such book etc.

So, that's nice, at least.

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I'm no Orban apologist or fan, but Magyar is a POS with skeletons

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Yeah that one is fake news I think. No such book etc.

So, that's nice, at least.

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I'm no Orban apologist or fan, but Magyar is a POS with skeletons

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Judit Varga, the former Hungarian Minister of Justice, resigned from public life in February 2024 following a major political scandal involving a presidential pardon granted to an accomplice in a child sexual abuse case. This scandal was further compounded by allegations of corruption and abuse involving her ex-husband, Pter Magyar.
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Key Aspects of the Scandal:

• The Pardon Scandal (February 2024): President Katalin Novk resigned after it was revealed she pardoned the former deputy director of a children's home, who had been convicted for covering up child sexual abuse. As Justice Minister, Varga had co-signed the pardon.
• Resignation and Withdrawal: Following Novk's resignation, Varga announced she would step down from her position as a Member of Parliament and withdraw from public life, taking political responsibility for co-signing the decision.
• The Leaked Tape (March 2024): In March 2024, her ex-husband, Pter Magyara former insider turned critic of the Orbn governmentreleased a secret recording. In the recording, Varga appears to confirm that senior Hungarian government officials, including cabinet chief Antal Rogn, interfered in a corruption case (the Schadl-Völner case) by tampering with evidence.
• Domestic Abuse Allegations: Following the release of the tape, Varga accused her ex-husband of domestic abuse and bullying throughout their marriage, arguing that her statements on the recording were coerced under threat.
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As of early 2026, Varga has indicated she will not return to public life as long as Pter Magyarwho has since launched an opposition movement (Tisza party)is active in politics.
Euronews.com

Well it looks like the ex-wife was involved in covering up child sex abuse. Thanks AI.