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Team Iran working overtime on this topic!

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Might not get paid either since ActBlue is in hot water

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Nah. These guys are on the Qatar payroll.

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Dammit Tucker Carlson!

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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Maybe we have already gone over this, but what exactly is the Islamic Republics definition of "death to America?"

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You can easily google it, but it's a call of opposition to the US aggression against Muslim countries. It is explicitly NOT a call to genocide Americans (as many posters erroneously claim)

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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Maybe we have already gone over this, but what exactly is the Islamic Republics definition of "death to America?"

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You can easily google it, but it's a call of opposition to the US aggression against Muslim countries. It is explicitly NOT a call to genocide Americans (as many posters erroneously claim)

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They certainly haven't done a very good job of not killing Americans over the years, but I digress.

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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10's of thousands is not some protesters

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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10's of thousands is not some protesters

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Right. Look into the practice of atrocity propaganda.

Dont you think Gaza was an attempted genocide or am I mistaken?

Yep. From a previous Israel thread

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The Israel conduct towards Palestinian civilians is an ethnic cleansing and possibly an attempted genocide. As a Catholic, I am against those things.

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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10's of thousands is not some protesters

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Right. Look into the practice of atrocity propaganda.

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This guy believes all Iranian lies.

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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You can tell yourself that you sound intelligent when you use little phrases, but you sound uniformed and ignorant of what happens there.

To semi-quote you...I have heard if from somewhere...the mouths of people that lived there.

I'm old enough to remember the Islamic Revolution and watching the news every night with the lead being about the hostages. There were a lot of political refugees that ended up in the Houston area and there were families that fled from there that had kids at my schools.
I've worked with people that have family there and they would absolutely laugh in your face if you said some of what you have posted to them in person.
Talking with them about what they have seen...and what has happened to their family members and friends over the years is horrible. I can't even comprehend it.

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(I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

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I would love to see the reaction on the face of a keyboard smart guy that said that to one of them in person.

The fear in their face based on the rage in the face of the other.....

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It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime, and this morning he went a step further and threatened genocide against the entire Iranian civilization. ("A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...")

Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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So in the same statement he says at the very end "God Bless the Great People of Iran."

So it is clear he should have said regime not civilization, but I guess reading comprehension has never been your thing.

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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You can tell yourself that you sound intelligent when you use little phrases, but you sound uniformed and ignorant of what happens there.

To semi-quote you...I have heard if from somewhere...the mouths of people that lived there.

I'm old enough to remember the Islamic Revolution and watching the news every night with the lead being about the hostages. There were a lot of political refugees that ended up in the Houston area and there were families that fled from there that had kids at my schools.
I've worked with people that have family there and they would absolutely laugh in your face if you said some of what you have posted to them in person.
Talking with them about what they have seen...and what has happened to their family members and friends over the years is horrible. I can't even comprehend it.

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Yeah it usually comes down to these sorts of personal gripes. I am sorry you had to endure that 50 years ago. Sounds very sad. And I understand now why you have such a huge personal gripe against Iran.

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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You can tell yourself that you sound intelligent when you use little phrases, but you sound uniformed and ignorant of what happens there.

To semi-quote you...I have heard if from somewhere...the mouths of people that lived there.

I'm old enough to remember the Islamic Revolution and watching the news every night with the lead being about the hostages. There were a lot of political refugees that ended up in the Houston area and there were families that fled from there that had kids at my schools.
I've worked with people that have family there and they would absolutely laugh in your face if you said some of what you have posted to them in person.
Talking with them about what they have seen...and what has happened to their family members and friends over the years is horrible. I can't even comprehend it.

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Wait, that can't be correct. Keyno read on the internet (or heard from Tucker) that they aren't really that bad.

Words are not war crimes. Recommend you research a bit before posting.

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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10's of thousands is not some protesters

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Right. Look into the practice of atrocity propaganda.

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There are videos of the state sponsored stoning of little girls in Iran because they were raped by adult men. 8 year olds getting their heads caved in for the crime of being rape victims.

Spare us

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I know that you and I often disagree....but this guy has to be trolling or is just willfully ignorant. It's best if the thread just ignores him.

It is as if none of y'all have watched President Trump for the past 10 years. This is how he works. Everybody that was jumping off a ledge this morning needs to get their **** together.

We seem to go through this every time from the usual suspects. Trump knows how to negotiate. He knows how to get most of the **** he wants. He can't always get everything but he knows how to negotiate.

Plus, we're dealing with that **** crazy terrorists who want everyone dead.

