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To defeat the donor fraud charges, they have to argue the informant program was legitimate intelligence work coordinated with federal law enforcement. Bryan Fair already said that on video on April 21st.
But the moment that's the defense, three new problems open:
Donors did not give money to fund FBI-coordinated intelligence operations. Class action exposure on the actual basis of the donor relationship.
501(c)(3) status doesn't cover serving as a federal intelligence contractor. Tax exemption becomes contestable.
Admitting FBI coordination validates exactly the Grassley-Patel-HJC finding that SPLC was feeding the FBI taxonomies used to target American religious communities.
The traditional escape hatch in a case like this is graymail. SPLC threatens to expose FBI coordination in discovery. DOJ backs off to protect FBI secrets.
Southern poverty law center charged by DOJ with fraud
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Would anyone really be shocked if we found out the FBI was involved in this corruption.
Swamp gonna swamp.
Swamp gonna swamp.
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Would anyone really be shocked if we found out the FBI was involved in this corruption.
Swamp gonna swamp.
If they were, it was secreted in that back room and kept off of the Sentinel system. But considering we are talking Charlottesville and the FBI did investigate that incident, my wager is a lot of missing 302s.
SPLC noose on NASCAR garage door for pennies. Bonus and SPLC employee of the month for that bit of racism.
It started a conversation!
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Would anyone really be shocked if we found out the FBI was involved in this corruption.
Swamp gonna swamp.
That's what Hawg's post is hinting toward in the last sentence with the greymail reference. The SPLC is/was hoping that all this would be kept quiet because it would, at the least, embarrass the FBI/"Justice" department. Patel is moving forward and clearly saying, "I don't care about all that." He's willing to take the hit. In fact, I think he wants to in order to clear out as much of the corruption as possible.
At least, that's what I'm hoping for. But I think there's strong evidence for that.
I think we've learned in the last year and a half that NOTHING the left does goes on without SOME form of government involvement -- over and above just funding.
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That's what Hawg's post is hinting toward in the last sentence with the greymail reference. The SPLC is/was hoping that all this would be kept quiet because it would, at the least, embarrass the FBI/"Justice" department. Patel is moving forward and clearly saying, "I don't care about all that." He's willing to take the hit. In fact, I think he wants to in order to clear out as much of the corruption as possible.
At least, that's what I'm hoping for. But I think there's strong evidence for that.
Yeah, I was referring to the shadow system Kash discovered when he took over for Wray. This issue goes back to Michael Flynn when Sidney Powell kept asking why there was a gap in the files listed in his case in the Sentinel system. Every FBI action is supposed to be put on that system. Every interview (302 notes of them), every electronic action taken, cell phone evidence, etc.
FBI does do some counter-intel stuff that is kept in the classified sections of Sentinel but it is still there. Need clearance to access it.
But Charlottesville was not counter intel. It was a criminal investigation. Keeping records out of that system would be a deliberate coverup, in my view.
Clarice Feldman (great journalist) has a good piece on this whole show;
About right. Again I'll just add my thought re: sentinel system etc. The FBI is and has been since it's inception under J Edgar Hoover too corrupt itself to be reformed/salvaged and America needs it to be legislatively abolished and replaced from the ground up.
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Except for the NY Post and CBS (now under Bari Weiss's leadership), there's been little coverage of this explosive indictment. I expect when they get around to reporting it, we'll get defense contentions, so let me deal with them preemptively.
[ol]The donors were fine with it. Then why did the SPLC create bank accounts in fake companies to channel the money to extremists? They were only paying "informants" to find out what these groups were up to. [/ol]Quote:
The biggest question of all raised by this case is the use of the term, "informants," which normally conjures images of people observing what the leaders of nefarious outfits are doing. But Justice says the payments were going to the "leaders" and the "organizers" of extremist groups in this case. If SPLC was funding influential leaders of such organizations, could they not have ordered them to steer the groups away from extremism? Were group leaders on the SPLC payroll ever instructed to try to persuade others to cancel events like the Charlottesville debacle?
The indictment describes money flows to various high-ranking people within various extremist outfits, and focuses on the various alleged falsehoods employed to conduct such financial transactions. There does appear to have been some intelligence collected by SPLC. But for all this money what exactly did the SPLC demand from the extremist leaders on its payroll in the way of combatting racism?
The criminal case is not the only matter SPLC should worry about. Donors who were misled can sue for refunds of their contributions. (Clooney, who didn't notice Biden's dementia until days after he urged his Hollywood friends to contribute to Biden's reelection, has an established record of cluelessness, but I doubt he will sue for a refund.) Also, the many people and organizations slandered by SPLC, whose livelihoods and lives were endangered as a result, should line up to sue for damages.
Much as I salute the SPLC's mastering the art of venture capitalism, I think the art is best applied to products and services that improve lives rather than those that fracture society and endanger the innocent.
