World Cup tourists aren't leaving tips

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infinity ag said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."




OP clearly just wants more money to go directly to the CEOs and not to the workers.


I want the CEO to pay the workers a fair wage. Not skimp and cheat/screw customers into paying their employees.

That's hilarious because your comments sound a lot like a CEO would.
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A tip should not ever be an expectation! It is supposed to be a voluntary payment by a customer who deems that he/she has received good or great service and therefore wants to reward the service provider.

That is not what the "tip" is for now-a-days. It is an expectation by the service provider regardless of quality of service. I love how Uber Eats has you provide tip before even receiving any service. What a joke!
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I tip way too socialistically. Too much for mediocre service. Not enough for good service.

And way too much for bad service.

The Hubs and I don't travel nor eat out as much as we used to. But when we were going to bowl games or other trips and ate out, we were the great couple making jokes, laughing and having fun. When a waiter was getting into having fun with us? Back and forth? Big tips came out.

We were at this steak place in Hot Springs called "The Back Porch" back in 2008. The Hubs had a Cowboy Cut steak that was the best steak he had ever had. Our waitress was a hoot and was just interracting with us constantly. We were seated out on a deck on the water and everyone else on the deck was entertained by our banter with her and each other. People were coming over to say they really had a great time watching and listening to us. The Hubs had his fire department T-shirt on, so that might have been a part of it but anyway.

So we finished the meal and the waitress asked us if we wanted an after dinner wine. I said, "Give us a minute,"

When she came back, "Want to hear our after dinner wine? WHERE'S OUR DRINK?" We said loudly and unison. Entire deck is laughing. The Hubs asks the waitress if the chef who cooked his steak could come out for a second so he could thank him? Chef comes out followed by a lot of the cooking staff since we were the sensation at that point.

At the end of the evening, total tab with drinks was $140. The Hubs tipped $100. Waitress has her jaw drop. The Hubs tells her, "Great food. My wife and I had a wonderful time and when my wife is laughing that much and having fun, I'm very happy too."

Few years later, we were at the Cotton Bowl to watch JFF against Oklahoma. Night before the game, we were at an Italian restaurant across the parking lot from our hotel. We had a male waiter that time. We probably three bottles of wine that night. Having fun with the waiter and again, other patrons were having fun just listening to us banter with him.

TBH, neither one us even remember what we ordered, just that the food was good and we had a great time. The Hubs tipped a hundred anyway. Now the only way to end the 2012 Cotton Bowl story is to say this.

Thanks to the Good Lord that game didn't start until six PM that night because both of us were absolutely wrecked. We drank a couple of Monster Drinks to get ready for the game.

Then we had asked the desk to call us a cab because we didn't not want to drive to JerryWorld. Remember we are hungover as hell, Hyped on energy drinks. We get three bocks, three blocks! from out hotel and he pulls out into oncoming traffic. My side about to get T-boned. He managed to avoid that while working two Iphones texting alternating with is hand on the wheel. Bangaldeshi.

He knew we were going to JerryWorld. And then we are seeing chickens and goats and farm animals. In Arlington? "Bahhk way, trust me."

We actually do get somewhat close to JerryWorld when he stops and tells us to get out a half mile away, and to call him for the pickup when the game was over. The Hubs handed him the fare, no tip and tells him, "When hell freezes over.We aren't walking that far for you."
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Also, Americans tend to go overseas and "tip generously" thinking they are doing others a favor. But all it does is ruin things as the waiters then neglect locals to cater to the money-throwing Americans. We don't follow their customs on tip, why should they follow ours?


Isn't it amazing how service improves when a "tip" is given.

It is a well known fact that service in European countries is atrocious due to that waiters and servers will get paid whether they serve or not.
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Im Gipper said:

Quote:

My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."



