you have to own working dogs and let them do what they bred for to truly understand that a dogs happiness/ health is directly tied to fulfilling their mission.Woods Ag said:
How do you stop this psychopath from hunting? He goes outside with me and trees squirrels starting at 5am while
I workout in the garage. He stands here all day eyeing the tree lines waiting for a squirrels, deer, turkey to show itself and depending on the noise that comes out of him I know exactly what it is.
He'd choose death over not hunting.
Say goodbye to hunting dogs
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these stupid sacks of horse **** cant pass the SAVE ACT, but they have plenty of time to come up with **** to ruin.
There was some drama on this in Vermont a few years ago. There's a YouTuber with a hobby farm where he raises poultry and runs a few cattle. He clearly makes more money from his online content than the farm.
He was running into repeated problems with hound hunters chasing bears onto his property and disturbing his livestock. As presented in his videos, it seems hound hunters have more rights when it comes to pursuing prey on private property than the property owners themselves in keeping them off. No trespassing signs alone do not suffice, and you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get your property declared off-limits before hunting season ever starts.
The guy clearly doesn't like hound hunting, which is his prerogative. He certainly did not pass up the opportunity to create content, but bottom line private property owners should be able to keep hound hunters and their dogs off their land.
He was running into repeated problems with hound hunters chasing bears onto his property and disturbing his livestock. As presented in his videos, it seems hound hunters have more rights when it comes to pursuing prey on private property than the property owners themselves in keeping them off. No trespassing signs alone do not suffice, and you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get your property declared off-limits before hunting season ever starts.
The guy clearly doesn't like hound hunting, which is his prerogative. He certainly did not pass up the opportunity to create content, but bottom line private property owners should be able to keep hound hunters and their dogs off their land.
It's getting to the point now with so many laws on the books, that we are all committing 10+ crimes a day that we don't even know we are committing.
MelvinUdall said:
It's getting to the point now with so many laws on the books, that we are all committing 10+ crimes a day that we don't even know we are committing.
When it comes to the sex (the non LGBTQXYZ kind), many have been committing those crimes for decades now. Our so I've heard.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
No Spin Ag said:MelvinUdall said:
It's getting to the point now with so many laws on the books, that we are all committing 10+ crimes a day that we don't even know we are committing.
When it comes to the sex (the non LGBTQXYZ kind), many have been committing those crimes for decades now. Our so I've heard.
Well played!
itsyourboypookie said:
Imagine if they knew about coyote hunting with greyhounds or hog dogs.
I had never heard of hog baying until last year when I went to a buddy's ranch in Orange Grove. He was having a problem with one monster hog tearing **** up and was good at being illusive. He brought in some locals that do hog baying as hobby. You could tell the dogs were already locked in when they got there. The whole process was nuts to watch!! They successfully got the hog too!!
Tergdor said:
The language of that bill makes it clear that it only applies to greyhounds moved interstate for the purpose of commercial greyhound racing. It's not a ban on working dogs.
Open field coursing and live lure training are also defined in that bill in how it relates to racing events. If people are that worried about it they can just amend it to slap "for the purposes of greyhound racing" at the end.
Well, that's cool. I didn't realize we could just slap language on bills we didn't like and go on about our business. I'll be amending Texas liquor laws for Sunday's and buying liquor on Sunday's now.
MelvinUdall said:
It's getting to the point now with so many laws on the books, that we are all committing 10+ crimes a day that we don't even know we are committing.
This is true and has been pointed out in a non-joking manner by law/policy makers
That's why it is no easy to weaponize the criminal justice system against political opponents or simply people you don't like
Criminal statutes accumulate, they rarely get repealed
I remember some politician, Republican I think, introducing proposed legislation that required 1 repeal for every addition. Of course, he did it to make a point, and it didn't go anywhere. But there is merit to the general idea
That dog won't...hunt?
Become ungovernable
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
Ad Lunam
Ad Lunam
My great pyr will continue to hunt daily. The opossums and squirrels have been warned.