About right. Again I'll just add my thought re: sentinel system etc. The FBI is and has been since it's inception under J Edgar Hoover too corrupt itself to be reformed/salvaged and America needs it to be legislatively abolished and replaced from the ground up.
nortex97 said:
Clarice Feldman (great journalist) has a good piece on this whole show;Quote:
Except for the NY Post and CBS (now under Bari Weiss's leadership), there's been little coverage of this explosive indictment. I expect when they get around to reporting it, we'll get defense contentions, so let me deal with them preemptively.
[ol]The donors were fine with it. Then why did the SPLC create bank accounts in fake companies to channel the money to extremists? They were only paying "informants" to find out what these groups were up to. [/ol]Quote:
The biggest question of all raised by this case is the use of the term, "informants," which normally conjures images of people observing what the leaders of nefarious outfits are doing. But Justice says the payments were going to the "leaders" and the "organizers" of extremist groups in this case. If SPLC was funding influential leaders of such organizations, could they not have ordered them to steer the groups away from extremism? Were group leaders on the SPLC payroll ever instructed to try to persuade others to cancel events like the Charlottesville debacle?
The indictment describes money flows to various high-ranking people within various extremist outfits, and focuses on the various alleged falsehoods employed to conduct such financial transactions. There does appear to have been some intelligence collected by SPLC. But for all this money what exactly did the SPLC demand from the extremist leaders on its payroll in the way of combatting racism?
The criminal case is not the only matter SPLC should worry about. Donors who were misled can sue for refunds of their contributions. (Clooney, who didn't notice Biden's dementia until days after he urged his Hollywood friends to contribute to Biden's reelection, has an established record of cluelessness, but I doubt he will sue for a refund.) Also, the many people and organizations slandered by SPLC, whose livelihoods and lives were endangered as a result, should line up to sue for damages.
Much as I salute the SPLC's mastering the art of venture capitalism, I think the art is best applied to products and services that improve lives rather than those that fracture society and endanger the innocent.
About right. Again I'll just add my thought re: sentinel system etc. The FBI is and has been since it's inception under J Edgar Hoover too corrupt itself to be reformed/salvaged and America needs it to be legislatively abolished and replaced from the ground up.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
SPLC is asking a judge to enforce rules against out-of-court statements, saying Todd Blanche falsely claimed that the group didn't share informant info with law enforcement. The group is also asking for access to grand jury transcripts. https://t.co/JIGYGAlr8E pic.twitter.com/QXLFOOXJre
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) April 28, 2026
The SPLC disclosed today that it's former informant "F-9"--who was a member of the National Alliance and worked for the SPLC for 20 years--has now flipped and is a witness for the DOJ.
— Ken Silva (@JD_Cashless) April 28, 2026
The SPLC has accused F-9 of being biased. The reasons for this are redacted. https://t.co/ABb1fUbODQ pic.twitter.com/adbFKc0A94
So paying people $ to commit crimes is a problem? I thought this was America.
Leftists have no moral bounds. They'll be right along to defend this once the talking points have been posted.
Andrew Weissman of course mouthed off about this, and Shipley did a great job absolutely slaughtering the guy at his substack (much can be viewed without subscribing), going through his history with Arthur Anderson, and then having his career salvaged by the contemptible 'honest bob' Mueller.
A stain on the legal community if ever there was one.
TLDR: Weissman's points about the SPLC indictment are largely incorrect as to the law. Much more at the link (again, does not require a subscription).
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Weissmann pressed the theory that a criminal conviction for document destruction could stand even when the entity engaging in the destruction had not been subpoenaed and no actual investigation had yet been started.
He was reversed 9-0 but 85,000 people still lost their jobs and a Big Five accounting firm disappeared because of him.
His LEGAL CAREER should have ended after that not just his DOJ career. But, as I noted, Mueller saved him. Don't ask me why.
I hate to give "Just Security" a link, but Weissmann has now penned an article there in which he criticizes of the SPLC indictment, using as an "appeal to authority" his time as "head of the DOJ Fraud Section, overseeing the Department's largest group of financial crime and fraud prosecutors from 2015-2019."
Funny thing is, I remember him as a member of the Mueller Special Counsel Office starting in May 2017. It disbanded in May 2019 under pressure from Attorney General Barr to wrap up its work and Weissmann headed off to NYU Law School to join the faculty.
A stain on the legal community if ever there was one.
— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) May 1, 2026
TLDR: Weissman's points about the SPLC indictment are largely incorrect as to the law. Much more at the link (again, does not require a subscription).
BREAKING. 🚨
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) May 4, 2026
The Florida Attorney General has launched a CIVIL INVESTIGATION into the Southern Poverty Law Center, issuing subpoenas as part of a probe into the organization’s activities.
According to the Florida Attorney General’s Office, the subpoenas seek documents and… pic.twitter.com/EJZZF2TGvo
Annnnnnnd away we go!!
— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) May 4, 2026
Charities are regulated by the AGs of all 50 states since they raise tax-deductible money in all 50 states.