I did, too. Now, considering the OP, nothing should be considered shocking but this is pretty high up in the "Terrible Takes" category. Completely absurd.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
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If it's not the CEO's or H-1B's it's the got damn servers and waitresses!!
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infinity ag said:

My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.
A tip is a gift for good service, it is not an entitlement or a right. Whether "server relies on tips to survive" is of no concern to the customer, they are only on the hook to pay the listed food/drink price plus tax and a service charge if it is displayed upfront. And if the server is unhappy, they can go find another job like we all are told to do if we are not happy with our salaries - waiters aren't special creatures. And if a server says "if you cannot afford tip, you cannot afford to eat out" is the most ridiculous and dumb thing to say because if people stop eating out, their tips and salaries go down to zero as their employer goes out of business. So don't diss your customers.


I almost never agree with you but other than the socialist part, I feel exactly as you state.
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Did Turkey's goalie just have a heart attack mid game and recover?
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Im Gipper said:

Quote:

My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."




Same here. The first and second sentences, in the OP are contradictory to the third.
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Slicer97 said:

BonfireNerd04 said:

A good steak might be $13.99 on the menu,

Dude, it's 2026, not 1983.


That was intentional. Because the whole premise of my hypothetical is that the customers pay all of the labor costs involved, not just the waiter. So menu prices would be deceptively low, but after you tip your waiter, cook, other restaurant staff, delivery truck driver, and rancher, you're paying $60 for the steak. It's supposed to be absurd.
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hsjnlssmith89 said:

A tip should not ever be an expectation! It is supposed to be a voluntary payment by a customer who deems that he/she has received good or great service and therefore wants to reward the service provider.

That is not what the "tip" is for now-a-days. It is an expectation by the service provider regardless of quality of service. I love how Uber Eats has you provide tip before even receiving any service. What a joke!


Exactly! Tipping may have started as an optional reward for exceptionally good service, but it became an expectation, and scam by the restaurant industry to guilt-trip customers into paying their waitstaff's wages so they didn't have to.

And it's gotten more annoying in recent years because restaurants that don't even have table service still have credit-card readers that prompt for tips for default.
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I have no real views on this topic other than entitlement is a real problem in our country

I look at tipping as if you're blessed if you're blessed give back to people that help you but with the price of food going up so much yeah just because two hamburgers and two french fries May cost you 50 bucks today I don't think you need 10 bucks for that service

Days were a waitress was hustling her ass off feeling your tea up and getting you a new picture of beer every 10 minutes back to school style I could see 20% being reasonable tip or 25%

Honestly 10% should be plenty of a good tip it's enough for God

Be out of control because of the prices of food just because a state caution now $75 instead of $35 getting a $15 tip for bringing out one steak no I don't think that's right you're not doing any more work but who knows I'm sure I'm not a waiter either
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Daddy said:

I have no real views on this topic other than entitlement is a real problem in our country

I look at tipping as if you're blessed if you're blessed give back to people that help you but with the price of food going up so much yeah just because two hamburgers and two french fries May cost you 50 bucks today I don't think you need 10 bucks for that service

Days were a waitress was hustling her ass off feeling your tea up and getting you a new picture of beer every 10 minutes back to school style I could see 20% being reasonable tip or 25%

Honestly 10% should be plenty of a good tip it's enough for God

Be out of control because of the prices of food just because a state caution now $75 instead of $35 getting a $15 tip for bringing out one steak no I don't think that's right you're not doing any more work but who knows I'm sure I'm not a waiter either

I know, right!? I tipped a waitress, once, just to leave us alone. Told her that her work at our table was done. Just couldn't handle her oohing and aahing while sliding her hand up and down my glass of tea. My wife and I with puzzled looks on our faces. "Why does she think we need all these pictures of beer?"
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I've adopted a new mantra. My wife hates it because she cares deeply what others think of her.

Really good service at a nice, sit down restaurant? 20% tip on the pre tax amount.

Every other sales encounter? Nothing.
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I'm as a big a capitalist as there is but the vast majority of servers work for less than minimum wage, making up the difference on tips. So we either continue this practice or the various restaurants will add the tip to the bill. I don't like that because if the service sucks, I write on the check "crappy service" and the server winds up with 0 to less than 10%. It's a rarity but it's happened.
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Lots of CINOs here. (Capitalist In Name Only).

Fake capitalist:
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I am a big believer in capitalism!


Also fake capitalist
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The poor server relies on tips since he gets paid $2/hr so he must be tipped 25%. People who cannot afford tips also should not eat at restaurants.