Trump doesn't just say "don't"

Let's stop ***** foot'n around. If any country since Japan deserved the atomic bomb it's Iran. I've been saying this since I was a junior in high school in 1981, and my hometown sent me to DC for a week, and I was fortunate enough to be there at the parade for the hostages. Seeing their condition and withdrawn look in their eyes left a lasting impression.

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It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime,

• no it is not. You are wrong.

and this morning he went a step further and threatened genocide against the entire Iranian civilization. ("A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...")

Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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Activist "experts" are spinning bigtime.

This quote completely backs up my assertion. If the target has as legitimate function in aiding the ability to conduct war logistically or with command and control, to enable military production, transportation, communication, etc, it is a legal and legitimate target. The fact that it may also have civilian uses is considered but doesn't counter the military and command use eligibility.

Proportionality simply means the weapon or means used to destroy the military should not be deliberately excessive to its destruction or putting out of use, such that there is needless collateral damage.

You can't target housing and food or water infrastructure with the primary purpose of civilian harm or suffering, or shared use infrastructure if the aim is civilian suffering as versus military degradation.

There are zero war crimes being committed in hitting infrastructure that interferes with military operation so long as there is no violation of proportionality.

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You are correct and this post should have ended this thread.

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No I told you to look into the meaning and background of what that phrase means. Literally just google it. It does not mean genocide and Iranian leaders explain it. Of course you did not do that.

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I will give you credit. You've finally answered a very simple and direct question instead of just saying "read the thread".

Your basis is that Iran saying "We don't really mean what we say" when they chant "Death to America" ...in Parliament and public speeches...doesn't really qualify as a genocidal threat.

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Correct. If you read what the phrase means, and what the Iranians tell you it means, it is not referring to genocide. Furthermore, as I have said previously and you would know if you read the thread like you claimed, Iran does not have the ability to genocide America. They literally do not have any weapon capable of even hitting the US homeland, much less a nuke.

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A government that slaughters people for protesting, kills women that speak out against rape and abuse, and actively hunts down people that renounce Islam and publicly tortures and kills them.

And, just for good measure, uses women and children as human shields.

That's who you believe when they say "We don't really mean it".

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Yeah I think you are doing a little bit of atrocity propaganda here (I don't fault you, I am sure you heard it somewhere).

I will say I do believe the Iranian government killed some protesters. But I mean, they know the CIA/Mossad attempts color revolutions and arms insurgents.

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10's of thousands is not some protesters

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Right. Look into the practice of atrocity propaganda.

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There are videos of the state sponsored stoning of little girls in Iran because they were raped by adult men. 8 year olds getting their heads caved in for the crime of being rape victims.

Spare us

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This is an example of non refutable atrocity propaganda. There is no credible evidence for this. Obviously, you cannot prove the claim on this board and I obviously won't ask you to.

Carrying water for Iran. It is widely known and proven by even the fruitiest fruitcake of liberal organizations who have acknowledged the atrocities constantly committed there. Reevaluate your life

Where did OP go?

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Carrying water for Iran. It is widely known and proven by even the fruitiest fruitcake of liberal organizations who have acknowledged the atrocities constantly committed there. Reevaluate your life

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The claim that Infection_Ag11 made is not known and proven. I have not found nor seen any credible evidence to support that claim.

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Carrying water for Iran. It is widely known and proven by even the fruitiest fruitcake of liberal organizations who have acknowledged the atrocities constantly committed there. Reevaluate your life

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The claim that Infection_Ag11 made is not known and proven. I have not found nor seen any credible evidence to support that claim.

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So? We know they commit massive atrocities. It is proven. No idea why you'd pick this to argue. Reevaluate your life. Get some help. I can get you a number if you need one. Seems that you do. That's an honest offer.

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Carrying water for Iran. It is widely known and proven by even the fruitiest fruitcake of liberal organizations who have acknowledged the atrocities constantly committed there. Reevaluate your life

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The claim that Infection_Ag11 made is not known and proven. I have not found nor seen any credible evidence to support that claim.

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So? We know they commit massive atrocities. It is proven. No idea why you'd pick this to argue. Reevaluate your life. Get some help. I can get you a number of you need one. Seems that you do. That's an honest offer.

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This is called a "goal post shift".

No, it's called my mental health being squared away while yours…

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No, it's called my mental health being squared away while yours…

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If your mental health is being negatively affected, then I recommend a vacation or something

Doesn't understand basic english either.

Its fun seeing the leftists pull the same schtick expecting us to bite.

Ive seen no evidence of the atrocities in Iran, there is no evidence of election fraud, there is no evidence of fraud in MN, CA etc....

Of course there is no evidence in your world. You bury your heads in the sand and your "journalists" never leave the their air conditioned soap box unless its for a picture op to hurt Republicans.