So, this is likely the first of MANY AG investigations into civil violations of state tax codes.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we… https://t.co/3iD1VFMsyk
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
Attn: Ken Paxton: per the Florida investigation Will25u posted.
LMCane said:
Can we go back and discuss now how Nazi Candace Owens, Ian Carroll and tiny gay Mexican Nick Fuentes are all part of this SPLC pay for faking scandal?
It was all a Democrat psyop, including of course Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes was an agitator in Charlottesville and an instigator on J6.
— Kentucky Girl (@Notwokenow) May 6, 2026
He has now admitted that he is a Democrat.
Do you get it? It was all staged. pic.twitter.com/MHn2kftoIA
Charlottesville, J6, tiki torch marchers, Fuentes, SPLC, 'neo nazis,' Whitmer Fednapping, russiagate, all of it was just color revolution BS by Democrats and their operatives within and without the US Gov't.
This is totally unpossible. No one could've predicted this!
Haven't seen those Patriot Front clowns out and about in awhile.
nortex97 said:LMCane said:
Can we go back and discuss now how Nazi Candace Owens, Ian Carroll and tiny gay Mexican Nick Fuentes are all part of this SPLC pay for faking scandal?
It was all a Democrat psyop, including of course Fuentes.Nick Fuentes was an agitator in Charlottesville and an instigator on J6.
— Kentucky Girl (@Notwokenow) May 6, 2026
He has now admitted that he is a Democrat.
Do you get it? It was all staged. pic.twitter.com/MHn2kftoIA
Charlottesville, J6, tiki torch marchers, Fuentes, SPLC, 'neo nazis,' Whitmer Fednapping, russiagate, all of it was just color revolution BS by Democrats and their operatives within and without the US Gov't.
And the Democrat lemmings on here continue to buy it.
Useful idiots
CAIR is also now losing in court, finally.
Same stuff as SPLC about paying campus rioters and taking foreign (terrorist) funds.
Same stuff as SPLC about paying campus rioters and taking foreign (terrorist) funds.
CAIR was paying students $1000 who vandalized buildings, assaulted students, and shut down classes.
— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) May 7, 2026
Gavin Newsom just handed them $42 million in taxpayer dollars to keep funding it. pic.twitter.com/twDFBKguZu
🚨 BREAKING - CAIR IS PANICKING!
— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) May 6, 2026
Federal Court SLAMS CAIR - Forces Them to Expose Foreign Donors, Nihad Awad’s Secret Trips, & Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood Ties!
In a MASSIVE victory for transparency and national security, U.S. District Judge Alan D. Albright just ordered CAIR… https://t.co/8X5vbjXSha
deddog said:nortex97 said:LMCane said:
Can we go back and discuss now how Nazi Candace Owens, Ian Carroll and tiny gay Mexican Nick Fuentes are all part of this SPLC pay for faking scandal?
It was all a Democrat psyop, including of course Fuentes.Nick Fuentes was an agitator in Charlottesville and an instigator on J6.
— Kentucky Girl (@Notwokenow) May 6, 2026
He has now admitted that he is a Democrat.
Do you get it? It was all staged. pic.twitter.com/MHn2kftoIA
Charlottesville, J6, tiki torch marchers, Fuentes, SPLC, 'neo nazis,' Whitmer Fednapping, russiagate, all of it was just color revolution BS by Democrats and their operatives within and without the US Gov't.
And the Democrat lemmings on here continue to buy it.
Useful idiots
Brainwashed into thinking they are making a difference to the downtrodden, while in fact they are helping rich liberals and foreigners become more rich and powerful. They got jobs for young liberal college grads- it's on the end of a shovel, and for the girls, they will become communist brood mares.
Southern Poverty Law Center has pleaded NOT GUILTY to the federal criminal case filed by Trump Administration in Alabama.
— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) May 7, 2026
Attorneys -- including Abbe Lowell - are representing the organization.
Long, slow slog ahead
Abbe Lowell is now the Ben Crump for criminal Democrats, I guess.
aggiehawg said:
Abbe Lowell is now the Ben Crump for criminal Democrats, I guess.
Lowell is unethical? No way.
bobbranco said:aggiehawg said:
Abbe Lowell is now the Ben Crump for criminal Democrats, I guess.
Lowell is unethical? No way.
Even better, he loses most of his cases. He royally screwed up Hunter Biden's plea deal forcing Joe to give Hunter a pardon.
BadMoonRisin said:
Haven't seen those Patriot Front clowns out and about in awhile.
I remember posting here at the time, be a shame if some TDS person rammed a Prius into the Patriot Front guys. We'd find out in a hurry who they were then. Of course they all probably drove home or back to FBI headquarters in their own Priuses.
SPLC or not, does anyone REALLY believe the Patriot Front was real and not a Federal LEO false flag group to push a narrative?!?!?!?!!!!!
They are bussed in if I recall correctly.
IIRC, someone caught them being dropped off from the back of Uhaul box trucks at some protest. I can't find a link to that but I seem to recall that happening.
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