The same fake capitalist
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Homeless Steve may live under a bridge, but we must tax the money he makes from begging... else how else would he have skin in the game?

Also, the same fake capitalist
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Taxing billionaires is a ridiculous idea. Why should success be taxed? Even if you taxed Musk, we would pay off only 0.000000000000000001% of the federal debt.

Exposing Hypocrisy - one CEO at a time
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BonfireNerd04 said:

hsjnlssmith89 said:

A tip should not ever be an expectation! It is supposed to be a voluntary payment by a customer who deems that he/she has received good or great service and therefore wants to reward the service provider.

That is not what the "tip" is for now-a-days. It is an expectation by the service provider regardless of quality of service. I love how Uber Eats has you provide tip before even receiving any service. What a joke!


Exactly! Tipping may have started as an optional reward for exceptionally good service, but it became an expectation, and scam by the restaurant industry to guilt-trip customers into paying their waitstaff's wages so they didn't have to.

And it's gotten more annoying in recent years because restaurants that don't even have table service still have credit-card readers that prompt for tips for default.


Exactly and thank you.

Good to see a few sensible and posters speak up on this topic.

Ultimately all roads lead to bad CEOs (in this case the CEO is the restaurant owner).
Exposing Hypocrisy - one CEO at a time
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infinity ag said:

Lots of CINOs here. (Capitalist In Name Only).


With all due respect, you are pretty clueless on thr basic meaning of words. Are you ESL by chance? I find that sometimes these people have good intentions, but can't get the right words out to explain what they're saying
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Can you show me where anyone said rich shouldn't be taxed and homeless Steve should? I have seen people saying everyone pay a flat tax but haven't seen anyone say only poor should be taxed and not the rich. Very strange but I am sure you have seen it somewhere so you can put the link in.
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Like myself, my wife worked her way through school. She was a waitress at $1.75/hour when the minimum wage was $5.15 an hour. So we either continue this practice or restaurants will need to add the tip to the bill or increase the menu prices. I don't know about every restaurant but Cheddar's pays an average of $2.13 an hour. But federal law now requires employers to ensure that total hourly earnings (base pay plus tips) meet or exceed the standard minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. Total pay based on 2080 hours would be $15k a year. That doesn't pay the bills.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Tipping is very much American. In most of the rest of the world, it is more factored into your cost or bill. They have a different wage structure that accounts for no tipping.

Sure, but every time I've gone to Europe I've been well aware of this. The Europeans here for over a month for the world cup aren't the poorest of their lot, and have access to this algore internet thing too (at least while they are here). They can/should have figured this out pretty darn quickly, imho.
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Aggrad08 said:

Hardcore Greg said:

PDEMDHC said:

Most countries around the world don't tip.

Next thread

And they have horrible service and rude servers and there is ZERO urgency for them to wait on you or serve your food or bring the check.

Yall would be begging to go back to tipping, trust me.


Been a lot of places. I get pretty similar service and not 20% extra. They are still being evaluated by a boss, just like the cook.

At these other places, is the food not more expensive since they have to pay more in wages as a result of no tipping?

Everyone I know who has traveled around Europe makes it sound like the service sucks, wait staff is generally rude, you get a few ounces of warm water that you have to pay for, and the food is pricey...and generally pretty mediocre (further evidenced by videos of all of these european travelers raving about even our fast food).

Also, keep in mind that some euro waiter giving you good service is likely doing so because he knows many Americans tip in Europe bc they don't know better, or just can;t shake their programming.
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Prices are generally still lower even before taxes and tips here in the US. They do charge you for water or bread or chips ect that are often free in the US, and the portions are smaller. Quality varies and the US just kicks everyone's ass when it comes to variety.
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And we don't make things like tomato sandwiches.
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I haven't read the full thread since early yesterday...
Boston bartender seems happy with her tips from the Scots... Video should be starting at the 3:10 point right before her segment

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Would love to see a major declines in tipping culture
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Reload8098 said:

Total pay based on 2080 hours would be $15k a year. That doesn't pay the bills.

It's not meant to.
 
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