BadMoonRisin said:
these stupid sacks of horse **** cant pass the SAVE ACT, but they have plenty of time to come up with **** to ruin.
They just can't help themselves. They get elected, get in on the take, then **** their brains out to come up with idiotic legislation like this.
Then again, someone mentioned this was the Deep State's way at getting back at Americans for wanting to dismantle their corrupt bureaucracy. This could be likely since the alternative is just flat out stupid!
Claude! said:
The text of HR 5017
The relevant part is probably Section 30(a)(3), which states:
"It shall be unlawful to conduct open field coursing or live lure training with the use of any bait that is not an inanimate object".
Just for clarity...
The "Farm Bill" in question is H.R.7567 - Farm, Food, and National Security Act of 2026.
The admendment is the full wording from H.R.5017 - Greyhound Protection Act of 2025.
Currently, that wording is not shown in the text for H.R.7567 on the Congress.gov website.
The purpose of H.R.5017 is to ban Greyhound racing nationwide. There are currently only 2 active tracks in the United States, both being in West Virginia.
The language in question is what Claude! posted above:
Quote:
(a) In general.It shall be unlawful
(3) to conduct open field coursing or live lure training with the use of any bait that is not an inanimate object;
"Open Field Coursing" is defined (basically) in the bill"
Quote:
(10) Open field coursing preceded commercial dog racing and is an activity in which greyhounds or other sighthounds are released to pursue and kill bait animals, including jack rabbits and hares, often in a fenced area. Greyhounds may collide and suffer injuries in the chase.
There is no language in the bill that outright bans hunting with a dog. The main concern is about training methods using live bait.
Several organizations have expressed public concern regarding "unintended conequences" on how that extends to hunting dogs:
1) American Kennel Club
2) Sportsmen's Alliance
3) International Association of Canine Professionals
My only question is how prevelent is the use of live bait training for hunting dogs today?
The questions might be how much greyhound racing is there in WV today. My understanding is the state ban in Florida pretty much killed the industry nationwide.
The bill hasn't passed yet. There's time to amend it. So yes, they can just slap additional language to the end.
The condition of open field coursing and live lure training is the only condition that doesn't already have the clarification (even though it doesn't really need it). The bill is already talking about them in the racing sense, open field coursing is a racing event that involves dogs chasing down live prey and it describes live lure training as dragging an animal to evoke a chase response.
The condition of open field coursing and live lure training is the only condition that doesn't already have the clarification (even though it doesn't really need it). The bill is already talking about them in the racing sense, open field coursing is a racing event that involves dogs chasing down live prey and it describes live lure training as dragging an animal to evoke a chase response.
How else do you train a bird dog without using birds?
In all honesty, gun dog training, hunt testing and field trials all use live birds. An advanced titled dog will be able to mark multiple birds and then retrieve them from memory.
It is fantastic watching a dog work in the field.
In all honesty, gun dog training, hunt testing and field trials all use live birds. An advanced titled dog will be able to mark multiple birds and then retrieve them from memory.
It is fantastic watching a dog work in the field.
"In order to form a more perfect nanny state"
92AG10 said:
How else do you train a bird dog without using birds?
I've only seen bird training done with dummies and bumpers for both pointers and retrievers.
How do you keep live birds from flying away during retriever training?
Also, does "live lure training" pertain to bird dogs? I'm ignorant regarding what this term means but from everything I can find it strictly pertains to race dogs and the use of ground mammels.
AgDad121619 said:Woods Ag said:
How do you stop this psychopath from hunting? He goes outside with me and trees squirrels starting at 5am while
I workout in the garage. He stands here all day eyeing the tree lines waiting for a squirrels, deer, turkey to show itself and depending on the noise that comes out of him I know exactly what it is.
He'd choose death over not hunting.
you have to own working dogs and let them do what they bred for to truly understand that a dogs happiness/ health is directly tied to fulfilling their mission.
LOl... and thats the kind of dog a lib would keep in his 14thh floor apartment.
MouthBQ98 said:
What jackass added that content to the bill?
Isn't it funny? We can seemingly never get a breakdown of what idiots slap what idiotic riders in bills.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
This is only on federal land, right?
"They weren't raiding a Girl Scout troop looking for overdue library books."
No. There is zero mention of federal lands. Its a Greyhound Racing Ban thats includes methods used to train Greyhounds with live lures (bait).909Ag2006 said:
This is only on federal land, right?
AtlAg05 said:
Addressing only the most important issues facing our nation.
...idk how they have time for this between all their insider trading and rapes.
This bill doesn't even have feelings if the dog doesn't identify as a hunting dog. Then you got all the horrid suffering inflicted upon dog that won't hunt that identifies as a hunting dog.
Post some pics of your pup. I have two cathoulas at the moment. Great dogs.
Tergdor said:
The language of that bill makes it clear that it only applies to greyhounds moved interstate for the purpose of commercial greyhound racing. It's not a ban on working dogs.
Open field coursing and live lure training are also defined in that bill in how it relates to racing events. If people are that worried about it they can just amend it to slap "for the purposes of greyhound racing" at the end.
Thank you for reading the bill and providing analysis.
That is why I come here for news.
The only thing that would make your post better would be a link to the actual text you are relying on.
BTKAG97 said:Quote:
(3) to conduct open field coursing or live lure training with the use of any bait that is not an inanimate object;
My only question is how prevelent is the use of live bait training for hunting dogs today?
Lots of use of frozen birds, but those are inanimate.
92AG10 said:
In all honesty, gun dog training, hunt testing and field trials all use live birds. An advanced titled dog will be able to mark multiple birds and then retrieve them from memory.
What is the difference between shooting a live bird for a dog to retrieve and "hunting"
Or do you somehow use live birds without shooting them?
BusterAg said:Tergdor said:
The language of that bill makes it clear that it only applies to greyhounds moved interstate for the purpose of commercial greyhound racing. It's not a ban on working dogs.
Open field coursing and live lure training are also defined in that bill in how it relates to racing events. If people are that worried about it they can just amend it to slap "for the purposes of greyhound racing" at the end.
Thank you for reading the bill and providing analysis.
That is why I come here for news.
The only thing that would make your post better would be a link to the actual text you are relying on.
Here you go... The "unlawful" or "banned practices" section is very short...
Quote:
SEC. 3. Protection of greyhounds.
(a) In general.The Animal Welfare Act (7 U.S.C. 2131 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following:
SEC. 30. Protection of greyhounds.
(a) In general. -- It shall be unlawful --
(1) for any person to knowingly engage in commercial greyhound racing, live lure training, or open field coursing events in which any greyhound is moved in interstate or foreign commerce;
(2) to conduct commercial greyhound racing or racing meeting where any form of betting or wagering on the speed or ability of greyhounds occurs;
(3) to conduct open field coursing or live lure training with the use of any bait that is not an inanimate object;
(4) to engage in or facilitate simulcast betting or wagering on greyhound races in interstate or foreign commerce; and
(5) for any person to knowingly sell, buy, possess, train, transport, deliver, or receive any greyhound for purposes of having the greyhound participate in commercial greyhound racing, live lure training, or open field coursing events.
MouthBQ98 said:
What jackass added that content to the bill?
Person name is Wayne Pacelle of Animal Wellness Action. Found the information from this site. https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/wayne-pacelle-hr5017-farm-bill-hunting-dog-ban/
Typical liberal beta male. Linkedin info
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
Decisions decisions.
The Ex Officio Director said:MouthBQ98 said:
What jackass added that content to the bill?
Person name is Wayne Pacelle of Animal Wellness Action. Found the information from this site. https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/wayne-pacelle-hr5017-farm-bill-hunting-dog-ban/
Typical liberal beta male. Linkedin info
Doesn't a Congressman have to sponsor/add this under their name?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
B-1 83 said:The Ex Officio Director said:MouthBQ98 said:
What jackass added that content to the bill?
Person name is Wayne Pacelle of Animal Wellness Action. Found the information from this site. https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/wayne-pacelle-hr5017-farm-bill-hunting-dog-ban/
Typical liberal beta male. Linkedin info
Doesn't a Congressman have to sponsor/add this under their name?
Sponsor: [url=https://www.congress.gov/member/salud-carbajal/C001112]Rep. Carbajal, Salud O. [D-CA-24][/url] (Introduced 08/22/2025)
Co-sponsors:[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/randy-fine/F000484]
Rep. Fine, Randy [R-FL-6]*[/url]
08/22/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/donald-davis/D000230]Rep. Davis, Donald G. [D-NC-1]*[/url]
08/22/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/zachary-nunn/N000193]Rep. Nunn, Zachary [R-IA-3]*[/url]
08/22/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/young-kim/K000397]Rep. Kim, Young [R-CA-40][/url]
09/02/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/david-scott/S001157]Rep. Scott, David [D-GA-13][/url]
09/02/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/jefferson-van-drew/V000133]Rep. Van Drew, Jefferson [R-NJ-2][/url]
09/02/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/sharice-davids/D000629]Rep. Davids, Sharice [D-KS-3][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/steve-cohen/C001068]Rep. Cohen, Steve [D-TN-9][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/claudia-tenney/T000478]Rep. Tenney, Claudia [R-NY-24][/url]
09/09/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/brian-fitzpatrick/F000466]Rep. Fitzpatrick, Brian K. [R-PA-1][/url]
09/10/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/shri-thanedar/T000488]Rep. Thanedar, Shri [D-MI-13][/url]
09/10/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/josh-gottheimer/G000583]Rep. Gottheimer, Josh [D-NJ-5][/url]
09/10/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/troy-nehls/N000026]Rep. Nehls, Troy E. [R-TX-22][/url]
09/10/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/janice-schakowsky/S001145]Rep. Schakowsky, Janice D. [D-IL-9][/url]
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11/25/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/maggie-goodlander/G000604]Rep. Goodlander, Maggie [D-NH-2][/url]
11/25/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/michael-lawler/L000599]Rep. Lawler, Michael [R-NY-17][/url]
11/25/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/jill-tokuda/T000487]Rep. Tokuda, Jill N. [D-HI-2][/url]
11/25/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/angie-craig/C001119]Rep. Craig, Angie [D-MN-2][/url]
12/09/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/vern-buchanan/B001260]Rep. Buchanan, Vern [R-FL-16][/url]
12/15/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/daniel-goldman/G000599]Rep. Goldman, Daniel S. [D-NY-10][/url]
12/15/2025
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/chellie-pingree/P000597]Rep. Pingree, Chellie [D-ME-1][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/nancy-mace/M000194]Rep. Mace, Nancy [R-SC-1][/url]
01/16/2026
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/bill-foster/F000454]Rep. Foster, Bill [D-IL-11][/url]
01/16/2026
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/anna-paulina-luna/L000596]Rep. Luna, Anna Paulina [R-FL-13][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/andrew-garbarino/G000597]Rep. Garbarino, Andrew R. [R-NY-2][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/luz-rivas/R000620]Rep. Rivas, Luz M. [D-CA-29][/url]
01/30/2026
[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/ilhan-omar/O000173]Rep. Omar, Ilhan [D-MN-5][/url]
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[url=https://www.congress.gov/member/jimmy-patronis/P000622]Rep. Patronis, Jimmy [R-FL-1][/url]
04/02/2026
B-1 83 said:The Ex Officio Director said:MouthBQ98 said:
What jackass added that content to the bill?
Person name is Wayne Pacelle of Animal Wellness Action. Found the information from this site. https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/wayne-pacelle-hr5017-farm-bill-hunting-dog-ban/
Typical liberal beta male. Linkedin info
Doesn't a Congressman have to sponsor/add this under their name?
Further research looks to be Congressman Salud Carbajal of California that amended the house bill. Google searching this clown, Pacelle is a heavy weight among animal rights activists.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
Decisions decisions.
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